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JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Discussion Thread IV: Diamond is Unbreakable

SlendVeny said:
He hit Polnareff before Hanged Man could.
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You realize Hanged Man doest inherently scale to lightspeed in the mirror, that's while moving. Secondly, bro was deliberately going slow to be menacing.

It isn't like he was rushing to attack, he was encroaching Pol slowly to scare the shit out of him, holding the blade up to him and watching how he reacted.
CBslayeR said:
Do you have scans of them reacting to the sun? Can't find it.
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They literally warn him that something is heading towards him and bro could barely get ES out. Imagine the second page was the 3rd page.
 
I just realized method of transport used by the stardust crusaders gets killed or destroyed
the ******* camels man why did it have to happen
 
that's the joke, every method of travel they used gets ****** up, every time
 
Chariot190 said:
You realize Hanged Man doest inherently scale to lightspeed in the mirror, that's while moving. Secondly, bro was deliberately going slow to be menacing.

It isn't like he was rushing to attack, he was encroaching Pol slowly to scare the shit out of him, holding the blade up to him and watching how he reacted.



They literally warn him that something is heading towards him and bro could barely get ES out. Imagine the second page was the 3rd page.
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Doesn't a Stand get weaker as it moves away from the user?
 
SlendVeny said:
Doesn't a Stand get weaker as it moves away from the user?
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Yes, with the exception of Hierophant Green and mos automatics, and most long ranges, and tbh, a handful of others too. this rule is mostly for short distance types one of its main attributes is that it doesn't abide by that rule for the most part it's said like 10 times tbh
 
ZillertheBucko said:
I was under the impression that hierophant had the longest effective range
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With the exception of automatic Stands or like The Lovers, he very well might tbh.

Though then again, "he does except these 20 dudes", isn't exactly a good sign.
 
Your best bet for Kakyoin to get MFTL is just from his scaling to other characters and Hol not reacting to him shooting Pol out of the way. (the latter could just be PIS)
 
The longest effective range would be the like, the ten stands with a stated infinite effective range like Sheer Heart Attack or BIG.

Stand with the longest attack range though is Act 4 obviously.
CBslayeR said:
Your best bet for Kakyoin to get MFTL is just from his scaling to other characters and Hol not reacting to him shooting Pol out of the way. (the latter could just be PIS)
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Bro legitimately can't scale to Dio level dudes as it'd create a circular scaling chain as Dio and the top dudes view him in slow motion casually if you calced it'd they'd legit be a good few hundred times above him.
And if he can't scale to Dio, he can't scale to Plat.

That's not even getting into the HG slander because he has quite a few anti-statement in guides and stuff.
ZillertheBucko said:
I meant of the crusaders, sorry
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Easily. Only feat that gives him issue is Part 4 Hermit Purple finding RHCP statement.
 
CBslayeR said:
Kakyoin should just be fully 8-C
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He absolutely shouldn't wtf.

A held-back punch from an early Plat that was calced at 9-A made him spray blood and Plat explicitly could have crushed his skull with one hand but Jotaro opted not to. He's stated verbatim in guides to be very weak physically among Stands in general and that he makes up for it due to utility. He himself doesn't have any 8-C feats or direct 8-C scaling to anyone.

Emerald Splash should be High 8-C tho.
 
Chariot190 said:
Bro legitimately can't scale to Dio level dudes as it'd create a circular scaling chain as Dio and the top dudes view him in slow motion casually if you calced it'd they'd legit be a good few hundred times above him.
And if he can't scale to Dio, he can't scale to Plat.
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Hol Horse is nowhere near Dio.
 
SlendVeny said:
Hol Horse is nowhere near Dio.
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Hol Horse is arguably the fastest human in the verse alongside Rohan. You grossly underestimate him, Hol is faster than an armorless Chariot (who Kakyoin can't even perceive properly).
 
I’m starting to think that pol said kakyoin was fast not cause of raw speed, but because the combined barrage of rela+ projectiles are something that you can’t really deal with unless you’re a mftl tier, and even then it’ll leave you completely occupied
 
Chariot190 said:
He absolutely shouldn't wtf.

A held-back punch from an early Plat that was calced at 9-A made him spray blood and Plat explicitly could have crushed his skull with one hand but Jotaro opted not to. He's stated verbatim in guides to be very weak physically among Stands in general and that he makes up for it due to utility. He himself doesn't have any 8-C feats or direct 8-C scaling to anyone.

Emerald Splash should be High 8-C tho.
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Pretty sure even Early Plat is High 8-C, we don't have any statements of any of the crusaders getting drastically stronger as the part goes on (outside of the DIO fight, which lol everyone dead).

Dio even calls Hermit Purple "The weakest stand." and then proceeds to merely FLEX and completely destroy his grip. We have HP listed as 8-C and HG did take a hit directly from The World (no idea where the casual part comes from, he was deadass just going straight for the kill on every crusader throughout the entire fight)

I think taking a full beatdown from an early Plat (who should be 8-C minimum), absorbing enough of the impact to cause a 9-A explosion, and taking a hit from TW is pretty solid case for it imo.




Emerald Splash should be High 8-C for sure.
 
CBslayeR said:
Pretty sure even Early Plat is High 8-C, we don't have any statements of any of the crusaders getting drastically stronger as the part goes on (outside of the DIO fight, which lol everyone dead).

Dio even calls Hermit Purple "The weakest stand." and then proceeds to merely FLEX and completely destroy his grip. We have HP listed as 8-C and HG did take a hit directly from The World (no idea where the casual part comes from, he was deadass just going straight for the kill on every crusader throughout the entire fight)

I think taking a full beatdown from an early Plat (who should be 8-C minimum), absorbing enough of the impact to cause a 9-A explosion, and taking a hit from TW is pretty solid case for it imo.




Emerald Splash should be High 8-C for sure.
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the further away a stand gets from the user (close range stand) the weaker and slower it gets. and HG was like 10m away or something so not really true.
 
CBslayeR said:
he was deadass just going straight for the kill on every crusader throughout the entire fight)
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Oh no it’s Jotaro, one of the smartest, the fastest, and strongest crusader, and the current main character of the Joestar bloodline. I think I’m going to start by comparing how fast I can punch
Also him moving Polnareff down the ******* stairs 🗿
 
CBslayeR said:
TW's effective range is 10 meters. Kak was fully in range of TW when he got hit.
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his most effective range is when he's within 2m. why else do you think he can trade blow for blow with SP and be stronger whereas he couldn't pulverize hg to nothing? why do you think DIO mentioned that HG was too far away? 🤨
 
ZillertheBucko said:
Oh no it’s Jotaro, one of the smartest, the fastest, and strongest crusader, and the current main character of the Joestar bloodline. I think I’m going to start by comparing how fast I can punch
Also him moving Polnareff down the ******* stairs 🗿
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He toyed with Jotaro only because their stands were similar, and we wanted to prove himself superior.

The instant he got bored he went straight for the kill before Jotaro started moving in stopped time.

For Polnareff he wanted to try and rizz him back to his side.

Joseph himself even said they were all gonna die if they stayed where his coffin was too. Dio was not trolling
 
Pretty sure even Early Plat is High 8-C, we don't have any statements of any of the crusaders getting drastically stronger as the part goes on (outside of the DIO fight, which lol everyone dead).
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We do though? Plat gets stronger after every fight.
Dio even calls Hermit Purple "The weakest stand." and then proceeds to merely FLEX and completely destroy his grip.
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That is true, it is the weakest Stand of the main group.
We have HP listed as 8-C and HG did take a hit directly from The World (no idea where the casual part comes from, he was deadass just going straight for the kill on every crusader throughout the entire fight)
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The former ain't staying brother, the latter, was casual as ****. Just because he was going to kill them doesn't mean it wasn't casual, at all. And see below.

I think taking a full beatdown from an early Plat (who should be 8-C minimum),
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He is 8-C, issue is they EXPLICITLY NOTE he is holding back and if he wanted to, he could kill him instantly. The guides then double down on this and call HG weak. We are talking about Star Platinum, a Stand NOTORIOUS for holding back its strength as to not kill, in the same chapter Jotaro says he could easily kill him, goes on to showcase this physically by denting its skull with a light grip alone and say he won't kill him, merely knock him out and take him to Joseph for info, which is something he proceeds to do. And again, Plat, a Stand who can hold back so much, he can apply just enough force to incap a 10-C so weak it can't even move a hair.
absorbing enough of the impact to cause a 9-A explosion,
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The 9-A explosion is the result of the beatdown. And it floored him.
and taking a hit from TW is pretty solid case for it imo.
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A casual hit, at the maximum edge of its range mind you (Did you forget TW was 10m away from Dio when he punched HG? Doubly notable as TW is the Stand used in multiple instances of a Stand that gets weaker the further away it strays from the main body. As we know the power decrease is directly proportional to the distance, HG effectively got put on its ass by a low diff hit from a The World tens of times below standard strength).
Not only that, you'd be legit arguing that early Plat and Base TW doesn't have much of a difference given early Plat could manhandle HG.


Ya'll need to stop cooking and actually think this shit through.




As for speed.
Let me make this perfectly clear.

Kakyoin can not scale to Dio, he can not scale to Hol Horse, he can not scale to Armorless Chariot, he can not scale to Plat.
He arguably can not scale to Pol (has 3 instances of being slower than Pol).
He is noted to be on the lower end of stats.

He's blitzed constantly (Geb blitzed him for example, another case of him being slower than Jotaro or Plat).

HG is beaten out by lightspeed beams despite both Jotaro (who has a bunch of lightspeed statements, aka the thing Kak just got memed by) and Pol (has like two rel feats) warning him, immediately after, Chariot deflects 4 of those beams at the same time (Aka bro casually deflects attacks that just blitzed Kak and his best attack one page prior).

Also of course we have both Jotaro and Plat reacting to ES casually at the start of the manga and deflecting it (This is bad, this means ES scales below Chariot due to Set arc, ToG, Anubis, etc).
There's also Pol casually intercepting HG mid-attack and ko'ing him.

The best feat he has is intercepting Emperor, but Araki himself kills that scaling by making it Hol who's fast and Hol didn't opt to control his Stand in that scene, and even if he did it'd create an issue as that'd make Kak scale to Armorless Chariot which blitzes him badly previously and is above Pol and Base Chariot who have 3 instances of being above that very same move.

Obviously, the Dio stuff where Dio treats HG as such a non-threat it isn't even funny, who is below Plat in speed.

Emerald is hilariously below Tower of Gray, who's below Anubis in speed (Guide stuff and Jotaro himself straight up says it's the fastest Stand he's fought yet), who is only a bit faster than base Chariot (not blitz worthy) yet still below Mid Plat in speed. Notwithstanding end of part Plat straightup upscales off ToG.

HG is shown twice to be equal in speed with Hermit Purple, a Stand noted to be, well, pretty bad in all stats.

And that's just some of the issues.
 
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TheGunsFinalWrath said:
his most effective range is when he's within 2m. why else do you think he can trade blow for blow with SP and be stronger whereas he couldn't pulverize hg to nothing? why do you think DIO mentioned that HG was too far away? 🤨
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CBslayeR said:
He toyed with Jotaro only because their stands were similar, and we wanted to prove himself superior.

The instant he got bored he went straight for the kill before Jotaro started moving in stopped time.

For Polnareff he wanted to try and rizz him back to his side.

Joseph himself even said they were all gonna die if they stayed where his coffin was too. Dio was not trolling
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This is true, but I think you're overestimating how much effort he put into wanting Kak dead.

Kak was a non-issue to him.
Kak's strongest attack (explicitly noted to be way above its main stats), was slow mo'd and casually deflect by DIO himself, with one finger, and then one hand casually, no effort.

Think about this, Dio can casually **** with HG's highest output with one finger, and you think he scales to The World who could manhandle Dio himself?
 
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