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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

EldemadeDityjon said:
Relativistic+
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Nierre said:
Who's gonna be the brave foolish soul to make a CRT regarding speed 🥱
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I already have a half finished draft for an FTL CRT in my sandbox so i can go for it once the full translations for the chap are out.

Though I do have one issue, the calc is about the speed of Sukuna's world dismantle but there's no reason for that to scale to anyones combat speed, since so far no ones countered world dismantle by pure speed.

Wouldnt it be better to calc Sukuna's reaction/ perception speed from being able to chant while the EMW is coming at him?
 
Giannysmag said:
I already have a half finished draft for an FTL CRT in my sandbox so i can go for it once the full translations for the chap are out.

Though I do have one issue, the calc is about the speed of Sukuna's world dismantle but there's no reason for that to scale to anyones combat speed, since so far no ones countered world dismantle by pure speed.

Wouldnt it be better to calc Sukuna's reaction/ perception speed from being able to chant while the EMW is coming at him?
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Nuke the Black flash speed cap discussion rule first.
 
GTsek said:
Gojou said that Jogo was stronger than Sukuna at the time when they fought, and Sukuna already had 3 fingers.
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Yeah, based on the raw CE.
Mahito Says Jogo has more Raw CE than sukuna, but his soul built different

Gojo judges that Jogo is probably more POWERFUL than Sukuna based on the blasts(he's wrong on jogo being stronger and is just basing this off Jogos CE capacity)
Who's got better CE control, Jogo or Sukuna? I think the answer is obvious for everybody else.
YukaSama4 said:
Are you sure about this?
Because Shishiso's, TCB's and Viz's translation all say the same thing
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Hmm, I checked through the TL with another one. It simply says:
黒閃で 反転術式の 取り戻した 五条に対し
"Thanks to Black Flash, Gojo recovered his Reverse Cursed Technique".
So you can ignore the earlier TL, although it does still make sense with the context of the Manga provided.
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Says he has regained output for reverse cursed technique. Nothing about fully recovered which many seem to think or guess. Earlier, Gojo and Sukuna, had a output so bad that when their weaker selves. (Teen RCT Gojo had output for rct. 2F Sukuna could rapidly heal and use his rct properly too and had the necessary output. In Viz scan above which I posted, says he can't rapidly heal.. Well we have one who just does that as a 2F, healed his almost half missing arm (or well to be precise hand) casually.

While you could make the case that Gojo is fully recovered in output aka back to 20F, you'd have to account in for the fact that Sukuna himself didn't have proper output for rct before gojo blasted him with that purple. So that begs the question as to how Sukuna who is several times weaker, could even begin to survive a close to medium ranged HP blast? It makes no sense. Especially since rct doesn't help you in fixing your brain side effects caused by reaching the limit. Natural recovery is the only way.

As for chapter 255 line, it says this: "Gojo Satoru recovered the output of the RCT that he lost with two instances of Black Flash". Nothing new really, just the same thing said in ch235.


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"Let's work together to finish off Sukuna before he recovers his reverse cursed technique...!!"


Oh yeah, lemme post the links of the currently available translations we have rn for yall.



 
Guacamolefletcher said:
It's why Sukuna is stronger than Gojo despite Gojo having HP which one shots Sukuna
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Sukuna was never stronger than Gojo. If you think having the most knowledge about your enemy and then fully exploiting that advantage is being stronger than that's crazy.
EldemadeDityjon said:
Psuedo Flight for Sukuna confirmed in this chapter
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we've been knowing this for ages... or at least I do. shrug. Anime even showed us it in action further.


Guacamolefletcher said:
I will say, I also remember this and this has gotta be some type of anti feat. He took so long to kill 1,000 transfigured humans, goddamn. I bet Naoya would do it quicker
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yes the same gojo that said he had to hold back. part of the reason as to why he couldn't use blue, and even if he did, it would be too weak to do anything. There are literally hundreds of civilians around him. Gojo flexing his CE around full power is just going to kill them, let alone doing anything more than that.

Because why else is Gojo struggling to one shot the disaster curses, when 15F Sukuna could easily do it? 🤔
Sir_Marvulous said:
Aim-dodging means he moves before the attack is fired. Also Gojo saying he can nail the timeframe doesn't necessarily limit the application of his Cursed Energy to a microsecond. It could be even less than that for all we know, which tracks when you consider that his dialogue implies he can easily nail the time frame, what with him having used and successfully landed Black Flash a lot
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Yeah, one translation even says

Gojo: Black Flash is the warping of space that occurs when cursed energy and a physical strike have a difference of less than 0.000001 second.
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But I gotta say it to every one of yall, yall should just wait for Lightning to translate that explanation tbh. Like I'd rather wait for Lightning's TL since it is just so clear and smooth. So don't just go and rushing the speed stuff and wait. he'll be available in like, 2-3 days. Should be 2 days ig.

EldemadeDityjon said:
People thinking Sukuna was getting tagged by sound waves just to downplay his speed,
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ngl. i have yet to see people explain why kashimo can't just buff it up since it is created by him. And he changes it to match specific materials, of which that are unknown to us. Whatever phenomenon that deals with electricity is something Kashimo can embody and change. with that detail in the way, the only conclusion we can come to with that, is that it is unknown. (which sucks, but better than just being assumed simply as mach 1 lol,

but anyways.
 
TheGunsFinalWrath said:
Hmm, I checked through the TL with another one. It simply says:
黒閃で 反転術式の 取り戻した 五条に対し
"Thanks to Black Flash, Gojo recovered his Reverse Cursed Technique".
So you can ignore the earlier TL, although it does still make sense with the context of the Manga provided.
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Says he has regained output for reverse cursed technique. Nothing about fully recovered which many seem to think or guess. Earlier, Gojo and Sukuna, had a output so bad that when their weaker selves. (Teen RCT Gojo had output for rct. 2F Sukuna could rapidly heal and use his rct properly too and had the necessary output. In Viz scan above which I posted, says he can't rapidly heal.. Well we have one who just does that as a 2F, healed his almost half missing arm (or well to be precise hand) casually.
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It doesnt need to say he recovered his output completely, he recovered his lost output meaning his output isnt lower anymore
TheGunsFinalWrath said:
While you could make the case that Gojo is fully recovered in output aka back to 20F, you'd have to account in for the fact that Sukuna himself didn't have proper output for rct before gojo blasted him with that purple. So that begs the question as to how Sukuna who is several times weaker, could even begin to survive a close to medium ranged HP blast? It makes no sense. Especially since rct doesn't help you in fixing your brain side effects caused by reaching the limit. Natural recovery is the only way.
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Its true that Sukuna’s output was low, however his CE is still high enough, his CE at that time should be still higher than Yuta who has higher CE than Gojo, and he actually was at death’s door after that HP, he was ~ Kashimo whos on Hakari’s level who cant take even one punch from Gojo, so if Sukuna didnt have the new dismantle, didnt have a way to fix his body, Gojo wouldve probbaly finished him off in 2 pages after that moment, its the reason Kusakabe said Gojo has won the fight.
TheGunsFinalWrath said:
As for chapter 255 line, it says this: "Gojo Satoru recovered the output of the RCT that he lost with two instances of Black Flash". Nothing new really, just the same thing said in ch235.


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"Let's work together to finish off Sukuna before he recovers his reverse cursed technique...!
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"Gojo has recovered the output that he lost" means his output was at full power there, lets assume he lost 40% of his output, after the 2nd bf he regained the lost output meaning he regained those 40% back.
 
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Gojo’s first wincon was UV, if he managed to successfully put Sukuna there, the fight would be over, Sukuna expected this so he used Mahoraga to get rid of UV, its why after that Gojo said "Im glad to see you fighting desperately" and Sukuna replied by "not as desperate as you"

After UV was removed, Gojo wanted to finish Sukuna with red, it worked and Sukuna was knocked out for a few pages, what Gojo didnt expect is that the fact the adaptation was gradual, which means red can no longer finish Mahoraga, so he had to use purple
EldemadeDityjon said:
Btw Sukuna who fought Yuta had Yuta's level of CE.
Yuta > Gojo in CE storage
Did Gojo's CE pool just increased here because of Black Flashes?
Gojo > Weakened Sukuna's CE pool
Weakened Sukuna CE pool ~ Yuta
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iirc this was a mistranslation by TCB which they fixed a day or 2 after, Viz and Shishiso team translated it as "its because its made from my CE" or sth like this
 
I'm not in favour of ftl jjk off available information but that's a very poor counter
There are a bunch of reasons why he may have decided to use a sound based attack.
Range, AP, etc
Backed up by the fact that he's been blitzing Piercing Blood like every chapter since then
Plus the fact that a sound based attack is not limited to mach 1 in a setting with magical powers
We have MFTL+ lasers on this site
Mach 1 is used as a default as that's the lowest a sound based attack should be

Guacamolefletcher said:
You can’t prove what this is. What we do know is Kashimo saw attacking him with Sonic attacks as a good idea
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By the eos im expecting jjk to be hypersonic to massively hypersonic with possibly relativistic reaction speeds
Which isnt bad given that they would still be able to fight persons who can amp their atk speed in fight(unless it gets to some big ahh speed)
 
If these translations are correct, Gojo is saying that for him since he has the 6 eyes, the explanation of bfs isnt enough, when you imbue your fist with a CE and strike, the CE is divided into 3 parts, CE that strengthens your punch, CE that hits the opponent, CE that do both, sorcerers cant manipulate all these 3 so for them the usual BF explanation is fine, but Gojo says he's the only one capable of manipulating the 3 parts, so he should be able to use BF at will, but even when he goes all out he can't, so there are other conditions behind it, he then theorises that the state of your body, your opponent CE, temperature and humidity all might have a role in activating BFs
 
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YukaSama4 said:
iirc this was a mistranslation by TCB which they fixed a day or 2 after, Viz and Shishiso team translated it as "its because its made from my CE" or sth like this
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You have the translation? Jonhy boy is not trust worthy at this point
Also @Arkenis did checked raws and it was shown as CE pool if I remember correctly
 
YukaSama4 said:
It doesnt need to say he recovered his output completely, he recovered his lost output meaning his output isnt lower anymore
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Yeah lost output to make rct workable. Nothing about being at full power here. Not sure why you missed that.


YukaSama4 said:
Its true that Sukuna’s output was low, however his CE is still high enough, his CE at that time should be still higher than Yuta who has higher CE than Gojo, and he actually was at death’s door after that HP, he was ~ Kashimo whos on Hakari’s level who cant take even one punch from Gojo, so if Sukuna didnt have the new dismantle, didnt have a way to fix his body, Gojo wouldve probbaly finished him off in 2 pages after that moment, its the reason Kusakabe said Gojo has won the fight.
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It being higher than Yuta's doesn't matter when he's bound to just die right there. CE reserves do little if your ce output is so trash, like Sukuna's is.
Furthermore if Sukuna's ce output is that low. to where he can't use rct properly (not enough output for rct), then the Mahoraga he summoned is most likely close to the level of Untamed Shibuya Maho who is confirmed 3f level 😭
So yeah, Mahoraga is getting turned into blood mist from that BF punch, if his output is back fully, like you assume it to be. That big gap is putting holes in the idea that he's at fp.

Hakari and Yuta can't even take that hit from that gojo who wasn't even serious in punching. (then there's the argument to be made that he didn't remove his blindfold in order to allow his six eyes to operate at full power/normal level versus blindfolded gojo)

Yeah but you're not getting the point that if Sukuna's output is just that bad, to where he's quite literal multiple fingers below, then he's simply just not surviving that HP, let alone a regular red. Take for example their first domain battle. Gojo was constantly being wounded by slashes, and any of his techniques being used in a domain, especially as powerful as Sukuna's, will be nerfed. Ontop of that, Sukuna was buffed by his domain. Yet one red wounded him hefty. That's quite telling about the gap between these two. I think you get the point that this Sukuna would instantly get blitzed and die if gojo was truly at full power.


YukaSama4 said:
"Gojo has recovered the output that he lost" means his output was at full power there, lets assume he lost 40% of his output, after the 2nd bf he regained the lost output meaning he regained those 40% back.
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? BF's don't stack continuously with more "20% shtick. That's just never stated if that's what you're going with. And how much it can help improve your Ce control is kinda negligible at a certain point when you reach gojo and sukuna level. It does help you recover your output, sure, but it's not like that big of a increase like you're putting it to be. And again, the idea of him being at full power here is quite contradicting to the narrative. He only recovered the output necessary to use rct properly. Nothing more. Nothing saying he is at full power or Sukuna is.

And if you think full power gojo is going to get caught off guard by a Hakari level character who is near death, then I'm curious as to why you think so. Becuase the CE spark, and every other action from Sukuna, will be easily detected by gojo, and perceived extremely slowly. Especially given the fact that Gojo can analyze how the CE spark is exactly the same as the one Mahoraga sent against Gojo, which Gojo has seen. And can also analyze Sukuna trying to use his ct to send out world slash, and understand that it will cut through him.

Are you getting what I mean? Sukuna would be multiple tiers below Gojo if he is at such level of power near death, compared to the gojo who is several tiers above. The world slash simply won't even succeed in hitting gojo at all with how slow it would be with that low level output.

So the more consistent and sensible interpretation would be that he simply just hasn't reached full power yet, and thus, gojo and sukuna don't have a multiple tiers gap between them. Otherwise Sukuna would simply just die from that HP if his output is that extremely low whereas Gojo is ""FP""
 
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How do people think Sukuna is at 120% just cause of BF?
That makes no sense, he's nowhere near even 100%, he's closer to the ~10% output back at 214 if anything arguably worse.
Also where does the idea the 120% thing stacks even come from?
 
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