Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[Arkenis]

im like 99% sure that ESO’s cursed technique is stated in the fanbook to be rot and not blood manipulation.

Please read the manga bro. I'm begging you. Rot is just the name, it is still blood he controls

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Choso can use Eso's techniques (3bros state vs Kenjaku), so 'rot' is likely just a specific application of blood manipulation, though idk what fanbook statement you're referring to so maybe I'm wrong

They list rot as a different technique to blood manipulation

Please read the manga bro. I'm begging you. Rot is just the name, it is still blood he controls

OK? That doesn’t mean it’s the same. A cursed technique is like a program:

• rot and blood manipulation use the same programming language
• they both manipulate blood
• they’re not the same technique

Under this analogy, Kamo and Choso have the same code and programming language in them. If they were the same technique, then they’d be listed as the same technique but they’re not.

 

[Arkenis]

They list rot as a different technique to blood manipulation


OK? That doesn’t mean it’s the same. A cursed technique is like a program:

• rot and blood manipulation use the same programming language
• they both manipulate blood
• they’re not the same technique

Under this analogy, Kamo and Choso have the same code and programming language in them. If they were the same technique, then they’d be listed as the same technique but they’re not.

What are you even saying? You said

eso doesn’t have blood manipulation,

I'm just telling you he does have blood manip.

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

I'm just telling you he does have blood manip.

He manipulates blood, but he doesn't have the cursed technique called blood manipulation

Blood manipulation in-universe here is a specific cursed technique, not any ability to manipulate blood. Rot is listed as a different technique:


蝕爛腐術 "Corrosion technique" (Rot)

赤血操術 = "Blood Manipulation Technique"

 

[Rosa]

"this is Eso's" - yea that's blood manip

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

"this is Eso's" - yea that's blood manip

It must be a different application of rot or applying rot to this:


I will say, I also remember this and this has gotta be some type of anti feat. He took so long to kill 1,000 transfigured humans, goddamn. I bet Naoya would do it quicker

 

[Arkenis]

I will say, I also remember this and this has gotta be some type of anti feat. He took so long to kill 1,000 transfigured humans, goddamn. I bet Naoya would do it quicker

MHS Demon Gojo just held back.

 

[Cimafranca133]

Next chapter we switch to Uraume Vs Hakari PoV

Imagine if Yuta jumps Uraume like he did with Kenjaku.

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

MHS Demon Gojo just held back.

Let's see:
Assuming he moved like 100 meters to kill each transfigured human, and it's 1,000 transfigured humans (wank), it'd be about the speed of sound still, lol

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Imagine if Yuta jumps Uraume like he did with Kenjaku.

"Lend me a hand Yuta this is base Uraume we're up against"

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

"Lend me a hand Yuta this is base Uraume we're up against"

this is when it pays to have a busted domain like Hakari. His domain is a real good counter vs other domains, yeah, but against people like Uraume it'd be better to be like Yuta. This is why I think Hakari said Yuta is more auspicious, and why Yuta is second to Gojo, he's too versatile and works for almost every situation

 

[AnAverageUsername]

I really like the word "auspicious", its so fun to say.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

I mean, yeah, his plans changed when Mahoraga appeared and began to adapt. Then Purple was his wincon.

He was still planning on one tapping Maho with Red but his output was low and his attack was somewhat tanked by Sukuna using the 10S.

On normal conditions Red alone would have been his wincon and then beating the ever living crap out of Sukuna

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

I really like the word "auspicious", its so fun to say.

Honestly

 

[JnSteHar002]

I will say, I also remember this and this has gotta be some type of anti feat. He took so long to kill 1,000 transfigured humans, goddamn. I bet Naoya would do it quicker

That's possibly true but only b/c Naoya wouldn't care about threatening the lives of anyone he deems weak, let alone any bystanders or non-sorcerers. He'd just blitz through not caring if he hits anyone or if the sheer speed he reaches causes waves that ruptures someone's internal organs or wind that crashes them into a nearby wall.

 

[Arkenis]

That's possibly true but only b/c Naoya wouldn't care about threatening the lives of anyone he deems weak, let alone any bystanders or non-sorcerers. He'd just blitz through not caring if he hits anyone or if the sheer speed he reaches causes waves that ruptures someone's internal organs or wind that crashes them into a nearby wall.

This doesn't appear for Gojo for majority of the series.

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

He'd just blitz through not caring if he hits anyone or if the sheer speed he reaches causes waves that ruptures someone's internal organs or wind that crashes them into a nearby wall.

This is a solid argument, NGL

 

[JnSteHar002]

This doesn't appear for Gojo for majority of the series.

Gojo's Six eyes, Limitless and being "Gojo" probably help

This is a solid argument, NGL

Thanks I take that into account w/a lot of speedsters/high speed characters

 

[Ackerman]

What ideas do you guys have for an extension technique for Gojo? You can give more than one

 

[M3X_2.0]

Just read that Yuji swapped souls with Choso to perform Piercing Blood and that’s cool as ****

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

when we calcing this?


edit: did the piercing bloods force send Choso flying upwards?

Planning on doing it once HD scans come out

BF is 1 microsecond which is Mach 2938.67 (MHS+), Gojo can just scale to that honestly

Thing about this is is it actual reaction speed or would it be more like thinking/perception speed cause something like reactions or combat speed needs actual movement within said timeframe. BF kinda just means you apply cursed energy to an attack within that 1 microsecond timeframe which doesn't really mean much other than you can think that fast

 

[GunshyFever]

Thing about this is is it actual reaction speed or would it be more like thinking/perception speed cause something like reactions or combat speed needs actual movement within said timeframe. BF kinda just means you apply cursed energy to an attack within that 1 microsecond timeframe which doesn't really mean much other than you can think that fast

Yeah this makes sense for the most part but this chapter practically lifts the MHS+ cap, so what's really stopping this from being a thing. MHS+ no longer has to be a cap for god tiers

 

[Arkenis]

What ideas do you guys have for an extension technique for Gojo? You can give more than one

Objects imbued with blue to pull people towards them like Shinra Tensei or Imbued with Neutral to keep them from destroying an object.

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Planning on doing it once HD scans come out

I thought about it and NGL, the speed of the PB might be slower because the force is both pushing the blood out and Choso away in the opposite direction

Also:
Here is why black flash still caps the verse:
It’s still insanely long for a punch to actually elapse.

If Gojo punches Sukuna w/ black flash, it means the punch took 1 millionth of a second at least.

Hypothetically speaking, if Sukuna is ftl, he can move like 8000 meters in that black flash timeframe, so how could he ever get tagged and stay in a position when it’s 1 millionth of a second?

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Yeah this makes sense for the most part but this chapter practically lifts the MHS+ cap, so what's really stopping this from being a thing. MHS+ no longer has to be a cap for god tiers

Sukuna avoiding Kashimo's EM waves might be aim-dodging considering we see him looking at Kashimo's hand in his face before the attack is fired

 

[GunshyFever]

Sukuna avoiding Kashimo's EM waves might be aim-dodging considering we see him looking at Kashimo's hand in his face before the attack is fired

Its not the same feat, this time Sukuna reacted to the attack and countered it with dismantle

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Sukuna avoiding Kashimo's EM waves might be aim-dodging considering we see him looking at Kashimo's hand in his face before the attack is fired

You’d be arguing that Sukuna can pull out of the way of a literal beam of light in about a 300 millionth of a second, but then he can’t pull out of a black flash from Gojo in just a millionth of a second, basically, and that makes no sense at all

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

You’d be arguing that Sukuna can pull out of the way of a literal beam of light in about a 300 millionth of a second, but then he can’t pull out of a black flash from Gojo in just a millionth of a second, basically, and that makes no sense at all

Aim-dodging means he moves before the attack is fired. Also Gojo saying he can nail the timeframe doesn't necessarily limit the application of his Cursed Energy to a microsecond. It could be even less than that for all we know, which tracks when you consider that his dialogue implies he can easily nail the time frame, what with him having used and successfully landed Black Flash a lot

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Aim-dodging means he moves before the attack is fired. Also Gojo saying he can nail the timeframe doesn't necessarily limit him to a microsecond. It could be less than that

The issue I mentioned exists. Gojo still can’t be FTL

Sukuna isn’t sitting there waiting to be hit by the black flash’s flash, it’s instantaneous to them

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

The issue I mentioned exists. Gojo still can’t be FTL

Sukuna isn’t sitting there waiting to be hit by the black flash’s flash, it’s instantaneous to them

You just answered your own concerns there. It's instantaneous to them because the application of Cursed Energy isn't necessarily a microsecond. That's just the window of time for Black Flash

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

You just answered your own concerns there. It's instantaneous to them because the application of Cursed Energy isn't necessarily a microsecond. That's just the window of time for Black Flash

That still means that there’s 1 microsecond where they’re taking 0 damage because 0 cursed energy is hitting them

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

That still means that there’s 1 microsecond where they’re taking 0 damage because 0 cursed energy is hitting them

No there isn't. If there were, it would pass over the window of time to successfully land a Black Flash

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Sukuna avoiding Kashimo's EM waves might be aim-dodging considering we see him looking at Kashimo's hand in his face before the attack is fired

Check the feat first. This is second EMW which was already fired at Sukuna and Sukuna countered that after it was in motion

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Check the feat first. This is second EMW which was already fired at Sukuna and Sukuna countered that after it was in motion

Its not the same feat, this time Sukuna reacted to the attack and countered it with dismantle

I was informed

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Speaking of which, is there any contention to that feat given the past problems?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Speaking of which, is there any contention to that feat given the past problems?

People will ignore the fact that Gojo said, 'If it were that easy, I should be able to do it,' and claim that Sukuna got tagged by sound waves, despite Sukuna being a guy who is known for not caring. Gojo's keywords are 'easy,' implying that Black Flash required speed and cursed energy output are easy feats for him, and 'should be,' indicating he can do such feats easily. It's funny how people are still in denial regarding this.

 

[GunshyFever]

Speaking of which, is there any contention to that feat given the past problems?

Not that I'm aware of, that feat is the most valid version since we actually see Sukuna counter it on the panel while being blitz tiers above Kashimo

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Sukuna intercepting EM waves while healthy

as opposed to Sukuna getting tagged by sound waves while on 1 HP

I'm not gonna hold my breath because VSBW is cruel like that but the second feat is practically irrelevant

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Sukuna intercepting EM waves while healthy

as opposed to Sukuna getting tagged by sound waves while on 1 HP

I'm not gonna hold my breath because VSBW is cruel like that but the second feat is practically irrelevant

Fun fact: Sukuna was having his balance collapsed by Kashimo, and Kashimo had to resort to a sound wave attack after that. People thinking Sukuna was getting tagged by sound waves just to downplay his speed, is funny.

 

[GunshyFever]

Fun fact: Sukuna was having his balance collapsed by Kashimo, and Kashimo had to resort to a sound wave attack after that. People thinking Sukuna was getting tagged by sound waves just to downplay his speed, is funny.

not me being guilty of this