Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

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Ok, these are the profiles I have for Mahoraga's and Sukuna's profiles respectively:

Ryomen Sukuna profile sandbox

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Mahoraga profile Sandbox

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Whatcha think about them?

Profiles look amazing man. For Sukuna:

"Adaptation (With Mahoraga, Sukuna can use the summoning to adapt to any and all phenomena, kind of like a late throw in rock paper scissors. This power can also extend to the user of the summoning as well)." Bolded part should reworded to specify that the user can only bear the process of adaptation for Mahoraga, they don't actually get the adaptation power themselves

Shouldn't Resurrection be Transformation and Healing? Since he is not literally coming back from the dead, just manifesting into his true body and recovering himself

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

The difference between Itakuna and Mekuna shouldnt be any other than the Ten Shadows tbh
We should as well remove Ten Shadows for his True Form state due to this. But if people still think that its vague, we can wait yeah

Rest is fine

Ten shadows Should be fine. Context is Higu is just saying most of ten shadows is destroyed because of Gojos fight. So he most likely lost them. But he is not even sure about that.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Mahoraga sould also have another kind of invulnerability due to be made out of cursed energy, similar to curses

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Ok, these are the profiles I have for Mahoraga's and Sukuna's profiles respectively:

Ryomen Sukuna profile sandbox

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Mahoraga profile Sandbox

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Whatcha think about them?

Unnamed fire arrow. Just put it as Fuga as anime says.

This explanation should be rewritten something like (Advanced Sorcerer: He is a Sorcerer whose Skills is one Par with Gojo and Kenjaku if not Superior)

• Cursed Energy Manipulation (Advanced Sorcerer; Cursed energy is negative energy source that sorcerers can conciously make flow starting from their gut and throughout the rest of their body)[5]

Remove this NPI it's already exist in CE manipulation page

• Non-Physical Interaction (Can interact with cursed spirits, which are abstract and formed from human thoughts and negative emotions)[6]

These power null and Homing attack also already listed in CE manipulation page so remove this

• Power Nullification (A Domain Expansion is capable of neutralizing all Techniques. Can neutralize Techniques with Domain Amplification)[11]
• Homing Attack (Additionally, the Techniques that have been granted in the Domain will always hit the opponent)[12]

Innate domains are special things so I would prefer Chimera garden as Likely or possibly rating not solid.

• Domain Expansion (Type 1; Using Megumi Fushiguro as his vessel, his domain expansion allows him to conjure the various kinds of Shikigami Sukuna has at his disposal for his domain's guaranteed effective hit. This domain expansion also allows Sukuna to mask himself within the shadows and and perform sneak attacks[26], as well as being able to use those shadows to make duplicates of himself[27]. As an added bonus, this domain expansion temporarily draws out 120% of the user's power when performed[27].)

Regarding keys. is True power refering to Hiean Era Sukuna or Meguna all together?

Key: 2 Fingers | 3 Fingers | 15 Fingers | True Power

 

[Maitreya12]

Mahoraga sould also have another kind of invulnerability due to be made out of cursed energy, similar to curses

Unnamed fire arrow. Just put it as Fuga as anime says.

This explanation should be rewritten something like (Advanced Sorcerer: He is a Sorcerer whose Skills is one Par with Gojo and Kenjaku if not Superior)

Remove this NPI it's already exist in CE manipulation page

These power null and Homing attack also already listed in CE manipulation page so remove this

Innate domains are special things so I would prefer Chimera garden as Likely or possibly rating not solid.

Regarding keys. is True power refering to Hiean Era Sukuna or Meguna all together?

Profiles look amazing man. For Sukuna:

"Adaptation (With Mahoraga, Sukuna can use the summoning to adapt to any and all phenomena, kind of like a late throw in rock paper scissors. This power can also extend to the user of the summoning as well)." Bolded part should reworded to specify that the user can only bear the process of adaptation for Mahoraga, they don't actually get the adaptation power themselves

Shouldn't Resurrection be Transformation and Healing? Since he is not literally coming back from the dead, just manifesting into his true body and recovering himself

Agreed with all this and will apply all these recommendations as soon as I get the chance. Thank you all very much for the input. Much appreciated.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Sukuna’s keys imo should be

Key: 2-3 Fingers | 15 Fingers | True Power (Megumi's Body) | True Power (Prime)

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Agreed with all this and will apply all these recommendations as soon as I get the chance. Thank you all very much for the input. Much appreciated.

Forgot to tell one more thing. Mahogara should also get Cursed Energy manipulation (advanced Sorcerer) rating it was able to adapt to Sukuna and started using Cursed Energy.

Sukuna’s keys imo should be

Agree with this ^

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

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Add this to Sukuna profile

P&A section

Power Nullification (Sukuna can use Domain Amplification which neutralizes all cursed techniques when it comes into contact with.) Reference is chapter 235

Notable Attacks section

• Domain Amplification: This technique neutralizes all cursed techniques it comes into contact with; however, rather than remaining in a designated space, it acts as a fluid shield that covers the user's body completely, similar to an aura.

I guess other than this no Abilities are missing.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

"The King of Poisons" should be also removed when talking about the Sukuna's classification, since it was just the bad translation of Viz doing its job. Instead, it should be put the "Imaginary Demon" name

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Hello, could anyone tell me where this type 3 conceptual manipulation is on the verse powers page? I saw that sorcerers have resistance to CM3, but I didn't see CM3 on the cursed energy page or in the curses, at most in the barrier. Does their CM3 resistance come from the barrier?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Hello, could anyone tell me where this type 3 conceptual manipulation is on the verse powers page? I saw that sorcerers have resistance to CM3, but I didn't see CM3 on the cursed energy page or in the curses, at most in the barrier. Does their CM3 resistance come from the barrier?

Honestly some things should be removed or revised. @SunDaGamer is working on it so it's better to wait for any changes.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Yeah 90% will be removed

Your averange muscle guy with big stats will solos the verse

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Yeah 90% will be removed

Your averange muscle guy with big stats will solos the verse

90%? Wow.

 

[Duedate8898]

Ok, these are the profiles I have for Mahoraga's and Sukuna's profiles respectively:

Ryomen Sukuna profile sandbox

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Mahoraga profile Sandbox

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Whatcha think about them?

Why is Malevolent Shrine Unknown?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Why is Malevolent Shrine Unknown?

That rating should be removed. Cleave already covers I guess.

 

[Duedate8898]

No, Domain Expansion would just put Sukuna higher. Cause it's a domain expansion.

 

[StorytellingDemonKing]

Ok, these are the profiles I have for Mahoraga's and Sukuna's profiles respectively:

Ryomen Sukuna profile sandbox

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Mahoraga profile Sandbox

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Whatcha think about them?

Why should Sukuna have resistance to Purification and Holy Manipulation? He was burned to a crisp and full-on tweaking. Angel was about to use the technique again until Sukuna tricked her. At most it should be limited IMO, but even then it's probably a safer bet to remove it all together.

Also, is Black Flashes' spatial manipulation even combat-applicable or useful? Even so it put holes in him and heavily damaged him. Scans needed him resisting the spatial aspect of it. Cutting through Gojos infinity in no way should be mentioned as even support evidence for resistance.

Resistance to Mind, Perception and Paralysis should note that he still took brain damage and because of that wasn't able to open up his domain and use it, bleeding from the eyes. (Maybe just Limited resistance?)

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Also, is Black Flashes' spatial manipulation even combat-applicable or useful? Even so it put holes in him and heavily damaged him. Scans needed him resisting the spatial aspect of it. Cutting through Gojos infinity in no way should be mentioned as even support evidence for resistance.

It didn't put a hole in Sukuna. Also spatial manipulation we can see Agito body getting pierced by it. Same goes for Hanami & Eso. So it should work.

 

[StorytellingDemonKing]

It didn't put a hole in Sukuna. Also spatial manipulation we can see Agito body getting pierced by it. Same goes for Hanami & Eso. So it should work.

Ngl can you show scans for it? And scans should probably still be linked in the sandbox eitherway.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Ngl can you show scans for it? And scans should probably still be linked in the sandbox eitherway.

It's already in CE manipulation under Blackflash.
Also idk why the line for Cutting through Gojos infinity is even added to that resistance that line should be removed.

 

[StorytellingDemonKing]

It's already in CE manipulation under Blackflash.
Also idk why the line for Cutting through Gojos infinity is even added to that resistance that line should be removed.

Yeah, but I'm asking for scans of Sukuna resisting it's spatial manipulation effects, and whether or not it should be treated as combat applicable. The CE manipulation page even treats it as limited Spatial Manipulation.

And yeah, the strong cleave sentence needs to be yeeted.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Ok, these are the profiles I have for Mahoraga's and Sukuna's profiles respectively:

Ryomen Sukuna profile sandbox

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Mahoraga profile Sandbox

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Whatcha think about them?

Maho's stats section should be changed to what it is on the current profile

Mahoraga

Eight-Handled Sword Divergent Sila Divine General Mahoraga (八やつ握かの剣つるぎ異い戒かい神しん将しょう魔ま虚こ羅ら, Yatsuka-no-Tsurugi Ikaishinshō Makora?) is the most powerful shikigami of the Ten Shadows Technique. In order to summon this entity, an individual must stretch out both hands and recite the incantation...

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[EldemadeDityjon]

Yeah, but I'm asking for scans of Sukuna resisting it's spatial manipulation effects,

Spoiler

Agito getting pierced by Black flash

Eso

Hanami ( anime shows better if you want to check it out )

and whether or not it should be treated as combat applicable. The CE manipulation page even treats it as limited Spatial Manipulation.

Limited spatial manipulation is for Black flash because it only happens when Black flash is landed which we know not everyone can use it. But whovever resists it gets a solid rating. Attack is Limited because it's only affects when Blackflash is landed but that's not the same for Character who tanks it.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Maho's AP section says he's High 7-C after adapting, but is it really that or is it because Sukuna himself got stronger?

 

[eibwen]

damn
dr white has been cooking real good for the verse
but why does he keep trying to push buddhism into this tho

 

[Deceived3596]

People love delving into the highest forms of interpretations they can logically argue on this site.

More abilities, more scaling, more everything positive for the verse; it's a strong motivator.

 

[MusicRelaxing]

People love delving into the highest forms of interpretations they can logically argue on this site.

More abilities, more scaling, more everything positive for the verse; it's a strong motivator.

Yep. Fully agree, and when a catastrophic downgrade occurs like in Mario/Saiki K, some people straight up left before that. People like seeing their verse win and other stuff and not take one of the biggest fall offs of all time

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Yep. Fully agree, and when a catastrophic downgrade occurs like in Mario/Saiki K, some people straight up left before that. People like seeing their verse win and other stuff and not take one of the biggest fall offs of all time

oh, did those Saiki downgrades go through?

 

[Maitreya12]

Why should Sukuna have resistance to Purification and Holy Manipulation? He was burned to a crisp and full-on tweaking. Angel was about to use the technique again until Sukuna tricked her. At most it should be limited IMO, but even then it's probably a safer bet to remove it all together.

Sukuna was able to talk to Hana and even trick her while showing very little signs of damage while still in the middle of being in her attack mind you. So I thought that would apply to some type of resistance to her abilities at least a bit.

Resistance to Mind, Perception and Paralysis should note that he still took brain damage and because of that wasn't able to open up his domain and use it, bleeding from the eyes. (Maybe just Limited resistance?)

That was only after like the 5th exposure to unlimited void. Remember, Sukuna used
Megumi to take the full brunt of UV 5 times already, so Sukuna should have resistances to these types of things by having Megumi tank the attack aimed at his mind instead of Sukuna himself.

 

[MusicRelaxing]

oh, did those Saiki downgrades go through?

There was a new one, DontTalkDT himself made it; essentially was a massive nerf as a bunch of stuff was deemed non-canon. I'm not aware if it went through tho.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Maho's AP section says he's High 7-C after adapting, but is it really that or is it because Sukuna himself got stronger?

Base Mahos AP should be around 8-A and with adaptation go-to H7-C.

 

[StorytellingDemonKing]

Sukuna was able to talk to Hana and even trick her while showing very little signs of damage while still in the middle of being in her attack mind you. So I thought that would apply to some type of resistance to her abilities at least a bit.

The 1st one worked. The 2nd one wasn't even fired. (I think?) Sukuna interrupted her before she could blow the horn. He more so seems to have regenerated the damage and interrupted her before she could continue. At least that's what it seems. The fact that he was still heavily damage at most should indicate its limited if not non-existent IMO.

That was only after like the 5th exposure to unlimited void. Remember, Sukuna used
Megumi to take the full brunt of UV 5 times already, so Sukuna should have resistances to these types of things by having Megumi tank the attack aimed at his mind instead of Sukuna himself.

I mean, all of those were simply redirected to his soul. This more so implies limited resistance as he can't exactly shrug it off completely. If anything, you're even admitting that after as much damage as Megumis soul could take, the 6th UV (or less?) redirected back to Sukuna and it worked. (or more precisely, even if Megumis soul takes the burden, his brain still gets damaged overtime)

Hell, right after it's stated that neither Megumis soul nor Sukuna himself has adapted to it's effects:

The only reason this didn't end the fight here was because Gojo had taken enough brain-damage himself from overusing Domain Expansion. So, like I mentioned before IMO it should be Limited at most since there are set amount he can actually "take" and even then, he was bleeding through his eyes due to taking enough damage. Someone who actually completely resists UV's effects would be fine.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

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I have suggestions for AP like this.

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If you want to create a key for his Hiean Era

Hiean Era | 3F Sukuna | 15F Sukuna (Yuji/Megumi) | Meguna

Spoiler

Attack Potency: At least Large Town level (More powerful than his 15 fingers form.[Note 2] In the Golden Age of Jujutsu, Jujutsu Sorcerers had sharpened their skills against him but were ultimately defeated. Stronger than Rika, according to Gege Akutami. Defeated Angel , Five Generals and Uros Squad. Should be comparable to Meguna if not Superior); Higher with chants, Small City level with Fuga; Varies with Cleave & his Cursed Tools | At least Multi-City Block level (Immensely more powerful than and entirely overpowered and killed Finger Bearer. One shot Mahito with a casual attack. Who can fight on par with Nanami and take hits from Yuji. Shibuya Incident Arc Mahito was fully aware that if Sukuna used Itadori's body, he would lose, at which point he was already planning to use the true essence of his soul. Should be comparable to Base Mahoraga as Sukuna admitted he might have lost indicating there was a 50/50 chances of winning. Which also put Sukuna to Comparable if not Superior to Jogo); Varies with Cleave (Can be adjusted based on the target's toughness and cursed energy level for cutting them down in one fell swoop); Higher with Malevolent Shrine (Instantly killed the Finger Bearer and split it into multiple pieces, despite Sukuna believing it would be split only into three pieces) | At least Small Town level (Easily overpowered Jogo & Keep up with Mahoraga despite it being constantly adapting to his attacks. Superior to Ryu Ishigori & Uro which would put him above Yuta & Rika), Small City level with Open (Completely vaporized Mahoraga and a large portion of Shibuya); Varies with Cleave | At least Large Town level (Comparable to Gojo, Can throw hands against him); Higher with True form (Called as Perfection by Narrative which should put his true form atleast stronger than Megumi body in everything, additionally Additional mouth would constantly boost his spells), Small City level with Fuga; Varies with Cleave & Cursed Tool.

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If you don't want to create Hiean Era Key

3F Sukuna | 15F Sukuna (Yuji/Megumi) | Meguna

Spoiler

Attack Potency: At least Multi-City Block level (Immensely more powerful than and entirely overpowered and killed Finger Bearer. One shot Mahito with a casual attack. Who can fight on par with Nanami and take hits from Yuji. Shibuya Incident Arc Mahito was fully aware that if Sukuna used Itadori's body, he would lose, at which point he was already planning to use the true essence of his soul. Should be comparable to Base Mahoraga as Sukuna admitted he might have lost indicating there was a 50/50 chances of winning. Which also put Sukuna to Comparable if not Superior to Jogo); Varies with Cleave (Can be adjusted based on the target's toughness and cursed energy level for cutting them down in one fell swoop); Higher with Malevolent Shrine (Instantly killed the Finger Bearer and split it into multiple pieces, despite Sukuna believing it would be split only into three pieces) | At least Small Town level (Easily overpowered Jogo & Keep up with Mahoraga despite it being constantly adapting to his attacks. Superior to Ryu Ishigori & Uro which would put him above Yuta & Rika), Small City level with Open (Completely vaporized Mahoraga and a large portion of Shibuya); Varies with Cleave | At least Large Town level (Comparable to Gojo, Can throw hands against him); Higher with True form (Called as Perfection by Narrative which should put his true form atleast stronger than Megumi body in everything, additionally Additional mouth would constantly boost his spells. In the Golden Age of Jujutsu, Jujutsu Sorcerers had sharpened their skills against him but were ultimately defeated. Stronger than Rika, according to Gege Akutami. With this body he defeated Angel , Five Generals and Uros Squad.), Small City level with Fuga; Varies with Cleave & Cursed Tool.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

You can spice it up for 15F Sukuna even more with something like

Ryu started sweating just by perceiving the presence of 15F Sukuna, where he was unimpressed by Yuta's presence, output, and Cursed Energy, despite knowing Yuta had boundless CE compared to him. Uro got PTSD, can clash with Yorozu, is superior to Kenjaku, and had to protect his ass from Gojo. He's superior to Uraume. Even with his CE output dropped to less than 10%, he was still able to single-handedly handle Yuji and fully awakened Maki.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Yep. Fully agree, and when a catastrophic downgrade occurs like in Mario/Saiki K, some people straight up left before that. People like seeing their verse win and other stuff and not take one of the biggest fall offs of all time

Honestly, no Saiki case was expected.

DDT already showed that it didn't think some things were canonical months ago in the first big wave of updates.

Furthermore, he makes a huge update involving CM3 and Info 2, but he uses a game, and does not make any reasoning as to why the game is canonical.

I even asked several questions and he didn't answer any.

So DDT goes there and does the crt on canonicity.

No supporters showed up, so it's their problem, since as far as I know it's the first crt talking about Saiki's canonicity.

 

[Maitreya12]

I mean, all of those were simply redirected to his soul. This more so implies limited resistance as he can't exactly shrug it off completely. If anything, you're even admitting that after as much damage as Megumis soul could take, the 6th UV (or less?) redirected back to Sukuna and it worked. (or more precisely, even if Megumis soul takes the burden, his brain still gets damaged overtime)

Hell, right after it's stated that neither Megumis soul nor Sukuna himself has adapted to it's effects:

I specify that it’s due to a redirection of the soul in the profile, and this allowed Sukuna to shrug off several unlimited voids that were going on for several minutes straight each time. Also Sukuna’s brain wasn’t damage from the previous UV because Megumi’s soul took too much damage, it was because he activated his DE later than Gojo did so he himself took the UV and his brain was damaged because of that one singular UV that he took.

Also it was because Mahoraga only “processed” UV, which was the whole point of the procedure for Sukuna to do. He wasn’t trying to adapt to UV himself so idk why bring that up?

 

[Maitreya12]

Base Mahos AP should be around 8-A and with adaptation go-to H7-C.

Should I just have 2 separate keys for Mahoraga? Because we know the Shikigami got stronger under Sukuna’s control and he appears noticeably bigger and beefier than he was in Shibuya.

 

[StorytellingDemonKing]

I specify that it’s due to a redirection of the soul in the profile, and this allowed Sukuna to shrug off several unlimited voids that were going on for several minutes straight each time. Also Sukuna’s brain wasn’t damage from the previous UV because Megumi’s soul took too much damage, it was because he activated his DE later than Gojo did so he himself took the UV and his brain was damaged because of that one singular UV that he took.

So yeah, it should be "limited" Resistance as you describe it.

Also it was because Mahoraga only “processed” UV, which was the whole point of the procedure for Sukuna to do. He wasn’t trying to adapt to UV himself so idk why bring that up?

To add as to why it in no way works as a solid resistance.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Should I just have 2 separate keys for Mahoraga? Because we know the Shikigami got stronger under Sukuna’s control and he appears noticeably bigger and beefier than he was in Shibuya.

This is what I was thinking