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JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Discussion Thread IV: Diamond is Unbreakable

王と民The King and the People三次元世界に生きるわれわれは「時間」に縛られて生きている。そんな中「時を止めて自由に行動できる」DIOの「世界」は、文字通り世界を支配する力と言えよう。一方で、「一番『弱い』能力って…どんなヤツだい？」と聞くエンリコ・プッチにDIOは「王には王の料理人には料理人にあった適材適所があり、スタンドも同様『強い』『弱い』の概念はない」と答えている。DIOは、自分自身が全てを超越したものであると自覚しつつも、王であるが故に、「適材適所」という民の才能を活かそうとする視点も持ち合わせているのだ。
We who live in the three-dimensional world are bound by 'time' as we live. Among this, DIO’s The World, which allows him to 'stop time and act freely', can literally be said to have the power to dominate the world. On the other hand, when Enrico Pucci asks him, "What is the ‘weakest’ ability… like?" DIO replies, "For a king, there is proper placement for the king’s chef, and for the chef, there is proper placement as well. Similarly, Stands lack the concept of being ‘strong’ or ‘weak.’" DIO, while being aware that he himself has transcended all things, also possesses the perspective of seeking to make use of the people’s talents in 'proper placement', precisely because he is a king.

from jojo mag, fyi the ' is just what I used for brackets, which is used for emphasis or focus, but the actual brackets have like triple spaces so it looks bad in eng. would use " but there was already an actual quote.
 
JoJo mag has obvious yap like "Dio is super ******* anal and cautious in part 3", but these I thought were neat.

努力家「時を止める」時間を延ばすなど、努力を惜しまない人間の頃も、当時最新式のボクシングスタイルをマスターしている他、ジョースター卿が絶賛するほどのテーブルマナーを身につけていた。貧民街出身であることを考えれば、並々ならぬ陰の努力をしていたに違いない。Hard Worker
He did not hold back on effort, such as extending the time he could stop time. Even when he was human, he mastered the latest boxing style of the time, and he had acquired table manners so refined that Lord Joestar praised them highly. Considering that he was born in the slums, there’s no doubt he made extraordinary efforts behind the scenes.

乗り物好き世界中を旅していたためか、なぜかたちやたらと乗り物やそれにまつわるものを例えに使うDIO。第6部では、船の模型造りに興じている。もはや移動手段以上の感情を持っているのかもしれない…。 Fondness for Vehicles
Perhaps because he had been traveling throughout the world, DIO unusually often uses vehicles and things related to them as examples. In Part 6, he is engrossed in building ship models. Perhaps he now has feelings for them that go beyond just being a means of transportation…

読書家DIOの登場シーンにおいて読書をしていることがかなり多い。エジプトの屋敷では図書館のような蔵書があるほどだ。読書によって現代の知識を得たのだろうか。表紙を見ただけでブッチ神父の本の内容を看破する程のDIO。あらゆるジャンルの本に精通しているようだ。Avid Reader
In scenes where DIO appears, he is frequently seen reading. At his mansion in Egypt, there is a collection of books to the extent that it resembles a library. Did he perhaps acquire modern knowledge through reading? DIO, who can discern the contents of Father Pucci’s book just by looking at its cover, seems to be well-versed in books of every genre.

The boxing thing is notable,


It adds onto this. With Dio not just knowing how to box, but having mastered it at the age of 12. Doubly notable, is the fact his bitchass was doing swaying techniques half a century before they became a thing, dude basically invented swaying.
 
Lort15 said:
I have a question could prime jotaro (18 years old) beat MIH Pucci?
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Probably. While not canon, EoH seems to go that route and have him manhandle him.

It's important to remember that Jotaro when he fought MIH was weakened due to having just came out of a coma. He's still strong in general, but his ass took a major hit. It's why his sustainability is a E now.
 
Chariot190 said:
Probably. While not canon, EoH seems to go that route and have him manhandle him.

It's important to remember that Jotaro when he fought MIH was weakened due to having just came out of a coma. He's still strong in general, but his ass took a major hit. It's why his sustainability is a E now.
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Yeah right people are ignoring that jotaro was weakened in the fight just because his ts duration increased people thinks it's his strongest version while it's not 💀💀💀
 
Lort15 said:
Yeah right people are ignoring that jotaro was weakened in the fight just because his ts duration increased people thinks it's his strongest version while it's not 💀💀💀
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Part 3 Jotaro is not only stated to be his prime, in that very arc, but also had 5 seconds of time stop, a fact that took him not even 150 seconds to reach, as opposed to later in life where it took like two months to reach back to half that.

People just wild, we know he got nerfed too, the JoJo mag makes mention offhandily his illness is literally why he got a stat drop to an E.
 
Chariot190 said:
Part 3 Jotaro is not only stated to be his prime, in that very arc, but also had 5 seconds of time stop, a fact that took him not even 150 seconds to reach, as opposed to later in life where it took like two months to reach back to half that.

People just wild, we know he got nerfed too, the JoJo mag makes mention offhandily his illness is literally why he got a stat drop to an E.
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Fr, i still find funny how jotaro increased his ts duration to 5 second in a short time blud just woke up from the coma and mastered his ts while running to the fight 😭😭😭🙏🏽🙏🏽
 
Lort15 said:
Fr, i still find funny how jotaro increased his ts duration to 5 second in a short time blud just woke up from the coma and mastered his ts while running to the fight 😭😭😭🙏🏽🙏🏽
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He probably already had it. The 2 second time stop, isn't actually real, that was Whitesnake's knowledge that he showed Jolyne, not the real Jotaro.

He probably had it 5 seconds given he's been fighting Stands for years now, unlike before Part 4.
 
Chariot190 said:
He probably already had it. The 2 second time stop, isn't actually real, that was Whitesnake's knowledge that he showed Jolyne, not the real Jotaro.

He probably had it 5 seconds given he's been fighting Stands for years now, unlike before Part 4.
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If i remember correctly jotaro said he could stop time 2 secs to Dodge bullets i don't remember if it was in manga or anime but it was at the start of part 6
 
Lort15 said:
If i remember correctly jotaro said he could stop time 2 secs to Dodge bullets i don't remember if it was in manga or anime but it was at the start of part 6
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Yes, that was Whitesnake's dream though, and not his dream either but Jolyne's.
That tells us Whitesnake thinks he can only stop time for 2 seconds. But that is later shown false when Jotaro immediately after getting out from the coma, has 5 second time stop. He didn't do anything, we're told he immediately went to where they were after waking up even in spite of his failing body and bad condition.

This does make sense though, we're told after Part 4 he fought many Stands for good. The reason it went down in Part 4, was because he refrained from using it so it dwinddled. But through Part 4, we know him using it started off as 0.5 seconds, and ended at about 2.5 so it doesn't go back up that quick.

Which is to say, based on the info we have and what follows, Whitesnake was just wrong.
 
darkphantom9805 said:
How are stands have layered noncorporal ?
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A few things mostly involving other noncorporal slop like some ghosts, youkai, demons, even hamon because that's intangible apparently (So basic NPI that can **** with these nc things, but can't touch stands type deal, also a few statements but eh I prefer feats).

Though this seems to be a common question hence why I'm adding slop for it directly to the CRT, along with the ESP shit too being layered and all examples of ESP in verse, and all other NPI's Stands have as well (they have quit a few beyond spiritual NPI, the most common one is being able to interact with various elements tho, like Logia shit).

Which fyi is why the Part 3 CRT is taking forever, obviously there's shit Stands get as a whole that come from beyond Part 3, and I compile everything, not just a single example.
Which was a mistake fyi, I shouldn't have went "Damn I should compile everytime a Stand interacts with a Stand for NPI lmao". Like wow shocker that there's gonna be literally thousands of scans involved.
 
Chariot190 said:
A few things mostly involving other noncorporal slop like some ghosts, youkai, demons, even hamon because that's intangible apparently (So basic NPI that can **** with these nc things, but can't touch stands type deal, also a few statements but eh I prefer feats).

Though this seems to be a common question hence why I'm adding slop for it directly to the CRT, along with the ESP shit too being layered and all examples of ESP in verse, and all other NPI's Stands have as well (they have quit a few beyond spiritual NPI, the most common one is being able to interact with various elements tho, like Logia shit).

Which fyi is why the Part 3 CRT is taking forever, obviously there's shit Stands get as a whole that come from beyond Part 3, and I compile everything, not just a single example.
Which was a mistake fyi, I shouldn't have went "Damn I should compile everytime a Stand interacts with a Stand for NPI lmao". Like wow shocker that there's gonna be literally thousands of scans involved.
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But ghosts can interact with stands or no like atom heart father can see stands and reimi knew they had powers
 
darkphantom9805 said:
But ghosts can interact with stands or no like atom heart father can see stands and reimi knew they had powers
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What? No they can't?
AHF is a Stand ability, it's owned by a ghost, but the ghost himself can not. The ghost can see Stands, but, that ghost has a Stand so of course he can?
Reimi knew what a Stand was, but she never interacted with one.

Also that first one is a case of ESP, not NPI. We know characters that can see ghosts, can't perceive Stands. A good example in Part 4 is Mikitaka, who explicitly can't perceive CD, Stands, and is stated that he can't by WoG. But he can talk with Reimi and see her plus the alley, even though they're invisible to 99% of the town.

And before you bring it up, the "Ghost Hands" aren't ghosts nor are they ever actually called that in JoJo, it's a fan name, they're some weird fucky force of nature like WoU if I had to compare.
 
Emerald said:
huh?
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Apparently.
In hindsight, should have been obvious given, ya know, the fact it can be channeled through stuff beyond just water and metal and pass through solid surfaces like straight up brick walls and rock, but actual yap is nice
 
Actually you goons make yourself useful.

If any of you can think of resistances to add to characters start yapping. Mostly for Part 3 atm.

Like I got a few, Polnareff's chivalry was stated to be so strong it overrode the Flesh Bud and Dio's commands, that's a nice res, or Chariot's armor enabling it to be lit ablaze with fire that melted rock and be fine, before tanking CFH with "superficial minor burns" which is stated to dissolve others and has feats like melting and vaporizng rock in that same fight let alone other statements (For ref, that's like uneffected by 1,500c heat, and slightly scoffed by 3000~). That's ice heat res. Or even minor ones like Jotaro staying cognizant after both his DISC's were taken through force of will, it's minor but it's there.

Just resistances, obvious ones be obvious, but ya never some stuff is easy to miss.
Emerald said:
When do they say this? Is it in one the guides?
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Pretty sure it was mag but I'd have to dig in the folder, might do so later if I remember like with Dio scan last night.
 
Chariot190 said:
Actually you goons make yourself useful.

If any of you can think of resistances to add to characters start yapping. Mostly for Part 3 atm.

Like I got a few, Polnareff's chivalry was stated to be so strong it overrode the Flesh Bud and Dio's commands, that's a nice res, or Chariot's armor enabling it to be lit ablaze with fire that melted rock and be fine, before tanking CFH with "superficial minor burns" which is stated to dissolve others and has feats like melting and vaporizng rock in that same fight let alone other statements (For ref, that's like uneffected by 1,500c heat, and slightly scoffed by 3000~). That's ice heat res. Or even minor ones like Jotaro staying cognizant after both his DISC's were taken through force of will, it's minor but it's there.

Just resistances, obvious ones be obvious, but ya never some stuff is easy to miss.

Pretty sure it was mag but I'd have to dig in the folder, might do so later if I remember like with Dio scan last night.
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who are your favorite characters from each part
 
Nierre said:
who are your favorite characters from each part
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Jonathan or Dio.
Joseph.
Polnareff.
Kira
Bruno.
Jolyne, Pucci, Weather (like about the same).
Gyro
Josuke
Jodio.

This doesn't mean those my favorites tho, like 90% of Part 7's cast > part 1. Those just who i like the most from said part.
 
Baken384 said:
my favorite chars for each part
1: jotaro kujo (seen in op)
2: jotaro kujo ( seen in ending)
3: jotaro kujo
4 jotaro kujo
5: jotaro kujo
6: jotaro kujo
7: jotaro kujo (seen in stand rules chapter)
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8 and 9?
 
I was busy today but I know damn well I was supposed to do something on forum I fruget what tho...
 
SlendVeny said:
Josefumi is Alt. Jotaro, and he got offscreened ngl
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You could say that, but it's moreso Kira that is Alt. Jotaro. Though he had KQ, his position on the Joestar bloodline in the SBR continuity makes him take Jotaro's place, being the son of Holly.

This does make Hat Josuke the Alt equivalent of Jotaro as well, considering he's a fusion of both Josefumi and Kira, leading him to inherit the Kujo name and the family position of Kira. The real alt Josuke equivalent is Norisuke IV considering his mother was Tomoko.
 
Anyways, new chapter today, big things coming.

We see Laem and Ningbo interrogate Meryl, and we get to see Ningbo's stand power, it looks brutal. Also potentially more material to cement Paco's status as GOAT of the team.
 
Charming Man 180'd back into being what we all thought he was. This obviously gives him resistances and stats as we're flatout told a baseline for all that elsewhere.
Would also let us buff NR's single drop a bit as he could rip a chunk out of his leg. Would be like Class K drop due to ya know, the meme.
 
Chariot190 said:
Charming Man 180'd back into being what we all thought he was. This obviously gives him resistances and stats as we're flatout told a baseline for all that elsewhere.
Would also let us buff NR's single drop a bit as he could rip a chunk out of his leg. Would be like Class K drop due to ya know, the meme.
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Isn't this also an upgrade for Paco since he was throwing hands with Charming Man?
 
AnAverageUsername said:
Isn't this also an upgrade for Paco since he was throwing hands with Charming Man?
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No, Paco has like 3 metal denting feats. He tapped Jodio and deformed the table, he punched Charming Man into a table and split it (these tables made of metal) and he caved in the elevator plate.

NR scales to Paco given Charming Man tanks punch, NR can hurt Charming Man. But that's scaling, now that we know 100%, (and looking through the chs like when he enters Usagi), we can 100% use stone deformatio for him, and thus calc actual values for NR. AP isn't a big deal because the metal plate punch is gonna be higher, but the LS of one drop and speed we can get in that scene with Charming Man and it's gonna be a pretty hefty upgrade. Class K almost 100% for one drop and probably MHS+.
 
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