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JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Discussion Thread IV: Diamond is Unbreakable

i remember seeing a guide or something a while back that said crazy diamond surpasses star platinum does anyone have that scan ?
It doesn't say that. It says it has hidden power that might surpass him. A potential to.

It's talking about Enraged Plat maybe being above Part 4 Plat. Although that's a bit bunk given it also says Plat is stronger than Enraged CD elsewhere, multiple times, and that enraged CD only comes "almost".

It is JoJo-a-gogo cd page. Just look up the recent CD is MFTL yap threads, both use that scan.
 
Crazy diamond can’t grow anymore so how can it have the potential either it surpasses it or it doesn’t
Yes it can? Why wouldn't it? It has a C in potential, and we're told multiple times in Part 4 that CD itself has been getting stronger and stronger after fights.

It's talking about being enraged too, which is hard stated many times to spike its power and speed. An end of part or future CD while being enraged being able to overtake Part 4 Plat? I can buy that.
 
How come the stands in jojoland seems so weak compared to other parts where are all the hax how did we go from go beyond bubbles to this
They aren't weak. Go Beyond kinda sucks.

This is like asking why Stone Free isn't as strong as GER, why Part 4 fodder ain't as strong as DIO and TW or Cream, why Tusk Act 1 isn't as strong as Made in heaven, etc, why Soft & Wet isn't as strong as Love Train or Tusk Act 4, etc.

Part 8, the part you used as an example, is actual dogshit for most of it. Fun Fun Fun is just an omega limited Justice, Speed King is just kinda ass, etc. But it ends on a highnote with WoU and a neat hax ability in Go Beyond. But up to that point? It was awful, that's like 7-8 years of being fodder.

Part 9 has quite a few interesting Stands. Smooth Operators is intriguing, with very useful matter manip, that can be used for utility, harm and healing. Charming Man is a decent Phenomena type stand. November Rain is quite strong thus far, eclipsing Stone Free and early GE or tusk Act 1 in offense. And can incap almost every power type. Then we have Stands like Bag Grooves which is asinine.

Part 9 is just standard, we got good stands, we got some bad stands, but that's the point. JoJo isn't about power cliffing, Araki actively ceased that, the design post Part 3 is "You do not need to have a strong punch to be strong". Anyone can be a threat depending on the situation. Part 9 is still early, it's quite strong for how early it is, and it will stay like that for probably a handful more years, with a few upgrades slowly coming in here and there (Like the hospital fight gave us two upgrades in stats, such as paco caving in steel, he also bends it which is Class M).
 
Part 9 has quite a few interesting Stands. Smooth Operators is intriguing, with very useful matter manip, that can be used for utility, harm and healing. Charming Man is a decent Phenomena type stand. November Rain is quite strong thus far, eclipsing Stone Free and early GE or tusk Act 1 in offense. And can incap almost every power type. Then we have Stands like Bag Grooves which is asinine.

Part 9 is just standard, we got good stands, we got some bad stands, but that's the point. JoJo isn't about power cliffing, Araki actively ceased that, the design post Part 3 is "You do not need to have a strong punch to be strong". Anyone can be a threat depending on the situation. Part 9 is still early, it's quite strong for how early it is, and it will stay like that for probably a handful more years, with a few upgrades slowly coming in here and there (Like the hospital fight gave us two upgrades in stats, such as paco caving in steel, he also bends it which is Class M).
I’m not talking about power jojo is supposed to be known for its hax November rain ability are bad it’s needs a hax upgrade like you got tusk gr go beyond so many main characters get good ability jodio gets goofy ahh rain

Jojo is about power cliffing tho the stands for the most part literally get stronger with every part

Also why do we cross scale part 9 Rohan with part 4 Rohan for their speed ? same as SBR which relies on alternate the world why do we assume it’s the same is there a statement saying they are just as fast ?
 
How come the stands in jojoland seems so weak compared to other parts where are all the hax how did we go from go beyond bubbles to this
Yeah, how did we go from vampire overlord with giant zombie warriors and the ability to freeze people solid vs a team of elite martial artists to Straizo with no Hamon vs a regular guy?

How did we go from the ultimate life-form getting taken out with a hamon-enhanced volcano blast into space to a guy who hides in your mouth and shoots rocks?

How did we go from a time-stopping vampire overlord vs a time-stopping superhuman to a guy who hides on your mouth and shoots water?

How did we go from a guy who blows up time itself vs a guy who can re-arrange matter to fix things to a guy who makes plants vs Koichi?

How did we go from GER to a lady who shrinks people?

How did we go from MIH to a guy who plays with cactuses?

How did we go from a classic, run-of-thr-mill, interdimensional Disabled Cowboy vs Jesus-Enhanced Sex Criminal President showdown on a train with finger guns that punch you into non-existence vs Makima Chainsaw Man powers to a surfer that stands above you?

How did we go from manipulating fundamental forces of the universe and nonexistent exploding bubbles to controlling gravity to penetrate someone's skeleton with the force of an FTL bullet and precision of a trained surgeon?

It's almost like the stories progress at a linear rate.
 
I’m not talking about power jojo is supposed to be known for its hax November rain ability are bad it’s needs a hax upgrade like you got tusk gr go beyond so many main characters get good ability jodio gets goofy ahh rain
No offense bro, but the part is only like 21 chapters out right now; that’s less than a 5th of Jojolion, and you expect Jodio to bust out some bullshit hax immediately? Jojo ain’t about the protagonist having a God-Tier ability at the start of the series and steamrolling through the story with it (unless you’re name starts with J and ends with otaro Kujo). They’re about using your abilities that may be not the craziest thing in the world, but making them crazy through ingenuity and creativity.

Jodio will undoubtedly get some sort of OP hax by the end of the story, whether it’s through the spin or something else, but for now, just enjoy the ride and try to not tunnel vision on how powerful he is outside of the series.
 
I’m not talking about power jojo is supposed to be known for its hax November rain ability are bad it’s needs a hax upgrade like you got tusk gr go beyond so many main characters get good ability jodio gets goofy ahh rain
Rain that weighs like a million tons with extreme precision?

November Rain is basically Act 3 Freeze, but every drop, but with wild precision, extra range, and be usd in utility like traps, long range, forcefields, etc.

Tusk was ASS for years my dude, it was just finger shoot.
Jojo is about power cliffing tho the stands for the most part literally get stronger with every part
They literally do not. Araki has actively explained this. Why do you think Stone Free is actively dogshit compared to GER, CD, Plat, etc?
Also why do we cross scale part 9 Rohan with part 4 Rohan for their speed ?
we don't. Whoever made the Jodio profile needs to be put in the corner.
same as SBR which relies on alternate the world why do we assume it’s the same is there a statement saying they are just as fast ?
There's statements and slop implicating Alt TW and DIO's TW are the same yes. Same with Part 8 KQ (Except SHA, they note that one manifests differently due to not being a killer now).

We'll get there when we get there. Though, Part 7 TW would be scaling to start of Part 3 Plat as opposed to TW, given stuff.
 
Rain that weighs like a million tons with extreme precision?

November Rain is basically Act 3 Freeze, but every drop, but with wild precision, extra range, and be usd in utility like traps, long range, forcefields, etc.

Tusk was ASS for years my dude, it was just finger shoot.
Tusk didn’t even need act 4 to be good it already had dura neg by 3 and 2 November rain yes it has utility it seems to be more stat based rather good hax based

They literally do not. Araki has actively explained this. Why do you think Stone Free is actively dogshit compared to GER, CD, Plat, etc?
Stone free being absolute cheeks doesn’t mean the part didn’t have power creep pucci was literally the main the villain each part gets stronger either it be the main villain or the good guys

There's statements and slop implicating Alt TW and DIO's TW are the same yes. Same with Part 8 KQ (Except SHA, they note that one manifests differently due to not being a killer now).

We'll get there when we get there. Though, Part 7 TW would be scaling to start of Part 3 Plat as opposed to TW, given stuff.
How does that make sense why wouldn’t it just scale to normal TW why beginning SP?
 
Tusk didn’t even need act 4 to be good it already had dura neg by 3 and 2 November rain yes it has utility it seems to be more stat based rather good hax based
It had minor duraneg with caveats.
It took till October 19, 2006 to get Act 2. Part 7 started in Jan 2004.
The gap between start and Tusk getting minor duraneg was 2 years, 9 months, and 4 days.

It took Plat 3 years, 1 month, and 14 days to get time stop.

It took Stone Free forever to get hax, she never got any.

It took Josuke like a decade to get Go Beyond.

NR ain't gonna be haxy, he doesn't need to be, he has utility, is interesting, and can be used in many dangerous ways. Mind you, NR is flatout stated to use gravity. I don't think I need to tell you what that foreshadows.
Stone free being absolute cheeks doesn’t mean the part didn’t have power creep pucci was literally the main the villain each part gets stronger either it be the main villain or the good guys
This is flatout wrong. MIH was strong, but throw MIH and Diavolo in a room and Diavolo would win 90% of the time. MIH needs set up and to get going, is stated to be like average for strength, and its ability while useful, isn't anything new and only works AFTER reset.
Stone Free is just dogass weak, there is no caveat here.

You're thinking about JoJo wrong, there is no "they always get stronger". DIO >>>> Kira. Directly stated to be more powerful, in fact Araki get fan letters asking why he was toned down from Dio back in Part 4. Dio will always beat Kira.

JoJo doesn't have power creep in a conventional way, it has side grades, not upgrades. Everyone can beat anyone 90% of the time, just depends on the situation. The villains tend to be strong, but the final boss should be. Mind you Part 9 is at the very start, obviously we haven't got to Part 9's WoU or King Crimson yet.
How does that make sense why wouldn’t it just scale to normal TW why beginning SP?
Dio's TW has been strengthened via blood, I doubt alt Diego is chugging blood.
 
Go Beyond is only really efficient at close range, otherwise Josuke needs help aiming it like with Yasuho supporting with Paisley Park. They're mini creams, exist beyond the logic of the world, that's some good shit. But unless Josuke can get close to Ora barrage those bubbles, it ain't going to be of much help.


Not like it's the only thing S&W has, Plunder is goated.
 
Plunder is good, but let's not forget it took Soft & Wet about 4-5 years to exceed 9-B. And it took him a decade to get "good hax" (whatever that means).
I have no problem with how long it took, Soft & Wet get a lil bit more each fight, that's nice. But that's no different from Part 9, or Part 7, or, etc.

I don't get why people act shocked Jodio isn't Top 5 in verse for a part that was stated last month to be "still really early on".
 
Even to this day Base no timestop Star Platinum would solo like 90% of the verse in a battle where both stands and stand users are within eachother's striking range + no prior info,prep or special locations out of raw power alone.

With the same scenario, but using Prime starplatinum+timestop. The only ones i can think of are GER(duh),CARNE (Jotaro likely manages to escape from/trick Notorious B.I.G tho),Act 4 Tusk(Johnny starts with Act 4 out), King Crimson (everloving spam of precog+time skip), Love Train Funny Valentine (assuming he doesn't make his head/torso come out of love train at any point) WoU( big fat maybe depending on how calamity would operate in frozen time) and most of those aren't even 100% wins. Most other stands can't pull off their insta-win hax faster than Star Platinum could pound them into a pulp in this scenario.
 
Even to this day Base no timestop Star Platinum would solo like 90% of the verse in a battle where both stands and stand users are within eachother's striking range + no prior info,prep or special locations out of raw power alone.

With the same scenario, but using Prime starplatinum+timestop. The only ones i can think of are GER(duh),CARNE (Jotaro likely manages to escape from/trick Notorious B.I.G tho),Act 4 Tusk(Johnny starts with Act 4 out), King Crimson (everloving spam of precog+time skip), Love Train Funny Valentine (assuming he doesn't make his head/torso come out of love train at any point) WoU( big fat maybe depending on how calamity would operate in frozen time) and most of those aren't even 100% wins. Most other stands can't pull off their insta-win hax faster than Star Platinum could pound them into a pulp in this scenario.
That’s because jojo characters are mostly just goofy ahh weak humans with good speed and abilities star platinum is basically useless outside of jojo settings
 
NR ain't gonna be haxy, he doesn't need to be, he has utility, is interesting, and can be used in many dangerous ways. Mind you, NR is flatout stated to use gravity. I don't think I need to tell you what that foreshadows.
He does tho

This is flatout wrong. MIH was strong, but throw MIH and Diavolo in a room and Diavolo would win 90% of the time. MIH needs set up and to get going, is stated to be like average for strength, and its ability while useful, isn't anything new and only works AFTER reset.
Stone Free is just dogass weak, there is no caveat here.

You're thinking about JoJo wrong, there is no "they always get stronger". DIO >>>> Kira. Directly stated to be more powerful, in fact Araki get fan letters asking why he was toned down from Dio back in Part 4. Dio will always beat Kira.

JoJo doesn't have power creep in a conventional way, it has side grades, not upgrades. Everyone can beat anyone 90% of the time, just depends on the situation. The villains tend to be strong, but the final boss should be. Mind you Part 9 is at the very start, obviously we haven't got to Part 9's WoU or King Crimson yet.
MiH was still incredibly fast even at the start yes most jojo characters can beat each other because at the end of the day they are weak humans tied to a ghost who does all the fighting so if you directly attack or land hits on the user you win

obviously dio would be win TW is so much faster then killer queen and Kira its not even funny but this doesn’t change the fact killer queen is still technically stronger with sheer heart attack which even SP struggled against his dura neg and bites the dust etc the stand is overall more powerful it’s an upgrade from TW who literally just physical attacks

proof part 9 is getting a WoU or king crimson none of the stands so far seem like hax monsters

JoJo doesn't have power creep in a conventional way, it has side grades, not upgrades. Everyone can beat anyone 90% of the time, just depends on the situation. The villains tend to be strong, but the final boss should be. Mind you Part 9 is at the very start, obviously we haven't got to Part 9's WoU or King Crimson yet.
pretty much every jojo character can beat each other because at the end of the day the stands are what does the fighting not the weak humans attached to them but that doesn’t automatically mean the Stand is better or stronger

Dio's TW has been strengthened via blood, I doubt alt Diego is chugging blood.
Who’s Jonathan or Joseph?
 
He does tho


MiH was still incredibly fast even at the start yes most jojo characters can beat each other because at the end of the day they are weak humans tied to a ghost who does all the fighting so if you directly attack or land hits on the user you win
Yeah, Diavolo and Dio exceed that though. Diavolo can kill him before he becomes problematic. Dio too. Pucci cant actually kill Dio thinking on it.
obviously dio would be win TW is so much faster then killer queen and Kira its not even funny but this doesn’t change the fact killer queen is still technically stronger with sheer heart attack which even SP struggled against his dura neg and bites the dust etc the stand is overall more powerful it’s an upgrade from TW who literally just physical attacks
Yes, Dio would win. Case and point. Kira exchanges stats for hax. But he would still die instantly.
SHA is good, untill you trick it, don't forget Jotaro was winning that fight. He figured out its weakness, how to exploit it and was even dealing minor damage once he changed up his gameplan.

He only lost because Koichi did not listen. And then Koichi beat SHA, despite being way weaker because that's how Jojo works.

As an fyi Part 4 Plat is far weaker than High The World. Dont forget HTW can literally one shot base Plat, SHA would take far more damage.

Also again, situation. If you throw Jotaro and Kira in a room, Kira dies, SHA or not. Kira was able to ambush them in story, create a gap and flee. Thats a case of the situation coming into play, a direct fight he dies.

SHA lacks duraneg.
BTD is the epitome of prep and context. It can't even be used in a actual fight.
proof part 9 is getting a WoU or king crimson
Common sense. But you're right, idk for sure, but it's better than complaining NR doesnt have 4D duraneg by its 3rd fight.
none of the stands so far seem like hax monsters
Bag Grooves is a Stand with infinite range, automated triggers that can be specified that will automatically track and kill anyone who procs it, once it gets going it is basically impossible to stop and you'll die within minutes without medical attention. Youll still die even with medical attention if it isnt defeated in time.
It cripples you as it works too, making you asphyxiate and gives you brain damage so you cant even think to beat it.

Even knowing what's going on is nighimpossible and even if you assume "oh im being attacked by lil stands in me", assuming youre even cognizant, have fun actually getting it out of you.

And even if you do, you dont win because killing it does like no damage to the main body.

Theres like 15 of them.

This Stand is INSANELY broken, if they didn't have Smooth Operators + NR's wild prevision they'd have died. And they only knew this because they got lucky and Tingle stabbed himself with his own Stand, which he has connected vision with it.

Josuke could not beat this. Jolyne could not beat this. Jotaro would only beat this if it was Part 3. Etc.
pretty much every jojo character can beat each other because at the end of the day the stands are what does the fighting not the weak humans attached to them but that doesn’t automatically mean the Stand is better or stronger
Yes, thats something else you need to take into account. Range.

A lot of the haxy Stands trade that for range, most capping at 2m.
Who’s Jonathan or Joseph?
What do they have to do with TW? Jonathan and Joseph sweep most of Part 4, 6, 7 and 8 tho.
 
Hamon by itself would be pretty good as a stand power. Just the fact you are pretty much an upper end power-type stand yourself with lots of versatilityis already a good selling point.
 
That’s because jojo characters are mostly just goofy ahh weak humans with good speed and abilities star platinum is basically useless outside of jojo settings
"The MFTL+ layered noncorporal punch ghost who can punch out buildings and rip your face with a platrillion tons of force is useless because he aint beating Goku".

imagine i posted that frug gif where he looks at you funny.

We talking about JOJO my dude.
Hamon by itself would be pretty good as a stand power. Just the fact you are pretty much an upper end power-type stand yourself with lots of versatilityis already a good selling point.
Like Secco or White Album or any Part 7 Stand bar like 3.
Hamon dudes aint even weak, they cant solo any Part in full, but they manhandle huge chunks.

Ult Kars is still the stat god too. Idk what this power cliff nonsense is about, Araki himself flat confirms he made it not a thing post part 3.
 
I’m not talking about power jojo is supposed to be known for its hax November rain ability are bad it’s needs a hax upgrade like you got tusk gr go beyond so many main characters get good ability jodio gets goofy ahh rain

Jojo is about power cliffing tho the stands for the most part literally get stronger with every part

Also why do we cross scale part 9 Rohan with part 4 Rohan for their speed ? same as SBR which relies on alternate the world why do we assume it’s the same is there a statement saying they are just as fast ?
You lack understanding of the Class M raindrops, tragedy….
 
Even to this day Base no timestop Star Platinum would solo like 90% of the verse in a battle where both stands and stand users are within eachother's striking range + no prior info,prep or special locations out of raw power alone.

With the same scenario, but using Prime starplatinum+timestop. The only ones i can think of are GER(duh),CARNE (Jotaro likely manages to escape from/trick Notorious B.I.G tho),Act 4 Tusk(Johnny starts with Act 4 out), King Crimson (everloving spam of precog+time skip), Love Train Funny Valentine (assuming he doesn't make his head/torso come out of love train at any point) WoU( big fat maybe depending on how calamity would operate in frozen time) and most of those aren't even 100% wins. Most other stands can't pull off their insta-win hax faster than Star Platinum could pound them into a pulp in this scenario.
Or like... a high-level Pillar Man, I guess.
 
h good speed and abilities star platinum is basically useless outside of jojo settings
He is op in most urban settings in fiction.
Also soon he will have the Class G forces because most characters in fiction got shit Ls and lacking resistance to the good ol plat tear and choke :ROFLMAO:🙏 RESPECT JOTARO
 
Are Stand Users the most compatible with their Stands? Like could anyone else within the verse be more optimal with another's Stand? Or are the Stand User - Stand relationships we see inverse the most optimal.
 
Are Stand Users the most compatible with their Stands? Like could anyone else within the verse be more optimal with another's Stand? Or are the Stand User - Stand relationships we see inverse the most optimal.
Emporio with WR. Or in another case, if Okuyasu be a little clever he might better at handling his stand. Thankfully he's an idiot
 
Are Stand Users the most compatible with their Stands? Like could anyone else within the verse be more optimal with another's Stand? Or are the Stand User - Stand relationships we see inverse the most optimal.
Lore says yes. A Stand is your psyche, your conscious.

Kira is a killer who wants a quiet life, ergo all his abilities enable him to continue his fetishtic tendencies while avoiding capture, deleting all evidence. BTD is that on roids. For reference Part 8 Kira a doctor, so his Stand while the same has key diffs (it doesnt delete shit now but can be useful for surgery and uh, doctoring?).

Diavolo is a literal schizo with extreme paranoia. His ability lets him see the future and delete anything that hinders him.

Pucci wanted to preserve his sisters soul, his ability let him do that.

Or Polnareff is honorable and has chivalry. His Stand is a ******* knight.

Gwess wants to be friends but her mind is ****** and doesnt want to be equals so her stand makes people small like pets.

Dio wants to rule, so his Stand that can dominate the all living things in the 3rd dimension via halting time is best suited for him (yes they say this).

Secco and Green Day uh, insane so they just rampage and kill.

Josuke is kind but can flip on a dime, so his power is one to heal, but should he get angry it wont.

Stands MEANT to tie into their host, which is why some evolve when the main body goes through a mental breakthrough. But some dont convey that at all and you just look at them going wtf did Araki mean by this.
 
Oh the Okuyasu thing, The Hand has blinders that cover half its vision to symbolize Okuyasu's tunnel vision. Thats neat. Idk why his Stand deletes shit tho....
 
Lore says yes. A Stand is your psyche, your conscious.

Kira is a killer who wants a quiet life, ergo all his abilities enable him to continue his fetishtic tendencies while avoiding capture, deleting all evidence. BTD is that on roids. For reference Part 8 Kira a doctor, so his Stand while the same has key diffs (it doesnt delete shit now but can be useful for surgery and uh, doctoring?).

Diavolo is a literal schizo with extreme paranoia. His ability lets him see the future and delete anything that hinders him.

Pucci wanted to preserve his sisters soul, his ability let him do that.

Or Polnareff is honorable and has chivalry. His Stand is a ******* knight.

Gwess wants to be friends but her mind is ****** and doesnt want to be equals so her stand makes people small like pets.

Dio wants to rule, so his Stand that can dominate the all living things in the 3rd dimension via halting time is best suited for him (yes they say this).

Secco and Green Day uh, insane so they just rampage and kill.

Josuke is kind but can flip on a dime, so his power is one to heal, but should he get angry it wont.

Stands MEANT to tie into their host, which is why some evolve when the main body goes through a mental breakthrough. But some dont convey that at all and you just look at them going wtf did Araki mean by this.
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