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(JTTW) Sun Wukong CRT

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Greatsage13th said:
You can't fate hax someone that that doesn't doesn't doesn't doesn't doesn't doesn't exist.

Edit: wukong has fate resistance.
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It's coming from someone who also doesn't doesn't doesn't doesn't doesn't doesn't exist lol

Not at that potency lol
 
Greatsage13th said:
Pretty sure he has several layers of nep type 2 and 3.

It's basically like no no no no nonexistence instead of the typical no nonexistence. It's extremely rare to find a character that has that level of NPI to deal with this BS.
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I don't recall anyone on this thread agreeing to "several layers" of Nonexistent Physiology at all.
 
Planck69 said:
What exactly does this mean?
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You can fit an infinite amount of 4D spaces in a 5D space.l because they lack a dimensional vector the latter has. I just do not see why a multiverse that doesn't have some form of transcendence qualify for High 1-B.
Antvasima said:
Would you be willing to explain your respective arguments, so I can ask some other staff members to help out with evaluating them?
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A universe with 4D properties containing other universes with 4D properties without being conceptually superior is not evidence for High 1-B. It's why the marble aliens from Men in Black are only 3-A despite more or less having the same justification. Just containing something isn't evidence of transcendence.

If they've adjusted the reasoning to be something besides universes within other universes I guess that's a different story.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
You can fit an infinite amount of 4D spaces in a 5D space.l because they lack a dimensional vector the latter has. I just do not see why a multiverse that doesn't have some form of transcendence qualify for High 1-B.
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I'm pretty sure we did away with this reasoning ages ago. A 5-dimensional space isn't larger than a 4-dimensional space by default. But anyway;

You understand why a timeline is Low 2-C right? Now, instead of the 3-dimensional stars, galaxies, people etc. existing as uncountably infinite snapshots in time and thus being equal to a large sized 4-dimensional space, it's now universes existing as uncountably infinite snapshots in time and thus being equal to a large sized 5-dimensional space. Which is Low 1-C, as per the Tiering System FAQ page describing how that many lower dimensional spaces are equivalent to a higher dimensional space.

This then repeats itself on and on without end and the equivalent dimensional size grows higher and higher.
Qawsedf234 said:
A universe with 4D properties containing other universes with 4D properties without being conceptually superior is not evidence for High 1-B. It's why the marble aliens from Men in Black are only 3-A despite more or less having the same justification. Just containing something isn't evidence of transcendence.
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The Marble Aliens seem to directly share the same timeline as the universe far as I'm aware (e;se they'd be Low 2-C) and wouldn't really be relevant to this sort of thing anyway.
 
Planck69 said:
You understand why a timeline is Low 2-C right?
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A timeline is Low 2-C because of size and 3-Dimensional objects following the same linear progression forward because of the fourth dimension.
Planck69 said:
This then repeats itself on and on without end and the equivalent dimensional size grows higher and higher.
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But I'm not seeing this. They're just smaller 4th dimensional objects existing in a larger 4th dimensional object. None of the scans provided have shown the bare minimum level of transcendence to get High 1-B in my view.

Unless the scaling is relying on something in conjunction in terms of universal containment I'm not seeing this as anything more than a 2-A or Low 1-C feat.
Planck69 said:
wouldn't really be relevant to this sort of thing anyway.
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They are relevant because I'm not seeing anything that notable separates the two besides having a large amount of upscaling.
 
Planck69 said:
I believe that a recursion like this can equate to an infinite hierarchy but not always.

Since a space-time continuum exists as a grain of sand in a higher space-time continuum, it would thus act as an object embedded in that other space-time continuum's timeline and thus have uncountably infinite snapshots of itself across the latter's time, much like how a regular timeline is Low 2-C and equated to a large 4-dimensional space for having the equivalent of uncountably infinite amounts of the 3-dimensional objects within it exist across its time.

That would be the case here except instead of 3-dimensional objects like galaxies and stars, it's universal space-times and this repeats itself over and over without end.
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Qawsedf234 said:
A universe with 4D properties containing other universes with 4D properties without being conceptually superior is not evidence for High 1-B. It's why the marble aliens from Men in Black are only 3-A despite more or less having the same justification. Just containing something isn't evidence of transcendence.

If they've adjusted the reasoning to be something besides universes within other universes I guess that's a different story.
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@SomebodyData @Celestial_Pegasus @Wokistan @Elizhaa @ByAsura

Would you be willing to help evaluate what we should do here please?
 
Planck69 said:
He has Nonexistent Physiology as a Buddha but no more than that. Not even mentioning how "layered" NEP is complete nonsense.
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If it's there, it's there. No matter how ridiculous it sounds. They already stated that no no emptiness is not true emptiness so you have to assume that it's layered.
 
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Planck69 said:
No, I don't have to assume anything. You can assume all you wish, no one here formally accepted this.
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If it's there, it's there. No matter how ridiculous it sounds. They already stated that no no emptiness is not true emptiness so it's basically a higher level of type 2 and 3, and not an assumption nor flowery language.

So correct me if I'm wrong (I'm very muddle headed so if you could, please explain why it isn't a higher level of Nep) I apologize for not being able to differentiate acknowledge and assume. I keep mixing these 2 words up.
 
Greatsage13th said:
If it's there, it's there. No matter how ridiculous it sounds. They already stated that no no emptiness is not true emptiness so it's basically a higher level of type 2 and 3, and not an assumption nor flowery language.

So correct me if I'm wrong (I'm very muddle headed so if you could, please explain why it isn't a higher level of Nep) I apologize for not being able to differentiate acknowledge and assume. I keep mixing these 2 words up.
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Which isn't something we equate to "more nonexistent". At best its Transduality.
 
And besides, that's what type 3 NEP does, its NEP that doesn't make any sense like what you said, there's no such thing as "more nonexistent" so it falls under type 3 NEP. Simple as that. So I'll just take a deep pause and wait for the others.
 
ActuallySpaceMan said:
Ya basically. I did calcs for the Five-Phase Mountain splitting, Mountain Shaking, and Planetary Storm. But they need to be checked first.
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If you guys wondering, i also need these calc members to be pinged for evaluating the calc:
Veloxt1r0kore said:
@Planck69 Can you ping these calc members again, for helping us making the calc for Wukong lower feats:
@Psychomaster35 @Armorchompy @Migue79 @KLOL506 @DragonGamerZ913 @AbaddonTheDisappointment @KieranH10
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If not Planck then maybe @Qawsedf234 , can you call them?
 
If you link to all of your calculations that are relevant to this thread in a single post, I can ask a few calc group members to evaluate them.
 
I want to ask where is the main universe (4-D); it is the upper layer or at the lowest layer, just checking?
If the universe is an upper layer, I guess the lower hierarchy would be Tier 11, not High 1-B.
If the main universe is in a bottom layer, I guess High 1-B seems valid.

Also, I think the reference chapters should be posted or stated because it is hard to search and verified the sources/contexts since there are multiple translations with different out there.
 
Elizhaa said:
I want to ask where is the main universe (4-D); it is the upper layer or at the lowest layer, just checking?
If the universe is an upper layer, I guess the lower hierarchy would be Tier 11, not High 1-B.
If the main universe is in a bottom layer, I guess High 1-B seems valid.
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Well the pure lands is transcendental of the universe, so the universe is definitely a layer below. (Correct me if I'm wrong @ActuallySpaceMan )
 
Elizhaa said:
I want to ask where is the main universe (4-D); it is the upper layer or at the lowest layer, just checking?
If the universe is an upper layer, I guess the lower hierarchy would be Tier 11, not High 1-B.
If the main universe is in a bottom layer, I guess High 1-B seems valid.

Also, I think the reference chapters should be posted or stated because it is hard to search and verified the sources/contexts since there are multiple translations with different out there.
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Every Buddha Land is within a grain of sand, meaning even the one in the main JTTW Storyverse would be. So ya they are not at the top or bottom they are just somewhere in the High 1-B Structure. There's nothing in the novel stating they are at the top of it or anything. This thread basically explains all of it. I'll add references to it so it's easier to search up stuff.
 
So theoretically, if literally, no one volunteers to check the calcs for weeks on end what would happen?
 
While I am completely neutral on this CRT, I have a question.

Why are we using modern cosmology theories to a old novel that never use any of the more modern cosmological theories and just considered there being a single universe IIRC.

We talking about the time that was set before we got Tier 1s and is at least around Tier 3 to 2 as the past cosmological model was a bit different compared to what we have today for that matter.
 
HammerStrikes219 said:
While I am completely neutral on this CRT, I have a question.

Why are we using modern cosmology theories to a old novel that never use any of the more modern cosmological theories and just considered there being a single universe IIRC.

We talking about the time that was set before we got Tier 1s and is at least around Tier 3 to 2 as the past cosmological model was a bit different compared to what we have today for that matter.
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Because as long as the cosmology fits with a modern tiering system, we can tier the novel with no problems.
 
Greatsage13th said:
Because as long as the cosmology fits with a modern tiering system, we can tier the novel with no problems.
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Not sure on this as Buddhism always involves a singular universe. Not more nor less for that matter.

Also as a result, I have mixed feelings on whatever this is truly Tier 1 or not as tiering system aside.
 
HammerStrikes219 said:
Not sure on this as Buddhism always involves a singular universe. Not more nor less for that matter.

Also as a result, I have mixed feelings on whatever this is truly Tier 1 or not as tiering system aside.
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The Mahayana Buddhism Cosmology is surprisingly compatible with Vs Battle. They talk about atoms, space and time, dualities all kinds of stuff, Universes and Hierarchies. People just tend to assume that because it was an earlier period they had really limited views on what fantastical words could be.

Of course, we didn't use any of that in the profile, but better to know than not to.
 
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