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In that case15F Sukuna was faster and clash hand with Gojo who just got out of Prison Realm meanwhile Uraume got one shoted by Gojo
I believe there was a discussion about Sukuna directly scaling to Fire Arrow but I guess physically he should be atleast 7CIn that case
15 Finger Sukuna: 7-C, Low 7-B with Open; Varies with Cleave
AP: Town level+, Small City level with Open
Uraume: 7-C
AP: Town level
Isn’t it stated somewhere that red output’s twice the amount of power that blue does?Aight Upgrade threads about to go up just need some finalization on the tiers and how it would look on their profiles
Here's what I would put
Gojo: Low 7-B, higher with Red and Blue, far higher with Hollow Purple and Black Flash
AP: Small City level, higher with Red and Blue, far higher with Hollow Purple and Black Flash, Small City level+ with Hollow Purple Chants and Utahime
Sukuna (Meguna): Low 7-B; Varies with Cleave
AP: Small City level
15 Finger Sukuna: Low 7-C, Low 7-B with Open; Varies with Cleave
AP: Small Town level, Small City level with Open
Hajime Kashimo: Low 7-C, Low 7-B with Innate Technique
AP: Small Town level, Small City level with Innate Technique
These are all that I'd know who would scale to it
Also my Ice Calcs has actually been accepted this time so that could work as supporting evidence for the new ratings
Speaking of that
Is there anything implying that 15 finger Sukuna is superior to Uraume? I feel like there should be something but it's been a while since I read the manga
Isn’t it stated somewhere that red output’s twice the amount of power that blue does?
Please put a slider on the P&A section that is way too longSyShey/sandbox
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Gojo sandbox I haven't updated in a while
Bruh add Cursed Energy manipulation and replace the bulk P&a shitSyShey/sandbox
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Gojo sandbox I haven't updated in a while
Anyone working on finger Bearer profile? Otherwise I will cook that too.
bump. what does Maki scale toDoes Maki downscale from the Fire Arrow calc?
I hope I'm not too late but... I really think 15 Finger Sukuna should scale off of Jogo's Maximum Meteor. By himself, he's already >>> JogoAight Upgrade threads about to go up just need some finalization on the tiers and how it would look on their profiles
Here's what I would put
Gojo: Low 7-B, higher with Red and Blue, far higher with Hollow Purple and Black Flash
AP: Small City level, higher with Red and Blue, far higher with Hollow Purple and Black Flash, Small City level+ with Hollow Purple Chants and Utahime
Sukuna (Meguna): Low 7-B; Varies with Cleave
AP: Small City level
15 Finger Sukuna: Low 7-C, Low 7-B with Open; Varies with Cleave
AP: Small Town level, Small City level with Open
Hajime Kashimo: Low 7-C, Low 7-B with Innate Technique
AP: Small Town level, Small City level with Innate Technique
These are all that I'd know who would scale to it
Also my Ice Calcs has actually been accepted this time so that could work as supporting evidence for the new ratings
Speaking of that
Is there anything implying that 15 finger Sukuna is superior to Uraume? I feel like there should be something but it's been a while since I read the manga
I don't know how to do that, I made most of it on mobile, can you assist me with that?Please put a slider on the P&A section that is way too long
But we don't know to what extent the damage would beI hope I'm not too late but... I really think 15 Finger Sukuna should scale off of Jogo's Maximum Meteor. By himself, he's already >>> Jogo
And Jogo stated his meteor would be able to hurt him, but nothing beyond that. Given how close these results are to his Fire Arrow (And how Sukuna tanked his Low 7-B attack), and there was no implication he'd die from the meteor (With Jogo having the intent of recruiting Sukuna), I feel it'd be fine to scale them to the 4 Megaton value of Maximum Meteor.
Speaking of Maximum Meteor, what ever happened to the calc of it being able to turn an entire town into ashes?
Then couldn't we just assume it as an upper bound? It's only 2x his own feat which he tanked with zero damage...But we don't know to what extent the damage would be
As we've seen Sukuna can take attacks way above his durability and still come out alive
Sukuna saying he wouldn't survive without damage could mean anything from a scratch to losing his arm and half his torso like when he tanked hollow purple
It's just safer to scale him this way than to assume a hypothetical
We know because of the passive effect of Jogo's domain which Gojo defended against without Infinity.
Probably, since most of them do have cursed techniques and attack physically, it'd be odd if they weren't using cursed energy generally.Probably a dumb question but does Mahoraga (or shikigamis in general) wield cursed energy to enhance their body? I do know he uses positive energy and cursed energy with his sword but does he envelop his body with it?
PossiblyThen couldn't we just assume it as an upper bound?
The attack wasn't aimed at Sukuna it was aimed at MahoragaIt's only 2x his own feat which he tanked with zero damage...
In this context the use of some damage doesn't really denote little damageI also think it's more assumptious to assume that Jogo stating "Even Sukuna must've suffered some damage from that" implies extreme levels of damage. "Some" isn't an attack that blows your arm off and incinerates half of your torso. That's a LOT of damage. Some seems implicative of minor damage.
latter makes sense to me2. Hollow Purple is at least as strong as the sum of it's parts which is both Blue and Red since it's only by combining them that the effect is achieved
Scaling: 2.03 Megatons, 4.06 Megatons with Red, 6.09 Megatons with Purple, 10.962 Megatons with Hollow Purple Chant, 18.27 Megatons with 200% Hollow Purple
Idk why Square Cube law would apply to a fire attack. For an explosion that explodes omnidirectionally it makes sense. For a fire attack the shoots straight up with a wide cylindrical base, it doesn't make much sense. If we want to use Inverse square law, the same should be done for the destruction it caused, which raises the result of the feat. Then use square cube law to get Sukuna's durability. It'd be hypocrisy to do otherwise.The attack wasn't aimed at Sukuna it was aimed at Mahoraga
Unless we wanna square cube law it Mahoraga should be the only one who took the full portion of the attack and it vaporized him
I would like to note that while "some" can be used to refer to an unspecified amount, one of its definition are explicitly "a little" bit of something. So it still seems weird to interpret it as possibly causing fatal damage. If the attack wasn't going to kill or one-shot (K.O. or incapacitate) Sukuna, then it seems more than fine to assume it's an upper bound for Sukuna bare minimum.In this context the use of some damage doesn't really denote little damage
It's like saying "In the middle of that storm the boat must have suffered some damage" which is just a general statement and not specifically denoting minor damage
Also I already talked with Life about this a while ago and he agreed with me about using a 4.5 end due to the lack of building damage and knocked over objects
Which would make the attack High 7-C
Idk why Square Cube law would apply to a fire attack. For an explosion that explodes omnidirectionally it makes sense. For a fire attack the shoots straight up with a wide cylindrical base, it doesn't make much sense.
I'm not gonna argue with this since I already agree with the reasoning in the upgrade thread as to why Sukuna should scale fullyIf we want to use Inverse square law, the same should be done for the destruction it caused, which raises the result of the feat. Then use square cube law to get Sukuna's durability. It'd be hypocrisy to do otherwise.
Mahoraga was weakened and in the process of regenerating. Tbh, it seemed like Sukuna was solidly above Mahoraga throughout their entire fight. So it's not an issue if it vaporizes Mahoraga.
Yes but it's equally plausible that the other definition could be used hereI would like to note that while "some" can be used to refer to an unspecified amount, one of its definition are explicitly "a little" bit of something.
Good cause that's not what I'm interpreting it asSo it still seems weird to interpret it as possibly causing fatal damage.
I'd like to see the raws firstIf the attack wasn't going to kill or one-shot (K.O. or incapacitate) Sukuna, then it seems more than fine to assume it's an upper bound for Sukuna bare minimum.
Pretty sure someone made a calc with that though it was debunked, could be wrong thoughI'm surprised a recalc hasn't been made in that case. However, the attack being stated to have the capability to vaporize an entire town should also be considered. That would more than likely net around City level results.
Some people were dismissive of it because if it supposedly had that power, it should've destroyed the buildings in Shibuya.Pretty sure someone made a calc with that though it was debunked, could be wrong though
So it neither accepted nor rejected?We haven't done anything with it last I checked