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xDAltBhavaagra said:GER has infinity + 5000 speed so shut up
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xDAltBhavaagra said:GER has infinity + 5000 speed so shut up
Not immediately, no.ProfessorLord said:Can someone easily explain the logic behind infinite speed GER for me? Is he not just resetting Diavolo's effect of erased time on Giorno?
That's only possibly infinite then. If he's unable to move in a time stop, that's not fully infinite.ProfessorLord said:Also funny enough Pucci does resist time-stop to a minor degree. He can see and react within it, and Made In Heaven drastically accelerates the rate at which stopped time passes making Jotaro 5 seconds actually something like barely 2.
I know , that's about GER doe.ProfessorLord said:No it's just resistance to timestop. Infinite speed is almost never given if a character is moving in stopped time unless it has been explicitly stated.
We're still an indexing wiki so it gets included regardless. Besides, there may exist matchups where an opponent can negate or prevent the universe from resetting but are stil vulnerable to the now infinite speed Pucci.ProfessorLord said:However, him ever reaching such a speed immediately causes a reset. His infinite speed is a fact, he just cannot use it for anything other than resetting the universe.
The universe would only reset once if he reaches such speed because his speed immediately ends once the universe collapses.
He did, by moving with no time means that he moved at those speeds. Literally, you can't resist not having time. You can resist time getting removed, but you cannot resist not having time. Due to the visual effects, it is clear that his time was erased, so it cannot be resistence. Moving with no time is the speed feat, so he has moved with those speeds. He has no contradicting feats, so it is consistent.Firephoenixearl said:By use it i mean "USE IT IN ANY FIGHT EVER". He has never moved at those speeds, so it's not consistent. Since he has never used it on anyone it is not consistent. Speed that is never used outside of a time hax? Yup, sounds like resistance to me.
There is a TON of speculation on how it is done. So you cannot just slap the best option on it.
A single feat can be dismissed as a mere outlier, there needs to be something consistant. You know about Medaka Box, all you need to do is take a look at it and realize how much stuff can be dismissed as a mere outlier.
The visuals you were talking about are the same. Diavolo and GER's visual effects were the exact same with the afterimages. Diavolo is not stuck in time because "he still has time" (which is something he stated himself), if his visual effect is the same as GER's visual effect means that GER also could move because of the "he still had time" reason. So even by visual effect it points towards resistance.
And again i already got a ton of acceptance on this, so this is practically concluded.
Read my rebuttle to himProfessorLord said:Can someone easily explain the logic behind infinite speed GER for me? Is he not just resetting Diavolo's effect of erased time on Giorno?
Please read the rebuttle I gave to his initial points. Even if what he says is true, regardless of which way you cut it, it still turns out infinite speedArbitraryNumbers said:GER gets a downgrade, yes.
Diavolo's ability is poorly translated too IIRC. That's why the meme is "it just works". Diavolo's time erasure doesn't even stop people from moving, and IIRC GER wasn't moving until after the time erasure ended.
That doesn't matter, God Tiers are allowed to have massive power gaps from the rest of the verse. Weather Report can literally destroy the atmosphere, which is leagues above everyone else in the original universe yet it still flies. Simply because it "feels" like an outlier off of a knee jerk reaction, does not mean it isProfessorLord said:Honestly, infinite speed is such a gap between literally any other character in the series (except for Pucci but his is non combat-applicable) that it should just be an outlier.
I re-read what you said and I still don't understand how this is not a case of GER reverting the erased time back to normal. It's not Crazy Diamond; he should be able to revert what has been erased.
Doesn't matter, same veign still applies. SCR is not a direct combat stand, so why bring it up? You know Requiem stands are based on the desire of their user at the time of the pearcing, so why bring up a stand clealy not meant even close to the point of GER. He also literally got an upgrade never seen by anyone else, except SCR which is different for obvious reasons, so they are not comparable.ProfessorLord said:It's not related to tier but related to speed. Literally nobody, even SCR has approached infinite speeds. Weather Report uses environmental destruction and is tied with Valentine anyway, so bad example.
Events still happen and occur in the erased time including breathing, speaking, moving, etc. They just do not traditionally have any effect during that period of time. GER being able to reset it mid-time erasure is more so that GER is powerful enough to overcome and negate Diavolo's ability rather than him being able to fight and move at infinite speeds.
Wtf do you mean? You cannot resist having no time. If you dump GER in the void, will he suddenly resist not having time and still move? If he has no time, and took an action to undo the erasure, that's still infinite speedFirephoenixearl said:There is no reaction in 0 time, i mean resistance requires no reaction. You are just resistant.
Yes, that is right. He is a God tier, God tiers are allowed to be astronomically faster and stronger than everyone else. You cannot use lower tier characters to disprove a higher tier character unless that lower tier character has at some point proven a level of supremecy or comparability over the higher tier character. Its the exception Fallacy. Silver Chariot Requiem is borderline not even a combat stand, so it is incomparable. It may be far higher for the verse, but that is nothing new in fiction, Having one character astronomically faster or stronger than the others. So there is no issue. GER has one feat, so it cannot be an outlier for himProfessorLord said:Regardless, Giorno is still the only infinite speed user. Other requiem stands don't have such speeds and even a stand designed to move at that speeds cannot use it for combat. This sounds like a major outlier so it will require extraordinary proof.
Correct, so Giorno negating it mid-time erasure is not proof that he can move in a timeless void (which is untrue, Diavolo is just using colorful language. Time still exists.) but moreso proof that Giorno's power can overwhelm the usual lack of consequence. He's not resisting a timeless void, he's performing actions in a period of time where all effect and consequence are erased. That's resisting Diavolo's hax, not moving at infinite speeds.
He will resist having his time erased by Diavolo. Visuals are a moot point if you can't show me the creator saying "this is used to describe the time was erased", you are not the author so that is just your intepretation, your opinion, your idea of what is happening, which are all non valid points of view, the only valid one is the author's point of view, unless you can show us the authors intent then the "visuals" argument is invalid.Iapitus The Impaler said:Wtf do you mean? You cannot resist having no time. If you dump GER in the void, will he suddenly resist not having time and still move? If he has no time, and took an action to undo the erasure, that's still infinite speedFirephoenixearl said:There is no reaction in 0 time, i mean resistance requires no reaction. You are just resistant.
Yes, it is. Its outright contradicting every instance of the source material. The secondary source that is his profile is a metaphor, not the literal interworkingsProfessorLord said:Time is not literally erased. Read the explanation on his profile.
You've divulged into head canon territory. It's not a timeless void, it's a void diluted of consequence and action. Literally says that in his phenomenal explanation.
Ger can still resist Erasing Time.Kahndaq Lord said:Iapitus has my vote.
You ca resist Time Manipulation, but that is not the case here. King Crimson literally erases Time, GER moving in the absence of time itself by default qualifies for Infinite speed, not even going to touch on the "none" stuff.
Overcomplicating the context behind the feat doesn't help.