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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Gojo’s first wincon was UV, if he managed to successfully put Sukuna there, the fight would be over, Sukuna expected this so he used Mahoraga to get rid of UV, its why after that Gojo said "Im glad to see you fighting desperately" and Sukuna replied by "not as desperate as you"

After UV was removed, Gojo wanted to finish Sukuna with red, it worked and Sukuna was knocked out for a few pages, what Gojo didnt expect is that the fact the adaptation was gradual, which means red can no longer finish Mahoraga, so he had to use purple
EldemadeDityjon said:
Btw Sukuna who fought Yuta had Yuta's level of CE.
Yuta > Gojo in CE storage
Did Gojo's CE pool just increased here because of Black Flashes?
Gojo > Weakened Sukuna's CE pool
Weakened Sukuna CE pool ~ Yuta
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iirc this was a mistranslation by TCB which they fixed a day or 2 after, Viz and Shishiso team translated it as "its because its made from my CE" or sth like this
 
I'm not in favour of ftl jjk off available information but that's a very poor counter
There are a bunch of reasons why he may have decided to use a sound based attack.
Range, AP, etc
Backed up by the fact that he's been blitzing Piercing Blood like every chapter since then
Plus the fact that a sound based attack is not limited to mach 1 in a setting with magical powers
We have MFTL+ lasers on this site
Mach 1 is used as a default as that's the lowest a sound based attack should be

Guacamolefletcher said:
You can’t prove what this is. What we do know is Kashimo saw attacking him with Sonic attacks as a good idea
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By the eos im expecting jjk to be hypersonic to massively hypersonic with possibly relativistic reaction speeds
Which isnt bad given that they would still be able to fight persons who can amp their atk speed in fight(unless it gets to some big ahh speed)
 
If these translations are correct, Gojo is saying that for him since he has the 6 eyes, the explanation of bfs isnt enough, when you imbue your fist with a CE and strike, the CE is divided into 3 parts, CE that strengthens your punch, CE that hits the opponent, CE that do both, sorcerers cant manipulate all these 3 so for them the usual BF explanation is fine, but Gojo says he's the only one capable of manipulating the 3 parts, so he should be able to use BF at will, but even when he goes all out he can't, so there are other conditions behind it, he then theorises that the state of your body, your opponent CE, temperature and humidity all might have a role in activating BFs
 
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YukaSama4 said:
iirc this was a mistranslation by TCB which they fixed a day or 2 after, Viz and Shishiso team translated it as "its because its made from my CE" or sth like this
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You have the translation? Jonhy boy is not trust worthy at this point
Also @Arkenis did checked raws and it was shown as CE pool if I remember correctly
 
YukaSama4 said:
It doesnt need to say he recovered his output completely, he recovered his lost output meaning his output isnt lower anymore
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Yeah lost output to make rct workable. Nothing about being at full power here. Not sure why you missed that.


YukaSama4 said:
Its true that Sukuna’s output was low, however his CE is still high enough, his CE at that time should be still higher than Yuta who has higher CE than Gojo, and he actually was at death’s door after that HP, he was ~ Kashimo whos on Hakari’s level who cant take even one punch from Gojo, so if Sukuna didnt have the new dismantle, didnt have a way to fix his body, Gojo wouldve probbaly finished him off in 2 pages after that moment, its the reason Kusakabe said Gojo has won the fight.
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It being higher than Yuta's doesn't matter when he's bound to just die right there. CE reserves do little if your ce output is so trash, like Sukuna's is.
Furthermore if Sukuna's ce output is that low. to where he can't use rct properly (not enough output for rct), then the Mahoraga he summoned is most likely close to the level of Untamed Shibuya Maho who is confirmed 3f level 😭
So yeah, Mahoraga is getting turned into blood mist from that BF punch, if his output is back fully, like you assume it to be. That big gap is putting holes in the idea that he's at fp.

Hakari and Yuta can't even take that hit from that gojo who wasn't even serious in punching. (then there's the argument to be made that he didn't remove his blindfold in order to allow his six eyes to operate at full power/normal level versus blindfolded gojo)

Yeah but you're not getting the point that if Sukuna's output is just that bad, to where he's quite literal multiple fingers below, then he's simply just not surviving that HP, let alone a regular red. Take for example their first domain battle. Gojo was constantly being wounded by slashes, and any of his techniques being used in a domain, especially as powerful as Sukuna's, will be nerfed. Ontop of that, Sukuna was buffed by his domain. Yet one red wounded him hefty. That's quite telling about the gap between these two. I think you get the point that this Sukuna would instantly get blitzed and die if gojo was truly at full power.


YukaSama4 said:
"Gojo has recovered the output that he lost" means his output was at full power there, lets assume he lost 40% of his output, after the 2nd bf he regained the lost output meaning he regained those 40% back.
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? BF's don't stack continuously with more "20% shtick. That's just never stated if that's what you're going with. And how much it can help improve your Ce control is kinda negligible at a certain point when you reach gojo and sukuna level. It does help you recover your output, sure, but it's not like that big of a increase like you're putting it to be. And again, the idea of him being at full power here is quite contradicting to the narrative. He only recovered the output necessary to use rct properly. Nothing more. Nothing saying he is at full power or Sukuna is.

And if you think full power gojo is going to get caught off guard by a Hakari level character who is near death, then I'm curious as to why you think so. Becuase the CE spark, and every other action from Sukuna, will be easily detected by gojo, and perceived extremely slowly. Especially given the fact that Gojo can analyze how the CE spark is exactly the same as the one Mahoraga sent against Gojo, which Gojo has seen. And can also analyze Sukuna trying to use his ct to send out world slash, and understand that it will cut through him.

Are you getting what I mean? Sukuna would be multiple tiers below Gojo if he is at such level of power near death, compared to the gojo who is several tiers above. The world slash simply won't even succeed in hitting gojo at all with how slow it would be with that low level output.

So the more consistent and sensible interpretation would be that he simply just hasn't reached full power yet, and thus, gojo and sukuna don't have a multiple tiers gap between them. Otherwise Sukuna would simply just die from that HP if his output is that extremely low whereas Gojo is ""FP""
 
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How do people think Sukuna is at 120% just cause of BF?
That makes no sense, he's nowhere near even 100%, he's closer to the ~10% output back at 214 if anything arguably worse.
Also where does the idea the 120% thing stacks even come from?
 
Shey said:
Also where does the idea the 120% thing stacks even come from?
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People think 20% after 20% stacks on and on for some reason. Even then, the benefits given by BF may not be that much of a help for those at a very high level of jujutsu and ce control like gojo and Sukuna. The "manipulating ce becomes as natural as breathing" isn't that well impressive for those that have already hit BF, or have a very high level of ce control to begin with. It does help you in getting into the zone to have a higher focus, and can help fix your CE output (so control) if you're nerfed like gojo and sukuna, but it doesn't seem to have a drastically big impact on these two when comparing it to their FP.
 
Sakamaki_Fuji said:
No the hell he is not
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Yet 15F Sukuna with less than 10% CE output clobbered Maki and got her hurt and spitting out blood?
current Sukuna should be on that level like Shey said, otherwise fp sukuna just one shots Maki to blood mist if you think he's very close to fp or at it (or beyond fp)

Have yall ever wondered as to why Kenny (Kenjaku) just never tried to tame Mahoraga, whatsoever. And he has the means to just grab the 10S CT if he wants. He hates the six eyes users, and Maho is easily a really good counter to them, given how he's the Opp for the gojo clan. He has lots of means and tools on his hands to try and attempt trying to achieve control of Mahoraga. Kenny isn't stupid. So why?

The answer is simple. Mahoraga is just too strong. So if Mahoraga is too strong then what does that say for the heavy hitters who can't go 1v1 with Kenny in a conventional way? I think the answer is obvious here.
 
TheGunsFinalWrath said:
Yet 15F Sukuna with less than 10% CE output clobbered Maki and got her hurt and spitting out blood?
current Sukuna should be on that level like Shey said, otherwise fp sukuna just one shots Maki to blood mist if you think he's very close to fp or at it (or beyond fp)

Have yall ever wondered as to why Kenny (Kenjaku) just never tried to tame Mahoraga, whatsoever. And he has the means to just grab the 10S CT if he wants. He hates the six eyes users, and Maho is easily a really good counter to them, given how he's the Opp for the gojo clan. He has lots of means and tools on his hands to try and attempt trying to achieve control of Mahoraga. Kenny isn't stupid. So why?

The answer is simple. Mahoraga is just too strong. So if Mahoraga is too strong then what does that say for the heavy hitters who can't go 1v1 with Kenny in a conventional way? I think the answer is obvious here.
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I think he is saying that, that sukuna should be weaker than the current one (in output at least) and I agree with that, cuse that sukuna at 10% was equal to slightly above maki.

Current sukuna has outright blitzed maki and clobbered her a number of times at this point (with a single arm no less), doesn't mean he is anywhere close to being at 100% or 120%, he is likely closer to like 20-30% of his FP
 
TheGunsFinalWrath said:
Yet 15F Sukuna with less than 10% CE output clobbered Maki and got her hurt and spitting out blood?
current Sukuna should be on that level like Shey said, otherwise fp sukuna just one shots Maki to blood mist if you think he's very close to fp or at it (or beyond fp)

Have yall ever wondered as to why Kenny (Kenjaku) just never tried to tame Mahoraga, whatsoever. And he has the means to just grab the 10S CT if he wants. He hates the six eyes users, and Maho is easily a really good counter to them, given how he's the Opp for the gojo clan. He has lots of means and tools on his hands to try and attempt trying to achieve control of Mahoraga. Kenny isn't stupid. So why?

The answer is simple. Mahoraga is just too strong. So if Mahoraga is too strong then what does that say for the heavy hitters who can't go 1v1 with Kenny in a conventional way? I think the answer is obvious here.
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I dont want to sound rude but thats a lot of headcanons. There is no way that 1 finger Sukuna is doing alat. Unless you also think that 1f sukuna can tank hits from someone relative to CT less Gojo
 
Shey said:
I didn't say that, I said he's closer to that state than an impractical 120%
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you should word it better next time, saying "he's closer to the ~10% output back at 214 if anything arguably worse"
comes off as you saying he is currently weaker than the 10% of 15F which he sure as hell isn't.
 
Sir_sun_man said:
I think he is saying that, that sukuna should be weaker than the current one (in output at least) and I agree with that, cuse that sukuna at 10% was equal to slightly above maki.

Current sukuna has outright blitzed maki and clobbered her a number of times at this point (with a single arm no less), doesn't mean he is anywhere close to being at 100% or 120%, he is likely closer to like 20-30% of his FP
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didn't 215 Sukuna also handle yuji and maki trying to barrage him, crouch down, flow his ce to his ct, activate it and make spider cleave, all whilst Maki and Yuji were in midst swing motion?
feels like that was a near blitz there.
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maki despite those keen senses didn't seem to be able to react in time to stop Sukuna from activating cleave there. Sukuna also says less than 10% output is enough to comfortably slaughter Yuji too. while Yuji isn't Maki level, they're kinda in the same ballpark stat wise.

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TheGunsFinalWrath said:
didn't 215 Sukuna also handle yuji and maki trying to barrage him, crouch down, flow his ce to his ct, activate it and make spider cleave, all whilst Maki and Yuji were in midst swing motion?
feels like that was a near blitz there.
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and maki despite those keen senses didn't seem to be able to react in time to stop Sukuna from activating cleave there. Sukuna also says less than 10% output is enough to comfortably slaughter Yuji too. while Yuji isn't Maki level, they're kinda in the same ballpark stat wise.

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well maki was holding back her speed for yuji to keep up but that's not much the point.

The main thing is that current sukuna is running everyones pockets while only with 1 functional arm, he blitzed maki hardcore, full on preception blitz, while the 215 fight he was faster and stronger but not quite to that level and also current yuji should be massively over the yuji in 215 due to the death paintings he ate, those alone should bump him up by 3-4 fingers worth of power (CE that is, not actual sukuna levels) and he is was getting his pockets ran while in a 5v1 anyway.


Current sukuna should still be substentially above the 10% 15F sukuna, like he is nowhere near 120% of his full power (like some claim) but he is at least 20% of his FP right now.
 
Sir_sun_man said:
you should word it better next time, saying "he's closer to the ~10% output back at 214 if anything arguably worse"
comes off as you saying he is currently weaker than the 10% of 15F which he sure as hell isn't.
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Arguably so, he's physically mutilated, missing his heart which already weakens him as implied from the detention center, his Output weakened from his extensive battle with Gojo, multiple blows from Yuji who weakens his output and reduces his control over the body.
 
Shey said:
Arguably so, he's physically mutilated, missing his heart which already weakens him as implied from the detention center, his Output weakened from his extensive battle with Gojo, multiple blows from Yuji who weakens his output and reduces his control over the body.
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you also forgot that he hit 4 straight BF's back to back, his output while nowhere near 100% shouldn't be as low as 7.5 cuse if that was the case a combo of yuji and miguel would be able to slaughter him as both have special grade's of AP and then some but sukuna is still beating the breaks off of them while with a single arm, his output is way over 7.5% current because if it wasn't with all the weakenesses you just mentioned he'd be dead already.
 
Sakamaki_Fuji said:
I dont want to sound rude but thats a lot of headcanons. There is no way that 1 finger Sukuna is doing alat. Unless you also think that 1f sukuna can tank hits from someone relative to CT less Gojo
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ct less gojo and ct gojo are easily 20F though?
and why is it headcanon. If Kenjaku was stronger than 3F Mahoraga, or equal, he would no doubt try to acquire it for himself due to how busted it is. Yet the fact that he didn't shows how strong Maho is. 3F Mahoraga >> Kenjaku >= The heavy hitters.
and that isn't 1F Sukuna. It's 1.5F Sukuna. Which makes sense too given that current Sukuna and even the Sukuna beginning of chapter 235 didn't have proper output for rct, unlike 2F Sukun who can rapidly heal casually.
 
Sir_sun_man said:
you also forgot that he hit 4 straight BF's back to back, his output while nowhere near 100% shouldn't be as low as 7.5 cuse if that was the case a combo of yuji and miguel would be able to slaughter him as both have special grade's of AP and then some but sukuna is still beating the breaks off of them while with a single arm, his output is way over 7.5% current because if it wasn't with all the weakenesses you just mentioned he'd be dead already.
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Every hit from Yuji is setting those BF back though. It's stated by Choso.
 
TheGunsFinalWrath said:
Every hit from Yuji is setting those BF back though. It's stated by Choso.
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Also, yall are aware that current Sukuna has ce reserves less than 10F, right? So output wise, if he wasn't nerfed at all and only had ce reserves up to 10F, he would only be capable of displaying 10F level output... So currently, this isn't really a ""20F Sukuna"" at the moment. It's a "10F/9F" Sukuna who has a output far worse than 10F/9F.
 
TheGunsFinalWrath said:
Every hit from Yuji is setting those BF back though. It's stated by Choso.
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Yes but to say that sukuna is at less than 7.5% output is a bit nuts, like sure yuji is keeping it down hence sukuna can't really use those 10F worth of CE for much hence he is at like 5F to 4F level but 1.5F is quesitonable at best aspecially after the 4 BF's like sure they didn't recover him over the 50% (nowhere near) but not even 10% nah that is nuts, 20-25% is where he is at right now.
 
TheGunsFinalWrath said:
ct less gojo and ct gojo are easily 20F though?
and why is it headcanon. If Kenjaku was stronger than 3F Mahoraga, or equal, he would no doubt try to acquire it for himself due to how busted it is. Yet the fact that he didn't shows how strong Maho is. 3F Mahoraga >> Kenjaku >= The heavy hitters.
and that isn't 1F Sukuna. It's 1.5F Sukuna. Which makes sense too given that current Sukuna and even the Sukuna beginning of chapter 235 didn't have proper output for rct, unlike 2F Sukun who can rapidly heal casually.
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Kenjaku never tried to tame Mahoraga because hes not interrested in the 10s. He never cared about Megumi. He never even mentioned his name
 
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