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JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Discussion Thread IV: Diamond is Unbreakable
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Wait. Dio would have similar abilities to MiH then? Like remaking the universe and granting people the ability to see their future?
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That was his plan yeah.
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Well kinda. Pucci’s Heaven plan is kind a perversion if DIO’s own plan for domination. Pucci’s plan was about his view on understanding fate and coming to peace with it, which led to Made In Heaven being a power that could reset the universe and show everyone their life. Dio on the other hand didn’t fundamentally change and want to show compassion by showing everyone their future. He wanted everyone to understand their fate, which to him was for them to understand their place bellow him. So cannon Dio OH probably would’ve had a similar ability to Made in Heaven, but would be more directly powerful in controlling others like how TWOH is.
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Would yall consider 4th Another Day canon? Like, though there's nothing confirming it is, would yall consider it canon to your understandings. From what I know, it doesn't have any contradictions to the story or characters of part 4, and it only takes place a year after it.
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It isn't canon, if only because it's in the literal "non-canon" section of the guidebooks.
It could fit in canon but it isn't.
Giogio 2 is the novel I'd treat as canon or secondary canon, it fits well enough and like Araki gave it the ok and seems to treat it as an actual continuation of Fugo's story so shrug.
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I know that, im asking if you personally would consider it canon despite sources claiming otherwise.
If I had a nickle for every time a novel gave Fugo more relevance than the part itself, id have 2 nickles.
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No because they say it isn't canon. Like, it can fit fine. But if it's noncanon it's noncanon, not much we can do to change that. I was working on a profilethough and I've calced CD's multi km rock yeet tho.
PHF feedback is good, kinda sucks that ain't the "canon" one.
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Bah, oh well. Does CD throwing a rock that far yield anything good though? It would be surprising if it was only the mainline parts that are confined to low tier 8 ranges for punch stands.
both it and CDDH are good, but end up suffering from inconsistencies. The part 5 anime gave Fugo a different reason for his expulsion, not taking the material from Feedback.
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So like, I was looking at the Jojolion SHA calc, and I see that it only angsizes Yotsuya. I get "I am a Rock" not getting that treatment, since we don't see it stick around or get blasted by the explosion, but what about Karera? Love Love Deluxe girl, the SHA's were directly on top of her when they exploded. Is it just a big ol outlier for someone like her to tank it?
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The what?
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Like Class M and 8 something, was more concerened with the LS aspect of it.
It'd be an outlier if we actually did that, but Kira also has some fucky weird selective targetting anyway if we really need an excuse.
But the secret is, she actually didn't tank it. Her hair was obliterated neck down, which likely served to protect her at the cost of, well the hair, given ya know.
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High 3-A, pretty explicit there's some more statements that have come to light, but it does have 4D slop.
2-A is off LT being busted by BB, but kinda ignores it don't quite work like that. Though it WOULD be a High 3-A feat still so that's neat and supports yap.
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I think I miss my High 8-C Soft & Wet
well, best case scenario, high 8-C hair?
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Uhm, we got 5-C Novel Kars
Would be if it like, wasn't obliterated.
This is kinda like when Piccolo jumped in the way of Nappa's beam. And then died. But he didn't die here he was vaporized.
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JOJOLANDS!!!! HAVE A HIGH 8-C FEAT INVOLVING HAT JOSUKE, AND MY LIFE IS YOURS!!!!!!
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Whats the 4-aD slop? And why 4-D?
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It’s likely High 3-A, we just don’t have it listed cause infinite vs endless shennanigans (should maybe be 2-A cause of hehe haha scaling)
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Dimension stuff. Gravity in jojo is funny.
We don't have it listed because of COPE.
We will when I finish the Part 7 CRT circa 2034 tho
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Wiki is back lads.... Freedom doesn't last....
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awwwwwwwwww
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Is there a reason why we don't accept SC's speed feat as an outlier? the feat itself is drastically far higher than any other feat within Part 3 (let alone the whole verse), and even on the Verse Page the next feat is Kars' which only scales to himself iirc, and the next feat which is Joseph, is 100x slower than SC's own feat. Do we have any other supporting feats to back up this rating?
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Why in the world would we? A feat being high doesn't inherently make it an outlier.
That only applies for feats that have reasonable anti-feats or caps, but we know Chariot can do that, we're told he can do so easily, and it checks out with Plat's dozen or so FTL scalings.
Every FTL feat is done casually for example. Kars feat? Lowend, that's just the minimum it could be and it's well into FTL+ and he did it while blindsided looking away (This also DOES scale to everyone of note, Joseph directly scales, Lisa Lisa does too, Wham, some vampires, etc. Joseph himself even reacts to the UV beam in that same scene).
Chariot himself has a casual FTL+ feat where he deflects 4 beams of light simultaneously against the sun at the same time, which yes, we're told they're light rays and even come from the photosphere (Which corroborates the Hanged Man Feat, given it's basically the same feat again, but 4 at once), at worst, this feat is like 60-80x FTL, and it's done with no effort.
There's ample FTL feats, it helps that we have stuff like Star Platinum way out of its prime being stated to be FTL via sheer speed (Part 3 Plat is multiple blitzes above this), and ironically, there's a statement saying Chariot can easily cut a foe moving at the speed of light in a guide in reference to the Hanged Man feat (Which Hanged Man's section doubling down saying one would need insane speed to touch it).
For reference, there's a bunch of stuff, Kars has another FTL feat (Might even have two, there's also another FTL yap thing in Part 2 for a total of like 3), characters that get statued by the FTL characters have relativistic feats or hover around SOL or low FTL, Chariot itself has a supporting FTL feat as mentioned + a statement, top Stands are directly noted as FTL (Jotaro himself has 4 FTL statements, yes, Jotaro, not even Star Platinum).
If you were to gather every relevant FTL feat or statement, you'd have like ******* 30-40 or some shit, I'd know because I'm working on most of them and doubling it as a blog, the only real thing against it is Pol, which is literally already accounted for, both on wiki and in-verse with statements like saying as long as Pol can direct it, Chariot itself is fast enough to do so effortlessly.
If there's one hill I'm dying on, it's this. Though, Part 6 does need to take a hit, they don't even really scale to an older Plat who's FTL, Whitesnake had to hit him with the oki, and they have a cap. Stone Free still has a decent relativistic feat tho they can scale to.
FTL being an outlier would only work if like, they weren't casually blitzing stuff with rel statements, stands with rel, and have like 20+ supporting FTL feats (which we probably should calc or redo better, I have a few done in pocket already but like, I've been more concerned with Zelda slop lately
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What does that mean?
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taking ur word for it
i dont scale nor do i read jojos so i have no ground to stand on. like - i still feel like in the context of the wiki based on the currently accepted feats on the page, it's definitely an outlier but if you say it isnt then it prolly aint.
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Don't worry about it, there's a fuckton of shit, it's just "we have this why bother calcing the rest". Because like, it IS the highest, but not like there isnt ample support.
Fortunately Ive been doing that, hell I've been making featboxes for every character + a scaling section for each, but ya know how it is, a lot of jojo stuff is outdated.
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He would probably also lose to one of the MCs, unless he really hated his brother and that lead to a butterfly effect that killed Pucci.
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Why are their last names different.
Is he adopted, half sibling? Why would they adopt a kid with the same name, why name their kid the same thing twice. Are they dumb? Stupid?
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It was all an idea by.. John Galli.C
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He Manhattan Transferred their names
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Jorge Joestar names be like
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Anyone tryna vote on this? https://vsbattles.com/threads/the-ultimate-life-form-vs-the-king-of-curses.167174/
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