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JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Discussion Thread IV: Diamond is Unbreakable

Good enough, if anything that makes me optimistic for the future, her full on action sequence might even hit MHS+ if that still net MHS.
 
Josuke 8 is more like Josuke 4 + Kira; and Kira 8 is Jotaro + Kira 4. There is Kei Nijimura who is also Jotaro.
 
What do you think?
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combat speed doesn’t have to be related to movement speed at all. Obviously. Peak kars couldn’t move long distances fast enough to catch a plane, but we have seen that in short bursts, he can react to light, which is corroborated by other part 2 chars doing the same. additionally, when the guy says it’s ludicrous to assume x cannot run at at a given speed, it makes more sense to assume he can’t. As, kars has shown he can’t. U can’t assume long distance speed, off of Combat speed, based on a comparison between two separate specialists, in relation to a fictional species of superhuman. In general, u can prob assume most chars fight at speeds close to how fast they move, but when it comes to a char who specifically showed this is not the case, it’s fair to say he moves/flies slower than he fights. thats what I think anyway
 
I think it's pretty ******* pointless and I'm getting real ******* sick and tired of people doing mental gymnastics to somehow explain why they can't be FTL even when we're outright told they are.

Also that dude's scaling chain is ******* stupid and wrong, half the shit he's saying is demonstrably wrong even, like does he think everyone is Star Platinum speed or some shit?
 
I mean, if u get multiple ftl statements, and then ftl to mftl calcs, what’s even the argument about at that point. They are literally said to be ftl and have some showings that back it up. That’s about as solid as it gets
 
I can’t read the image, so I have no clue what everyone’s talking about. The text’s too small, so small I can’t even enlarge it.

What does it say?
 
Star Platinum is, flat out, point blank, stated FTL in his later years. Not only that, it explicitly states "faster than the speed of light through sheer speed".

The mere existence of this line makes it obvious as **** that he's intended to be FTL. Because he is.

Also that dude's arguments are dumb as shit, especially when a fraction of his argument relies on something we're actually told the character COULD dodge but he was just busy and wasn't looking.

Actually the majority of that is ******* stupid, it's actually pissing me off, usually people have at least one or two merits to an argument, but literally everything in there is bullshit, from his super oversimplified and blatantly false scaling, to him ignoring context, hell some of his points the very manga itself goes "oh yeah also this" which straight up makes what he's saying wrong and how he missed it I don't know.

Let's not even get into the movement=combat speed shit, it's so ******* dumb, especially when JoJo has demonstrable examples of characters having insane burst or combat speed, but slow long distance movement, of magnitudes of difference. Hell some even have that as a selling point, like certain Stands, speaking of Stands, is his dumbass actually using "FTL breaks physics so it dont count" as an argument? Especially in a verse filled with massless physic defying entities?
 
Daddybrawl said:
I can’t read the image, so I have no clue what everyone’s talking about. The text’s too small, so small I can’t even enlarge it.

What does it say?
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Dont worry about it, just some dude going "kars got tagged by a bullet and some volcanic debris that one time so he cant be ftl" for the most part. (Ignoring context to both those feats but whatever).
 
Yes, everyone is FTL through scaling. That's basic rudimentary knowledge. It might sound like ass, it's equivalent to Caulifla from DBS scaling to TOP Goku who can one tap SSJG BOG Goku.
It looks ugly as shit but it's something that happened lol
 
Seventy96 said:
What do you think?
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1. he completely dodged the point that kars wouldn't need to block the bullets, if kars couldnt react to the bullets why bring up the scene in which he literally cuts each one in half seconds later, which is solid proof that he was simply choosing to not react
2. "ftl from koichi" lmao his scaling is clearly off by a mile
3. kars being joseph's hand level is a complete joke due to the same bullet scene he brings up lmao, and the fact that he literally wasn't looking when it hit him
4. flight speed being different that movement speed is a real life thing, he clearly has not seen a bird run
5. and the last part is some pseudo science about how legs should be arbitrarily relative to punching speed and his only evidence is that a guy punched twice as fast as a different guy could run

this is a complete joke and whoever posted this has no understanding of absolutely anything ever, that's the final verdict
 
Kars even reacts to the initial bout of bullets anyway, he leaps back and crosses his hands. Then he goes "aight that's enough", and proceeds to slice every single bullet mid flight without even trying while moving towards them at that to bisect the source.
 
How many times will people still doubt FTL JoJo? from bad arguments like "Pol couldn't see the Hanged Man" or "Kars couldn't keep up with a Plane"? Honestly, this constant mess always keep pestering us out and there are even sites who still agree to these arguments which simply come from people who didn't saw the thing correctly.
 
TyranoDoom30 said:
How many times will people still doubt FTL JoJo? from bad arguments like "Pol couldn't see the Hanged Man" or "Kars couldn't keep up with a Plane"? Honestly, this constant mess always keep pestering us out and there are even sites who still agree to these arguments which simply come from people who didn't saw the thing correctly.
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What's the explanations for Polnareff's inability to see the Hanged Man?
And if I'm remembering well, he could see it and timed Chariot to hit it
 
Shey said:
What's the explanations for Polnareff's inability to see the Hanged Man?
And if I'm remembering well, he could see it and timed Chariot to hit it
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That he can't, or well, he can't easily anyway. Pol is indeed not 1:1 with HM, in the same ballpark to an extent, but he ain't equal.

He could see it, barely. And he could time it, but the actual MFTL stuff is coming from Chariot itself, Pol didn't have any hand in it besides going "hey, **** him up".
 
Shey said:
What's the explanations for Polnareff's inability to see the Hanged Man?
And if I'm remembering well, he could see it and timed Chariot to hit it
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Without Pol's guidence (aka his vision), Chariot is effectively blind, this is made very clear during Ebony Devil, hence why he needed a strategy to attack It. And once he did it, he literally blitzed HM once he could see his trajectory
 
Coincidentally, Ebony Devil and Hanged Man, are both featured in the exact same volume :unsure:
 
also hanged man is very small so it's easy to see why without directly knowing where he is he'd lose track easily
a few months ago I was trying to watch this one particular fly and I could keep up with it but it was so small that once my eyes strayed from it for a moment I couldn't find it
that's basically how hanged man works
 
Man, every time i look at that 7.83 ton rating Morioh RHCP has, it feels so close to that 11 ton value, literally a 1.404854x difference (I think) from baseline 8-B
It honestly feels like Angered Jotaro is baseline 8B and Prime SP/High TW is above that, the scaling chain should already tell that.
Angry SP (One Shot)>The World>3SP>4SP>RHCP Morioh (7.83)
like if upscaling rules here say shit like "one shot does not mean 2x" then ok but what would be the value for a one shot? a 1.1x or 1.2x increase? Does not take into account shit like yes 4 SP is stronger than RHCP and 3SP is stronger than 4SP and TW is stronger than 3SP.
Like no matter how you slice it it already feels like he is baseline 8B, idk if im just pushing it but whatever, its just a random thought i had in my head regarding these types of stuff
 
I feel like we should get some calc members to come together and scientifically prove a proper appropriate one shot multiplier or system
 
but in most jotaro threads we break the rules and use his scaling chain to treat him like an 8-B anyways so it wouldn't change anything
 
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