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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Sakamaki_Fuji said:
No the hell he is not
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Yet 15F Sukuna with less than 10% CE output clobbered Maki and got her hurt and spitting out blood?
current Sukuna should be on that level like Shey said, otherwise fp sukuna just one shots Maki to blood mist if you think he's very close to fp or at it (or beyond fp)

Have yall ever wondered as to why Kenny (Kenjaku) just never tried to tame Mahoraga, whatsoever. And he has the means to just grab the 10S CT if he wants. He hates the six eyes users, and Maho is easily a really good counter to them, given how he's the Opp for the gojo clan. He has lots of means and tools on his hands to try and attempt trying to achieve control of Mahoraga. Kenny isn't stupid. So why?

The answer is simple. Mahoraga is just too strong. So if Mahoraga is too strong then what does that say for the heavy hitters who can't go 1v1 with Kenny in a conventional way? I think the answer is obvious here.
 
TheGunsFinalWrath said:
Yet 15F Sukuna with less than 10% CE output clobbered Maki and got her hurt and spitting out blood?
current Sukuna should be on that level like Shey said, otherwise fp sukuna just one shots Maki to blood mist if you think he's very close to fp or at it (or beyond fp)

Have yall ever wondered as to why Kenny (Kenjaku) just never tried to tame Mahoraga, whatsoever. And he has the means to just grab the 10S CT if he wants. He hates the six eyes users, and Maho is easily a really good counter to them, given how he's the Opp for the gojo clan. He has lots of means and tools on his hands to try and attempt trying to achieve control of Mahoraga. Kenny isn't stupid. So why?

The answer is simple. Mahoraga is just too strong. So if Mahoraga is too strong then what does that say for the heavy hitters who can't go 1v1 with Kenny in a conventional way? I think the answer is obvious here.
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I think he is saying that, that sukuna should be weaker than the current one (in output at least) and I agree with that, cuse that sukuna at 10% was equal to slightly above maki.

Current sukuna has outright blitzed maki and clobbered her a number of times at this point (with a single arm no less), doesn't mean he is anywhere close to being at 100% or 120%, he is likely closer to like 20-30% of his FP
 
TheGunsFinalWrath said:
Yet 15F Sukuna with less than 10% CE output clobbered Maki and got her hurt and spitting out blood?
current Sukuna should be on that level like Shey said, otherwise fp sukuna just one shots Maki to blood mist if you think he's very close to fp or at it (or beyond fp)

Have yall ever wondered as to why Kenny (Kenjaku) just never tried to tame Mahoraga, whatsoever. And he has the means to just grab the 10S CT if he wants. He hates the six eyes users, and Maho is easily a really good counter to them, given how he's the Opp for the gojo clan. He has lots of means and tools on his hands to try and attempt trying to achieve control of Mahoraga. Kenny isn't stupid. So why?

The answer is simple. Mahoraga is just too strong. So if Mahoraga is too strong then what does that say for the heavy hitters who can't go 1v1 with Kenny in a conventional way? I think the answer is obvious here.
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I dont want to sound rude but thats a lot of headcanons. There is no way that 1 finger Sukuna is doing alat. Unless you also think that 1f sukuna can tank hits from someone relative to CT less Gojo
 
Shey said:
I didn't say that, I said he's closer to that state than an impractical 120%
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you should word it better next time, saying "he's closer to the ~10% output back at 214 if anything arguably worse"
comes off as you saying he is currently weaker than the 10% of 15F which he sure as hell isn't.
 
Sir_sun_man said:
I think he is saying that, that sukuna should be weaker than the current one (in output at least) and I agree with that, cuse that sukuna at 10% was equal to slightly above maki.

Current sukuna has outright blitzed maki and clobbered her a number of times at this point (with a single arm no less), doesn't mean he is anywhere close to being at 100% or 120%, he is likely closer to like 20-30% of his FP
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didn't 215 Sukuna also handle yuji and maki trying to barrage him, crouch down, flow his ce to his ct, activate it and make spider cleave, all whilst Maki and Yuji were in midst swing motion?
feels like that was a near blitz there.
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maki despite those keen senses didn't seem to be able to react in time to stop Sukuna from activating cleave there. Sukuna also says less than 10% output is enough to comfortably slaughter Yuji too. while Yuji isn't Maki level, they're kinda in the same ballpark stat wise.

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TheGunsFinalWrath said:
didn't 215 Sukuna also handle yuji and maki trying to barrage him, crouch down, flow his ce to his ct, activate it and make spider cleave, all whilst Maki and Yuji were in midst swing motion?
feels like that was a near blitz there.
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https://images-ext-1.**********.net/external/tdf8bbo2S26MQPz61cOga70L1bsH8ieJyKzTONtp_pA/https/cdn.****************.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/jjk_womb7_215_012.pngand maki despite those keen senses didn't seem to be able to react in time to stop Sukuna from activating cleave there. Sukuna also says less than 10% output is enough to comfortably slaughter Yuji too. while Yuji isn't Maki level, they're kinda in the same ballpark stat wise.

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well maki was holding back her speed for yuji to keep up but that's not much the point.

The main thing is that current sukuna is running everyones pockets while only with 1 functional arm, he blitzed maki hardcore, full on preception blitz, while the 215 fight he was faster and stronger but not quite to that level and also current yuji should be massively over the yuji in 215 due to the death paintings he ate, those alone should bump him up by 3-4 fingers worth of power (CE that is, not actual sukuna levels) and he is was getting his pockets ran while in a 5v1 anyway.


Current sukuna should still be substentially above the 10% 15F sukuna, like he is nowhere near 120% of his full power (like some claim) but he is at least 20% of his FP right now.
 
Sir_sun_man said:
you should word it better next time, saying "he's closer to the ~10% output back at 214 if anything arguably worse"
comes off as you saying he is currently weaker than the 10% of 15F which he sure as hell isn't.
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Arguably so, he's physically mutilated, missing his heart which already weakens him as implied from the detention center, his Output weakened from his extensive battle with Gojo, multiple blows from Yuji who weakens his output and reduces his control over the body.
 
Shey said:
Arguably so, he's physically mutilated, missing his heart which already weakens him as implied from the detention center, his Output weakened from his extensive battle with Gojo, multiple blows from Yuji who weakens his output and reduces his control over the body.
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you also forgot that he hit 4 straight BF's back to back, his output while nowhere near 100% shouldn't be as low as 7.5 cuse if that was the case a combo of yuji and miguel would be able to slaughter him as both have special grade's of AP and then some but sukuna is still beating the breaks off of them while with a single arm, his output is way over 7.5% current because if it wasn't with all the weakenesses you just mentioned he'd be dead already.
 
Sakamaki_Fuji said:
I dont want to sound rude but thats a lot of headcanons. There is no way that 1 finger Sukuna is doing alat. Unless you also think that 1f sukuna can tank hits from someone relative to CT less Gojo
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ct less gojo and ct gojo are easily 20F though?
and why is it headcanon. If Kenjaku was stronger than 3F Mahoraga, or equal, he would no doubt try to acquire it for himself due to how busted it is. Yet the fact that he didn't shows how strong Maho is. 3F Mahoraga >> Kenjaku >= The heavy hitters.
and that isn't 1F Sukuna. It's 1.5F Sukuna. Which makes sense too given that current Sukuna and even the Sukuna beginning of chapter 235 didn't have proper output for rct, unlike 2F Sukun who can rapidly heal casually.
 
Sir_sun_man said:
you also forgot that he hit 4 straight BF's back to back, his output while nowhere near 100% shouldn't be as low as 7.5 cuse if that was the case a combo of yuji and miguel would be able to slaughter him as both have special grade's of AP and then some but sukuna is still beating the breaks off of them while with a single arm, his output is way over 7.5% current because if it wasn't with all the weakenesses you just mentioned he'd be dead already.
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Every hit from Yuji is setting those BF back though. It's stated by Choso.
 
TheGunsFinalWrath said:
Every hit from Yuji is setting those BF back though. It's stated by Choso.
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Also, yall are aware that current Sukuna has ce reserves less than 10F, right? So output wise, if he wasn't nerfed at all and only had ce reserves up to 10F, he would only be capable of displaying 10F level output... So currently, this isn't really a ""20F Sukuna"" at the moment. It's a "10F/9F" Sukuna who has a output far worse than 10F/9F.
 
TheGunsFinalWrath said:
Every hit from Yuji is setting those BF back though. It's stated by Choso.
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Yes but to say that sukuna is at less than 7.5% output is a bit nuts, like sure yuji is keeping it down hence sukuna can't really use those 10F worth of CE for much hence he is at like 5F to 4F level but 1.5F is quesitonable at best aspecially after the 4 BF's like sure they didn't recover him over the 50% (nowhere near) but not even 10% nah that is nuts, 20-25% is where he is at right now.
 
TheGunsFinalWrath said:
ct less gojo and ct gojo are easily 20F though?
and why is it headcanon. If Kenjaku was stronger than 3F Mahoraga, or equal, he would no doubt try to acquire it for himself due to how busted it is. Yet the fact that he didn't shows how strong Maho is. 3F Mahoraga >> Kenjaku >= The heavy hitters.
and that isn't 1F Sukuna. It's 1.5F Sukuna. Which makes sense too given that current Sukuna and even the Sukuna beginning of chapter 235 didn't have proper output for rct, unlike 2F Sukun who can rapidly heal casually.
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Kenjaku never tried to tame Mahoraga because hes not interrested in the 10s. He never cared about Megumi. He never even mentioned his name
 
Sir_sun_man said:
you also forgot that he hit 4 straight BF's back to back, his output while nowhere near 100% shouldn't be as low as 7.5 cuse if that was the case a combo of yuji and miguel would be able to slaughter him as both have special grade's of AP and then some but sukuna is still beating the breaks off of them while with a single arm, his output is way over 7.5% current because if it wasn't with all the weakenesses you just mentioned he'd be dead already.
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He was already blitzing them before even hitting the Black Flashes. Sukuna gets at fast as he wants to be, if he's toying with them they can keep up a little if he locks in they get BLITZED.

What indicates that Sukuna at that level wouldn't still be able to give them a run down, you're just saying he'd be dead already but for what reason?
 
TheGunsFinalWrath said:
Also, yall are aware that current Sukuna has ce reserves less than 10F, right? So output wise, if he wasn't nerfed at all and only had ce reserves up to 10F, he would only be capable of displaying 10F level output... So currently, this isn't really a ""20F Sukuna"" at the moment. It's a "10F/9F" Sukuna who has a output far worse than 10F/9F.
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CE reserves dont correlate to CE output. Yuta, for example, has some of the largest cursed energy reserves within the entire series but even he can't output the same level of cursed energy as Ryu by himself.
 
Shey said:
He was already blitzing them before even hitting the Black Flashes.

What indicates that Sukuna at that level wouldn't still be able to give them a run down, you're just saying he'd be dead already but for what reason?
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good sir, we have miguel who Gojo compared to himself when it comes to CE reinforcement and gojo while not even trying was able to smash 1F sukuna into the pavement before he could even react and yet we see this current sukuna being able to actually react to and swap hands with miguel.

Current sukuna is in no way below 2 finger worths of power, he is currently at like 4-5 fingers, or less than half of his current 10F worth of CE that he has left after the Gojo fight (plus I mean common yuji and the gang where able to somewhat swap hands with sukuna fresh of his reincarnation who'd be at like 10F worth of power, to say that they all of a sudden can't do much more even after he went down to a tenth of that is a reach and then some)
 
Sir_sun_man said:
good sir, we have miguel who Gojo compared to himself when it comes to CE reinforcement and gojo while not even trying was able to smash 1F sukuna into the pavement before he could even react and yet we see this current sukuna being able to actually react to and swap hands with miguel.

Current sukuna is in no way below 2 finger worths of power, he is currently at like 4-5 fingers, or less than half of his current 10F worth of CE that he has left after the Gojo fight (plus I mean common yuji and the gang where able to somewhat swap hands with sukuna fresh of his reincarnation who'd be at like 10F worth of power, to say that they all of a sudden can't do much more even after he went down to a tenth of that is a reach and then some)
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1F Sukuna wasn't able to touch Gojo as he wasn't aware of his technique at the time, Gojo blitzing 1F doesn't make him inferior to anyone Gojo with Blue can blitz even 20F Sukuna if he isn't fully on guard for it, he did this to Full Power Meguna in his Domain when blasting Red in his face.
There's no concrete scaling for him so it doesn't discredit it at all
 
Sakamaki_Fuji said:
Kenjaku never tried to tame Mahoraga because hes not interrested in the 10s. He never cared about Megumi. He never even mentioned his name
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Not interested
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Nothing proves that though? And not caring about megumi is irrelevant. We talking about hundreds or more years back. He would definitely know about the big three clans, especially Gojo clan's opp, mahoraga. and the 10S existed back then. There's literally 0 reason to not be interested in acquiring something as special as Mahoraga, who's kinda like "Yamata no Orochi" who Kenjaku is aware of given the fact that he was in Heian Era too..
Nonetheless, not wanting to acquire a shikigami, who can adapt to any phenomena, and is a really great counter to the gojo clan, is and would be the dumbest thing Kenjaku could EVER do, like be serious. The fact that he hasn't acquired it is quite telling that he simply isn't powerful enough to do it.
 
Sakamaki_Fuji said:
CE reserves dont correlate to CE output. Yuta, for example, has some of the largest cursed energy reserves within the entire series but even he can't output the same level of cursed energy as Ryu by himself.
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? So you think 1F Sukuna = 20F Sukuna?
how do you think JP Hakari got a better output when he got increased ce reserves 😂
 
TheGunsFinalWrath said:
Nothing proves that though? And not caring about megumi is irrelevant. We talking about hundreds or more years back. He would definitely know about the big three clans, especially Gojo clan's opp, mahoraga. and the 10S existed back then. There's literally 0 reason to not be interested in acquiring something as special as Mahoraga, who's kinda like "Yamata no Orochi" who Kenjaku is aware of given the fact that he was in Heian Era too..
Nonetheless, not wanting to acquire a shikigami, who can adapt to any phenomena, and is a really great counter to the gojo clan, is and would be the dumbest thing Kenjaku could EVER do, like be serious. The fact that he hasn't acquired it is quite telling that he simply isn't powerful enough to do it.
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I mean the 10S are kinda pointless for kenny since they don't do nothing for his plans, like cool its strong but what is that gonna do to help him merge tengen with the world? nothing, he needed that Curse manip for the tangen plan, 10S are kinda worthless to him.
 
TheGunsFinalWrath said:
? So you think 1F Sukuna = 20F Sukuna?
how do you think JP Hakari got a better output when he got increased ce reserves 😂
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I mean I think he is mainly saying that it is not a 1 to 1 for CE and output and that is true, Since I'd say that having the same amount of CE as 1F sukuna would not mean you have even half of 1F sukuna's output
 
Sakamaki_Fuji said:
Didnt Gojo say that jogo was stronger than 3f sukuna? Like bruh
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Mahito Says Jogo has more Raw CE than sukuna, but his soul built different

Gojo judges that Jogo is probably more POWERFUL than Sukuna based on the blasts(he's wrong on jogo being stronger and is just basing this off Jogos CE capacity)


its like two direct statements that jogo has more CE than 3F
So no.
 
Sir_sun_man said:
I mean I think he is mainly saying that it is not a 1 to 1 for CE and output and that is true, Since I'd say that having the same amount of CE as 1F sukuna would not mean you have even half of 1F sukuna's output
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1F Sukuna and 20F have same ce control. That doesn't mean their output is the same. More fingers give Sukuna more ce reserves and that translates to more output. This is how it has been for Sukuna in the series. For Hakari, JP only gives him infinite ce. he obviously can't use all of it, but the increase in CE output is obvious.
I thought all of this was obvious?
 
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