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I never said Diavolo resists stop straw hatting me. I said Diavolo approved my resistance. Untill you can prove by any means why it is infinite speed, it is resistance.Yobobojojo said:
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Jojo infinite speed downgrades.
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You don't have your own individual time. He erased part of time, and Giorno still moved around in that area. To say that he resists something that is not him getting erased is silly. Do I have tier 8 durability for walking around in a crater?
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Strawman, not strawhat...
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It is getting him erased doe.Wokistan said:
Diavolo specifically said he erases the time of "everyone" which means every "person" not the universe itself, every person is also getting affected, except for Diavolo, his own time is not getting affected. Check scan in OP.
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Luffy's newest crew member, who ate the straw straw no mi and is a strawman.The real cal howard said:
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It makes you resist conventional time stop doe.Wokistan said:
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I give up, have mercy on me.The real cal howard said:
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You see the thing is is that his time was still erased, yet he moved around anyways without any time. A resistance would be if diavolo was unable to resist his time, whereas here it is erased but that is irrelevant due to GER.
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No it wasn't. He resisted. Diav tried to erase GER's time, he failed. GER's time was never erased due to the resistance so he could still move around easily even if there was no time.Wokistan said:
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To be honest i have no comment on this topic mainly because the speed stats on MIH says infinte so debating that is kinda useless and as for Ger speed check this old thread about it and yeah just came to post that meme.
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MIH is undeniably infinite speed then.
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That's not NLF, Schreiber has the same ability.
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@ Torlikoff and @DragonEmperor23
Now that you both mention I need to make a CRT about the NLF for characters with abilities status "move faster no matter what" due to the fact Gagamaru Chougasaki has the NLF note on his profile yet multiple characters do not.
Now that you both mention I need to make a CRT about the NLF for characters with abilities status "move faster no matter what" due to the fact Gagamaru Chougasaki has the NLF note on his profile yet multiple characters do not.
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Encounter's a bit different than abilities straight up described as scaling to the speed of others. Notably, Medaka clearly couldn't encounter away the force her blowing up the moon imparts on her own body, and Medaka gets better versions of the OG skills.
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@Wokistan.
I don't want to derail the thread too much, so I'll wait for the CRT. For now I think its best we stick to the JoJo issue.
I don't want to derail the thread too much, so I'll wait for the CRT. For now I think its best we stick to the JoJo issue.
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Made In Heaven works a little weird.
The stand itself increases the speed at which normal space-time passes for everything except living creatures; Pucci himself is moving at this increased rate of speed, so it's not so much so that he's moving faster than everyone just that everyone is working on a slower "clock". You can refer to this as a form of universal time-slow for other people rather than time-acceleration for himself. Eventually, his clock will fast forward at a fast enough rate that it WILL reach infinite speeds (as evident by Araki literally listing it as his specific value on the stand stats), but doing so will cause the universe to accelerate at such a speed as well.
This will effectively cause the universe to immediately end, and since Pucci's ability is based on the Big Bounce theory, the big bang will start once more and cause events to play into motion with slight differences based on who died in the previous universe.
So yes, he can reach infinite speeds but doing so causes the universe (with the exception of other living beings) to accelerate at an infinite rate as well. This will cause the universe to immediately end and reset.
(Also infinite speeds grants you resistance to time-stop by default. Pucci did not have resistance to Jotaro's time-stop.)
The stand itself increases the speed at which normal space-time passes for everything except living creatures; Pucci himself is moving at this increased rate of speed, so it's not so much so that he's moving faster than everyone just that everyone is working on a slower "clock". You can refer to this as a form of universal time-slow for other people rather than time-acceleration for himself. Eventually, his clock will fast forward at a fast enough rate that it WILL reach infinite speeds (as evident by Araki literally listing it as his specific value on the stand stats), but doing so will cause the universe to accelerate at such a speed as well.
This will effectively cause the universe to immediately end, and since Pucci's ability is based on the Big Bounce theory, the big bang will start once more and cause events to play into motion with slight differences based on who died in the previous universe.
So yes, he can reach infinite speeds but doing so causes the universe (with the exception of other living beings) to accelerate at an infinite rate as well. This will cause the universe to immediately end and reset.
(Also infinite speeds grants you resistance to time-stop by default. Pucci did not have resistance to Jotaro's time-stop.)
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I propose we list him as simply unknown for our traditional speed system but clarify that his ability has put him at speeds far far greater than even stands such as Star Platinum and Stone Free. He has borderline speed blitzed an entire party of MFTL stand users by "accelerating time".
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I agree with OP on Giorno. Nullifying the removal of time does not mean you are moving in an area void of time. GER has passive negation; he can remove the ability or certain aspects of it before it can take effect. Therefore it stands to reason he simply negated the time being frozen aspect for himself.
He would still be MFTL based on the original GE but I am also fine with listing him as unknown due to lack of conclusive evidence.
He would still be MFTL based on the original GE but I am also fine with listing him as unknown due to lack of conclusive evidence.
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You know, it's kinda funny that Jotaro and the others have MFTL reactions but had trouble tracking Pucci when he was running around at only a few times the speed of sound.
Just an amsuing observation.
Just an amsuing observation.
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About MiH i never doubted him being able to accelerate time and universe ending and stuff. What i mean is this:
No matter how much you accelerate you won't reach infinity itself. You can reach any countably infinte number, not infinity itself doe. Infinity is literally another name for "unreachable" so you cannot reach the unreachable no matter how much you accelerate. You can achieve any number, literally just a google times speed of light, a google plust times speed of light, whatever number you want is achievable, not infinity itselfe doe. You cannot reach infinity via simple acceleration, it is just not possible. Now to prove why the universe and databook don't matter imma explain myself:
1. The databook, it says MiH is infinite. It's true, though it's more like "infinite potential" not "infinity itself". It is just impossible to put his stat as any different than infinity (in databooks) because he can literally just keep on increasing his speed over and over and over, his speed is unlimited (which sometimes ppl use the word infinity even though it's wrong), though it's not infinity itself. In his speed stat we can put "as fast as he wants" "countably infinite" or "unlimited". Long story short, he can reach any number, he cannot become infinity doe.
2. The universe ending, is just him speeding up so much the universe ending is 1 instant away (1 planck instant), that is still not infinite. Infinite would mean the universe ending infinite times in not an instant, not even something infinitely smaller than an instant, but in literal 0 seconds.
About MiH i never doubted him being able to accelerate time and universe ending and stuff. What i mean is this:
No matter how much you accelerate you won't reach infinity itself. You can reach any countably infinte number, not infinity itself doe. Infinity is literally another name for "unreachable" so you cannot reach the unreachable no matter how much you accelerate. You can achieve any number, literally just a google times speed of light, a google plust times speed of light, whatever number you want is achievable, not infinity itselfe doe. You cannot reach infinity via simple acceleration, it is just not possible. Now to prove why the universe and databook don't matter imma explain myself:
1. The databook, it says MiH is infinite. It's true, though it's more like "infinite potential" not "infinity itself". It is just impossible to put his stat as any different than infinity (in databooks) because he can literally just keep on increasing his speed over and over and over, his speed is unlimited (which sometimes ppl use the word infinity even though it's wrong), though it's not infinity itself. In his speed stat we can put "as fast as he wants" "countably infinite" or "unlimited". Long story short, he can reach any number, he cannot become infinity doe.
2. The universe ending, is just him speeding up so much the universe ending is 1 instant away (1 planck instant), that is still not infinite. Infinite would mean the universe ending infinite times in not an instant, not even something infinitely smaller than an instant, but in literal 0 seconds.
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Nope. He can 0 reset. He has never used it for speed amp.Yobobojojo said:
Causality Manip can be used for speed amps (like how Kumagawa who is like a brother to GER can), but 0 reset is a bit specific.
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You didnt read what I said at all.
If you suddenly accelerate to infinity mph you will reach a speed of infinite. Pucci has the aility to accelerate to such a speed. Its stated in the databook as such.
However, him ever reaching such a speed immediately causea a reset. His infinite speed is a fact, he just cannot use it for anything other than resetting the universe.
The universe would only reset once if he reaches such speed because his speed immediately ends once the universe collapses.
If you suddenly accelerate to infinity mph you will reach a speed of infinite. Pucci has the aility to accelerate to such a speed. Its stated in the databook as such.
However, him ever reaching such a speed immediately causea a reset. His infinite speed is a fact, he just cannot use it for anything other than resetting the universe.
The universe would only reset once if he reaches such speed because his speed immediately ends once the universe collapses.
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That's the point doe. You cannot accelerate to infinity mph, it is just not possible to accelerate to infinity. You can accelerate to any countably infinite number, not infinity itself.
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Thats Jojo and fiction in general for ya. You also cannot be a vampire, have a manifestation of your soul, have MFTL reactions, etc.
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Yeah but there needs to be a strong argument for why it is possible. Defying logic is ofc acceptable in fiction. Is there any scene of him stating (or someone else) to have reached infinity?ProfessorLord said:
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