JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Discussion Thread IV: Diamond is Unbreakable

[Yasuda_144]

I mean yeah, sometimes you just gotta go "it's just Araki being Araki" I guess. Like with everything involving Metallica, I don't think it makes much sense for a person to have like a kilogram's worth of iron in their body or more but if the amount was realistic Metallica would be a very boring Stand visually.

There's certainly more outlandish feats out there that we use and calc regardless of the wonkiness from a realistic PoV.

 

[Chariot190]

I mean yeah, sometimes you just gotta go "it's just Araki being Araki" I guess. Like with everything involving Metallica, I don't think it makes much sense for a person to have like a kilogram's worth of iron in their body or more but if the amount was realistic Metallica would be a very boring Stand visually.

There's certainly more outlandish feats out there that we use and calc regardless of the wonkiness from a realistic PoV.

Even looking into it, the way they talk, it's framed as there's only one grid anyway (they just say "Morioh's electrical grid", which is also connected to Sendai for some reason? I mean I get the logistics behind it, but eh, I ain't Araki). Which was part of the plan with Joseph to root out RHCP in the first place by having HP interface with it.

There's an actual slew of shit, evidently I need to compile all the slop and statements, so whatever, I'll toss them together, a RHCP profile rework shouldn't take super long.

 

[SlendVeny]

I mean yeah, sometimes you just gotta go "it's just Araki being Araki" I guess. Like with everything involving Metallica, I don't think it makes much sense for a person to have like a kilogram's worth of iron in their body or more but if the amount was realistic Metallica would be a very boring Stand visually.

Doppio probably eats rocks, he's just like that

 

[Epiccheev]

Doppio probably eats rocks, he's just like that

Gotta make sure his phones are gone after every transmission.

 

[Chariot190]

We need to calc the secret water feats.... But not many good panels...

 

[Emerald]

what feats?

 

[Chariot190]

A fuckton. Half are just "I'm lazy", but a few are like "damn this sure is ******* obnoxious" due to a lack of sufficent panels and views.

In the manga a secret feat is when Jonathan punched Bruford in the water, he parted the lake, contrary to the anime he Bruford just got launched out of it. This one might be good, but it's super annoying to calc.
There's also stuff like Plat punching out a cable car except I just remembered I finished that nvm.
Yukako bursting out of the cliff with her hair could be nice, the house crush is also neat, especially given we're flatout told she could, in fact, crush it (Though it's stated to be something she can only do when angry, her range and power grow while angry, much like Chariot, CD, Plat, a bunch of dudes actually, etc).
A few feats could do with recalcs just for better pixel scaling and math like Secco's (should also add the statement saying stuff retains hardness and durability just for the sake of it).
Part 6 has a lot of bullet feats, I calced one but a handful could be done still.
Obviously some of the uncalced FTL slop would be a must.

Man it's just a ******* laundry list of shit, I got Chritin and Dale helping once in awhile like Joseph's HP grip strength I got Dale to do, but there's actually 40+ things I have written in a note, except I'm anal and I don't trust a lot of goons to calc stuff properly besides the two aforementioned and couple the fact I **** with other verses.... Yes this is a cry for help, some of you goons get learning how to calc so you can help out.

 

[SlendVeny]

Gotta make sure his phones are gone after every transmission.

Rock = Phone, Phone = Rock, both = food

 

[Emerald]

i did calc once jonathan outspeeding debris being shot by an explosion but i have no clue what I did is correct or not

 

[Chariot190]

How do we feel about biting the bullet and putting actual fate slop on a few characters.

 

[Nemu13]

How do we feel about biting the bullet and putting actual fate slop on a few characters.

wdym？

 

[Da3ggman]

How do we feel about biting the bullet and putting actual fate slop on a few characters.

Pretty sure there’s a thread open for Giorno getting it, but other than him, yeah, I say we do it.

Who all would get it? I’ve heard some talk about William Zeppeli’s teacher potentially giving some fate shit to Hamon users (or just limited precognition).

 

[Chariot190]

There's the funny meme with Mista being fated not to die in Part 5, enabling him to survive shit that he otherwise wouldn't due to luck or because uh **** you ig?

Dio is stated to have super luck due to his birthmark and fate as far back as Part 1, has some guide slop too.

Jotaro is fated to fight Dio and nothing can stop it, fate is also on his side to the point multiple hard statements saying fate literally struck down several of his enemies which is why Jotaro is lucky at times. Some pretty explicit, like Toth guide scans say the reason Jotaro got away was because fate itself protected him and struck Oingo and Hol down instead, which is kinda mentioned in the manga itself with Boingo saying Jotaro is lucky which is why they lost and probably only Dio could beat his luck. There's more but the Toth scans just flatout hard state it's fate on his side and murks his foes. Jotaro also has extra guide slop.

Giorno, but this one is complex and unlike Jotaro who has statements saying straight up helped him or Dio who's stated to be super lucky, his is nuanced as shit and is like the subtext of part 5.

Bruno, but Bruno is a fucky case because fate ISN'T on his side, but in the opposite direction he was able to go against fate, albeit only temporarily.

There's others, but that's more implied as opposed to hard stated, like you could probably give Joseph fate shit, but the 4 above have direct statements saying fate, literally, non-hyperbolically, is protecting them. Except Bruno **** him.

 

[Emerald]

How would that be listed in the profiles?

 

[Chariot190]

How would that be listed in the profiles?

Idk. Luck type 8 immortality if we're insane. Luck. Luck. Probably a mix of luck+fate res. And probably uh, idk, might have to be listed as limited fate res for bruno if we list it.

It's nothing wild, mostly just supernatural luck that kicks in when it absolutely has to, wouldn't be infalliable, someone else can overcome it still.

 

[Epiccheev]

Luck and Pluck

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Mista not being fated to die yet helped him survive falling onto the car Fugo was in multiple stories up, and likely helped him survive all of those headshots he took through sheer luck. I'd say if he's in a match against someone his tier that doesn't have hax slop, he'd probably only be incapped.

 

[darkphantom9805]

Are there any guidebook scans that can be used to support light-ftl speed for jojo ?

 

[Chariot190]

Are there any guidebook scans that can be used to support light-ftl speed for jojo ?

A bunch, why?

Though it isn't like we need them, guides should only ever be used when it corroborates the source material. They're supplemental, not primary.

 

[darkphantom9805]

A bunch, why?

Though it isn't like we need them, guides should only ever be used when it corroborates the source material. They're supplemental, not primary.

Because I want to save the scans to support the on screen feats the more evidence there is the harder it is for someone to deny their speed

 

[Chariot190]

Because I want to save the scans to support the on screen feats the more evidence there is the harder it is for someone to deny their speed

Don't worry about it then, the plan is to finish a comprehensive blog wih every relevant piece of info and drop it with the other shit already. Basically make it so Part 3 never has to be touched again. Been translating guide slop today and yestday for Dio and Avdol tho.

Need to obviously finish some more calcs tho given atm there's like, only 2 calced FTL feats when there could be like 20. maybe ill put dale at gunpoint. Which is way more important than guides given feats >.

 

[darkphantom9805]

Don't worry about it then, the plan is to finish a comprehensive blog wih every relevant piece of info and drop it with the other shit already. Basically make it so Part 3 never has to be touched again. Been translating guide slop today and yestday for Dio and Avdol tho.

Need to obviously finish some more calcs tho given atm there's like, only 2 calced FTL feats when there could be like 20. maybe ill put dale at gunpoint. Which is way more important than guides given feats >.

When will it be finished?

I have on screen feats saved for the characters the only things I don’t have saved are anything from the guidebooks which is why I wanted every scan from the guides that supports speed so if anyone tries to deny what happens on screen they are there to support what’s on screen

 

[Chariot190]

When will it be finished?

I have on screen feats saved for the characters the only things I don’t have saved are anything from the guidebooks which is why I wanted every scan from the guides that supports speed so if anyone tries to deny what happens on screen they are there to support what’s on screen

Uh, if I actually finish calcs and slop, before the end of the month. There's like 2 problematic things i gotta do, but they have nothing to do with ftl shit, it's just wanting to drop everything at once.

Also, like, lil bro.
"Faster than the speed of light through sheer speed" is an actual stated line in manga, for a character who's noted faster than Stands who have SOL shit. People can be dumb if they want to, dont worry about what goons think.

 

[darkphantom9805]

"Faster than the speed of light through sheer speed" is an actual stated line in manga, for a character who's noted faster than Stands who have SOL shit. People can be dumb if they want to, dont worry about what goons think.

Who says that? I know people be goofy but I still need guide books scans saved

 

[Chariot190]

Who says that? I know people be goofy but I still need guide books scans saved

The actual manga?


あまりにスゴイスピードのため、光の速度を超え、全盛期（18歳の時）最大5秒、この世の「時」を止めることができた。加えて「力」と「正確な動き」もスゴイ。まさに史上最高、無敵のスタンド能力。
ジョジョの奇妙な冒険第3部（文庫8巻～17巻）
Because of exceedingly incredible speed, it surpasses the speed of light, during its prime (at the age of 18), it was able to stop this world's 'time' for a maximum of 5 seconds. In addition, 'strength' and 'precise movements' are also incredible. Truly, the best in history, an invincible Stand ability.
"(JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Part 3 (Paperback Volumes 8–17)."

The chapter where Whitesnake yeets his disc.

 

[darkphantom9805]

The actual manga?


あまりにスゴイスピードのため、光の速度を超え、全盛期（18歳の時）最大5秒、この世の「時」を止めることができた。加えて「力」と「正確な動き」もスゴイ。まさに史上最高、無敵のスタンド能力。
ジョジョの奇妙な冒険第3部（文庫8巻～17巻）
Because of exceedingly incredible speed, it surpasses the speed of light, during its prime (at the age of 18), it was able to stop this world's 'time' for a maximum of 5 seconds. In addition, 'strength' and 'precise movements' are also incredible. Truly, the best in history, an invincible Stand ability.
"(JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Part 3 (Paperback Volumes 8–17)."

The chapter where Whitesnake yeets his disc.

Oh that scan I’ve seen many translations on that didn’t know which one was more accurate

Are there any statements on how fast silver chariot armor removal amps him?

 

[Chariot190]

あまりに means exceedingly here, スゴイmeans amazing or incredible, スピード is speed, の is a possessive particle (like Kirby of the Stars), ため is Because of, 光 is light, の as before, を is an object marker, 超えmeans to exceed or surpass.
So like"Because of its exceedingly incredible speed, it surpasses the speed of light"

And for the mfs who think it means time stop, the time stop and this aren't connected. The two parts in the sentence separated by a comma, which in jap functions as a natural pause, indicating that they are related in describing the abilities of Plat but are not causally connected. The sentence does not say that the speed causes or enables the time stop, it's simply listing features of Plat.

Commas are often used to divide separate ideas within the same sentence, the comma is after the speed yap, specifically the word for exceeds/surpasses. Commas can also connect stuff, but how depends on context or added conjunctions (like ので for "because" or から for "so"). If speed and time stop were directly connected, it'd be like, 光の速度を超えることで、この世の「時」を止めることができた or some shit (By surpassing the speed of light, it was able to stop time). It doesn't, there’s no causal wording or connectors or whatever slop to tie them together.

Which is to say, the manga itself flatout says Plat exceeds SoL with sheer speed.

 

[Chariot190]

Are there any statements on how fast silver chariot armor removal amps him?

No, just that he can generate 7 full body afterimages that trick all the senses.

 

[darkphantom9805]

And for the mfs who think it means time stop, the time stop and this aren't connected. The two parts in the sentence separated by a comma, which in jap functions as a natural pause, indicating that they are related in describing the abilities of Plat but are not causally connected. The sentence does not say that the speed causes or enables the time stop, it's simply listing features of Plat.

How can they be related anyway when time is stopped the speed formula is broken meaning speed at that point becomes irrelevant or no

No, just that he can generate 7 full body afterimages that trick all the senses.

which translates to how many times faster ?

 

[Chariot190]

How can they be related anyway when time is stopped the speed formula is broken meaning speed at that point becomes irrelevant or no

You know how it is sometimes. Just know that there is many, many statements that directly seperate Plat's speed + time stop as well (Such as "Number 1 in speed and strength! Additionally can stop time up to [time]", or how there's 4 statements in the actual manga saying time stop has fuckall to do wih speed).

which translates to how many times faster ?

Unquantifianble. He's quite a bit quicker though.

 

[Epiccheev]

infinite speed star palladium?

 

[Emerald]

Always wondered how Relativistic Polnareff would work with MFTL Chariot. Like how is Polnareff supposed to control his Stand (which we know he has to, as seen in the Ebony Devil fight) and pull of extremely precise movements or fight characters that are MFTL if himself is like way slower

 

[Shey]

That's like wondering how an Average human controls a Supersonic weapon

 

[Emerald]

I mean the difference is that Pol is manually controlling his Stand to intercept and fight guys that are mftl

 

[Chariot190]

Always wondered how Relativistic Polnareff would work with MFTL Chariot. Like how is Polnareff supposed to control his Stand (which we know he has to, as seen in the Ebony Devil fight) and pull of extremely precise movements or fight characters that are MFTL if himself is like way slower

Same way most do. Stands fight by intent and will. You can pull a trigger to a gun, you can aim that gun, you can calculate where it will fire and where it will hit, but you don't scale to the bullet itself if you mean commands.

Like, they don't go "Ok Chariot, stab, stab again, do it again, etc", they just kinda go "yo kick his ass" or "protect me!". They can give specific commands, but they don't need to, and when they do, it's usually evident.

Unless it's a Remote-Control Type, in which case yeah they kinda have to 90% of the time. Otherwise it's LITERALLY vibes and "feeling it".

 

[Epiccheev]

"Ok Chariot, stab, stab again, do it again, etc"

"Ok,Chariot190 make a CRT downgrading some verse i dislike."

 

[Chariot190]

"Ok,Chariot190 make a CRT downgrading some verse i dislike."

Ok what.

 

[Epiccheev]

Ok what.

It's your stand power

 

[Chariot190]

It's your stand power

No, what verse lil bro.

 

[darkphantom9805]

i remember seeing a guide or something a while back that said crazy diamond surpasses star platinum does anyone have that scan ?