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[Dr._whiteee]

Earthquake Calculations

An earthquake (also known as a quake, tremor or temblor) is the perceptible shaking of the surface of the Earth. Earthquakes can be violent enough to toss people around and destroy whole cities. Such earthquakes being caused by characters are a method useable to determine Attack Potency. For the...

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Literally what are you talking about

So you called a bunch of guys who don't know anything about earthquakes is what I'm hearing, instead of the earthquake specialists like Migue, DT, or others, and they told you "the method used to measure tectonic movement is used for when tectonic movement isn't applicable".

@Migue79 or @DontTalkDT can you guys shed light on when we use Seismic Moment, instead of whatever it is I'm hearing here?

Literally, read what an earthquake is, my guy. If Gojo is causing 6+ magnitude effects at sea level while being thousands of meters underwater, he would need to create a seismic moment powerful enough to send said energy waves thousands of feet to the surface. Radiated energy does not exist in a vacuum. That's like telling me how much energy is needed to create a flame by telling me only of the heat felt by your skin from 2 inches away.

I literally just told you I had the site Beuracrat tag the appropriate members, and the thread has been up for months. **** am I supposed to know vs wiki has a dedicated team of individuals who specialize in (incorrectly) evaluating earthquake feats lmao?

 

[KingTempest]

Literally, read what an earthquake is, my guy. If Gojo is causing 6+ magnitude effects at sea level while being thousands of meters underwater, he would need to create a seismic moment powerful enough to send said energy waves thousands of feet to the surface. Radiated energy does not exist in a vacuum. That's like telling me how much energy is needed to create a flame by telling me only of the heat felt by your skin from 2 inches away.

You don't even know what a seismic moment is.
You don't create a "seismic moment".
A seismic moment is the unit of measurement to measure the size of an earthquake.
That's like saying you'd need to make a meter strong enough to reach 2 meters away.

The radiated energy is the energy sent out from an earthquake.
The Total Seismic Moment Energy is the energy of the radiated energy + the energy from the tectonic plates moving.
Which is why we differentiate between meteor impact earthquakes, natural earthquakes, and separate fictional earthquakes.

Gojo isn't moving tectonic plates and causing an earthquake from moving said tectonic plates (natural earthquake). He's deep underwater and his energy shooting out is causing the earthquake.

I have literally broken down the formula for the earthquakes dozens of times in order to fully understand every part of it, and the earthquake formula that utilizes the Total Seismic Moment is literally calculating the ****** energy of the tectonic plates moving

If you want to calculate the energy he shot, use radiated energy and the specific magnitude.
Total Seismic Moment Energy is the energy utilized to move tectonic plates and cause an earthquake

I literally just told you I had the site Beuracrat tag the appropriate members, and the thread has been up for months. **** am I supposed to know vs wiki has a dedicated team of individuals who specialize in (incorrectly) evaluating earthquake feats lmao?

Send the link of the thread

 

[Migue79]

@Migue79 or @DontTalkDT can you guys shed light on when we use Seismic Moment, instead of whatever it is I'm hearing here?

We use Total Seismic Waves whenever there’s a natural Earthquake caused by tectonic fault slip (the tectonic plates move alongside each other). If there’s no proof of any natural tectonic movement, then we don’t use it and stick to Radiated Waves. ‘Cause there’s no guarantee that certain assumptions actually do hold up for artificially created Earthquakes via impact with floor (whether it be via punching the ground too hard or via meteor impact, neither of which require fault slip movement which is what TSM calculates).

 

[KingTempest]

We use Total Seismic Waves whenever there’s a natural Earthquake caused by tectonic fault slip (the tectonic plates move alongside each other). If there’s no proof of any natural tectonic movement, then we don’t use it and stick to Radiated Waves. ‘Cause there’s no guarantee that certain assumptions actually do hold up for artificially created Earthquakes via impact with floor (whether it be via punching the ground too hard or via meteor impact, neither of which require fault slip movement which is what TSM calculates).

Thank you

 

[KingTempest]

Nanami's calc and Gojo's highballed calcs are now flawed because of these assumptions

Nanami's calc can't use the Multi-City Block value unless you actually calculate the destruction he caused directly
Gojo's calc needs to use the tier 7 result

 

[Dr._whiteee]

You don't even know what a seismic moment is.
You don't create a "seismic moment".
A seismic moment is the unit of measurement to measure the size of an earthquake.
That's like saying you'd need to make a meter strong enough to reach 2 meters away.

Yes, because seismic moment is used to calculate IRL Earthquakes and they don't happen outside of happenstance. I don't see how that is relevant to my argument.

The radiated energy is the energy sent out from an earthquake.

Radiated energy is the leftover energy that occurs after the event stemming from the seismic moment. In order for something to radiate such waves, a person would have to be creating an equivalent moment of energy in order to replicate such feats. Once again, radiated energy is not something that is occurring in a vacuum, it is approximately related to seismic moment but also has a bunch of other conditions which impact it.

Which isn't what we are concerned with regarding earthquake feats.

The Total Seismic Moment Energy is the energy of the radiated energy + the energy from the tectonic plates moving.
Which is why we differentiate between meteor impact earthquakes, natural earthquakes, and separate fictional earthquakes.

Gojo isn't moving tectonic plates and causing an earthquake from moving said tectonic plates (natural earthquake). He's deep underwater and his energy shooting out is causing the earthquake.

Yes, and said energy he shoots out is causing effects on the surface, similar to effects consistent with a seismic moment of similar radiated energy, that is what I am saying.

You cannot just use the radiated energy value alone. We have literally had thousands of test of explosives underground and underwater with stuff ranging from building level to city level, none of our bombs can even come close to the energy of shallow earthquakes of similar depth (whether underground or underwater.). Utilizing radiated energy, you'd essentially be saying a town level nuke at the bottom of the sea, could result directly in a 6+ magnitude Earthquake. That is objectively invalid.

If you are throwing away equating character energy being equivalent to a complimentary SM, then you throw the calc out in it's entirely.

The Nanami calc also utilizes this method so it too would be thrown out, as it too would not be accurate to utilized the radiated energy value for the observed effect the calc is looking at.

I have literally broken down the formula for the earthquakes dozens of times in order to fully understand every part of it, and the earthquake formula that utilizes the Total Seismic Moment is literally calculating the ****** energy of the tectonic plates moving

It's calculating the torque between the plates moving over a certain area and the displacement between them (which also involves pressure).

So the event goes
Seismic Moment -> Radiated energy -> observed effect. You can not cut out the beginning aspect and pretend like only the middle man is acting for the feat here, as explained, we know that level of energy would not be capable of showing us the resultant earthquake.

Send the link of the thread

Gojo Calc Resolution/Earthquake Calcs

This thread is being made to discuss what end of this calculation (assuming a 4.5 Richter scale equivalent) should be applied to the character's profiles. You can read my comment there raising some concerns about utilizing the low end (which is essentially just the radiated energy) for that calc...

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[KingTempest]

I don't know who told you all these lies

So the event goes
Seismic Moment -> Radiated energy -> observed effect. You can not cut out the beginning aspect and pretend like only the middle man is acting for the feat here, as explained, we know that level of energy would not be capable of showing us the resultant earthquake.

If you aren't moving tectonic plates, there is no seismic moment

So then you can cut it out

Then you use radiated energy for the actual shaking if you're the cause of the shaking and not a meteor or the tectonic plates

That's how it works

 

[Dr._whiteee]

I don't know who told you all these lies


If you aren't moving tectonic plates, there is no seismic moment

So then you can cut it out

Then you use radiated energy for the actual shaking if you're the cause of the shaking and not a meteor or the tectonic plates

That's how it works

That's not how Earthquakes work. If you think you can release town-level energy at the Mariana Trencth and directly cause Earthquake levels we saw, idk what to tell you. Until I get my thread resolved, the calcs should be considered invalid, as the radiated energy value is useless as an astronomical low ball.

 

[KingTempest]

That's not how Earthquakes work. If you think you can release town-level energy at the Mariana Trencth and directly cause Earthquake levels we saw, idk what to tell you.

I don't think you know what the total seismic energy induces

The total seismic energy has nothing to do with the levels of the earthquake visible outside of the corresponding magnitude.
You can release town level energy and shake a bunch of shit.

You know you can shake the entire planet with small country levels of energy. You can shake a damn city from a trench with town levels of energy

Until I get my thread resolved, the calcs should be considered invalid, as the radiated energy value is useless as an astronomical low ball.

Agreed

 

[Dr._whiteee]

I don't think you know what the total seismic energy induces

The total seismic energy has nothing to do with the levels of the earthquake visible outside of the corresponding magnitude.
You can release town level energy and shake a bunch of shit.

You know you can shake the entire planet with small country levels of energy. You can shake a damn city from a trench with town levels of energy

Shaking something =/ Earthquake. We had a gas explosion of a building a few years back and you could feel your house shake from the shockwave across the city. Doesn't mean the building sized explosion created an earthquake. You cannot shake a sizeable volume of the Earth's crust without extreme amounts of energy, which is why even noticeable earthquakes require substantial moments. Once again, we have tested this out with kilotons and megatons already, and outside of top nukes, bombs are not causing earthquakes.

Take the Nanami calc, the idea that he caused a 2.0 earthquake across the town because he used <<<<.01 tons of TNT, is hilariously absurd. a 375 tons bomb, however, could be responsible for slight shaking due to the fact that Nanami wasn't substantially under too much of the Earth's crust being in a subway. Seismic energy is MUCH more accurate than utilizing the radiated energy for invalid reasons.

Here you can see how Earthquakes radiate energy radially from their source. The thing creating the waves, has to be much stronger than the resultant waves, especially as they increase in distance which you know substantially weakens them (as is the same with energy say radiated from an explosion). Obviously Gojo is not a massive fault line, the point is that the energy he excused, was able to create an observable magnitude 6 Earthquake, meaning he must be in the ballpark of said seismic moment usually the result of the torque between massive plates. Gojo is literally the focus of the Earthquake.

This is the whole reason that Richter scale was phased out, as earthquakes are much more powerful and seismographs are picking up the watered down energy hitting us on or much closer to the surface. The SM is used with the Seismic moment scale to utilize size of the fault, as obviously when not using ninja life magic, reality does this with pure physicality.

 

[SunDaGamer]

Regarding Nanami's calc, magnitude 2 on the Japan Meteorological Agency's seismic intensity scale is the equivalent to Mercalli's intensity of II-III which is 2 to 4 on the Richter scale so magnitude 3 on the Richter scale should be fine to use since Junpei and Yuji were able to feel shaking. The Radiated Energy for magnitude 2 from 3 km away is already on the calc's page.

• (3) + 0.0238*3= 3.0714
• 10^(1.5*(3.0714)+4.8) = 2.55328915153e+9 Joules, 0.61 Tons (Building level)

Magnitude 4 end would be:

• 10^(1.5*(4.0714)+4.8) = 8.07420924385e+10 Joules, 19.3 Tons (City Block level)

We should scrap the Overtime calc and scale Yuji to Hanami (whose calc is still pending the 1/4mv^2 value edit) or Mahito's 8-A calc instead then Nobara scales to 8-A with Resonance for harming Eso and Kechizu (who could eat Yuji's punches) during the Death Painting Arc and Overtime Nanami scales above Nobara

 

[Migue79]

Okay… So, the gist of one of the current discussion point is that because there’s Radiated Waves and that it’s a fictional Earthquake, that there MUST be Tectonic movement, and as such, Earthquake calcs that use Radiated Waves must be thrown out?

Yeah… no, I do not agree with this take at all. Once again, you don’t need to cause tectonic fault slip for radiated waves to propagate across a surface. A strong enough impact on the surface will do that and that’d still very much be an earthquake (after all, earthquake is just a shaking of the ground that causes destruction). A good chunk of the energy of an object hitting the surface will transfer the energy over. Conservation of Energy, you know?

Here’s an experiment one can try to test this out: slam your desk with your fist as hard as you can in rage while you lose while getting earraped by Russian CSGO players cannonball into a pool. A good chunk of your KE is transferred into the water and you’ll notice waves and ripples move across the water. That’s all energy travelling across the water.

Very similar principle here with artificially created Earthquakes via punching the ground or any strong impact to a surface (and in some cases Asteroid impacts). And that all can give values to be used for the Richter scale, which we use for Radiated Waves. Boom, simple.

On the other hand, the Total Seismic Moments you’d have to go into making assumptions like what the composition of the fault line (which varies a lot), how long the fault line is, how much it moved, etc. And these are all assumptions that YOU NEED TO PROVE (because they vary so much and will impact the results), but ULTIMATELY CAN’T. It gets too complicated because it is. We can’t ignore these complications just because ‘it’s fiction’. One has to respect the formula’s strict variables or don’t bother.

So… Yeah. That’s my opinion for now on that.

 

[Dr._whiteee]

Okay… So, the gist of one of the current discussion point is that because there’s Radiated Waves and that it’s a fictional Earthquake, that there MUST be Tectonic movement, and as such, Earthquake calcs that use Radiated Waves must be thrown out?

That's not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing that in absence of the tectonic movement, these characters are clearly exerting energy comparable to the Seismic moment dimensions, as opposed to clearly event which caused the radiated wave themselves.

Yeah… no, I do not agree with this take at all. Once again, you don’t need to cause tectonic fault slip for radiated waves to propagate across a surface. A strong enough impact on the surface will do that and that’d still very much be an earthquake (after all, earthquake is just a shaking of the ground that causes destruction). A good chunk of the energy of an object hitting the surface will transfer the energy over. Conservation of Energy, you know?

Here’s an experiment one can try to test this out: slam your desk with your fist as hard as you can in rage while you lose while getting earraped by Russian CSGO players cannonball into a pool. A good chunk of your KE is transferred into the water and you’ll notice waves and ripples move across the water. That’s all energy travelling across the water.

This point is actually bolstering my point. What I am saying is that the event which caused the waves (the cannonball i.e. your weight and the acceleration towards the water) has to be calculated (or in this case assumed equivalent to the effects from seismic moment of an earthquake of comparable effects observed), your position is that you can set up an energy detector at the edge of the pool which is impacted by the wave of water, and then claim that the total energy of the event is what you got from said reading. I'd rather get hit by a wave from a person canon balling, than the person themselves any day of the week.

This made wore by the fact that Earthquakes must also radiate energy for hundreds to thousands of meters (in this case the Mariana Trench) through the earth's crust, so we are measuring waves far dispersed from the source. So it'd be more analogous to a pressure event happening at 3m in a pool and you taking wave readings from the surface and saying those readings are the total energy. Once again, this is why seismic moment was utilized as opposed to the richer scale.

Very similar principle here with artificially created Earthquakes via punching the ground or any strong impact to a surface (and in some cases Asteroid impacts). And that all can give values to be used for the Richter scale, which we use for Radiated Waves. Boom, simple.

Not really, in this case of an asteroid impact, the focus of the event is literally as surface level. This is like experiencing an earthquake at the source, instead of through thousands of meters of crust. Even then, there is the initial impact energy of the meteor striking the ground, and then a resultant radiated energy which is much less than the preceding event. Same thing here, big boom and then radiated energy. Gojo is the big boom, and since we saw he effects of his boom (mag 6 earthquake) we should be perfectly comfortable plopping him in as the source of our natural counterpart.

On the other hand, the Total Seismic Moments you’d have to go into making assumptions like what the composition of the fault line (which varies a lot), how long the fault line is, how much it moved, etc. And these are all assumptions that YOU NEED TO PROVE (because they vary so much and will impact the results), but ULTIMATELY CAN’T. It gets too complicated because it is. We can’t ignore these complications just because ‘it’s fiction’. One has to respect the formula’s strict variables or don’t bother.

Not really, I would have to do this if I was claiming Gojo moved plates to caused the earthquake itself. That's not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing Gojo didn't need to and still created an earthquake, thousands of meters above the surface, comparable to a SM from tectonic activity.

Very similar in nature to use having formulas from calcing explosion sizes based on shockwave values. You don't just look at the shockwaves from an explosion from thousands of meters away and use that energy as the result, you'd obviously also calculate the blast which expanded said thing. And we use this for magical explosions and energy sources all of the time. Gojo propagating radiated energy that was strong enough to shake the world at a 6+ magnitude means he is the focus and thus should be scalable to a natural SM equivalent.

And yes, utilizing the radiated energy alone is not valid, as you are not accounting for the source of radiation. So essentially you are arguing that Gojo created the radiated energy value (town level) which then radiated itself through 9000 meters, and still have the town+ level energy to cause the 6+ magnitude observed at surface level.

I shouldn't have to explain why that is silly.

 

[KingTempest]

Take the Nanami calc, the idea that he caused a 2.0 earthquake across the town because he used <<<<.01 tons of TNT, is hilariously absurd. a 375 tons bomb, however, could be responsible for slight shaking due to the fact that Nanami wasn't substantially under too much of the Earth's crust being in a subway. Seismic energy is MUCH more accurate than utilizing the radiated energy for invalid reasons.

It's absurd to you for no reason.
We did this for speed and now we gotta do this for AP.
"It's absurd to me, so no"

So Gojo is shooting island levels of energy through a trench and now it's not completely shattering huh. Smh

Why do you think we separate calculations from radiated energy and total seismic energy.
JJK isn't the first verse to do a damn earthquake calc.
You do not use total seismic, unless the tectonic plates are the cause for the earthquake.

No other reason is allowed.

 

[Dr._whiteee]

It's absurd to you for no reason.
We did this for speed and now we gotta do this for AP.
"It's absurd to me, so no"

So Gojo is shooting island levels of energy through a trench and now it's not completely shattering huh. Smh

Why do you think we separate calculations from radiated energy and total seismic energy.
JJK isn't the first verse to do a damn earthquake calc.
You do not use total seismic, unless the tectonic plates are the cause for the earthquake.

No other reason is allowed.

No, I literally just outlined why it is absurd. Respond to those points and don't strawman me.

What are you talking about? He is releasing island level energy which is making it's way up to the surface. The same way an earthquake resulting from the seimic moment of the plates would. It's really not that hard to grasp.

Your argument makes no sense. You don't use Radiated energy as the cause, because it's not a cause. It's literally radiated from the cause. So calling the earthquake, the radiated energy is going to be s subset of the total energy released by the earthquake. You are ignoring that aspect completely. I just explained in my response to migue how utilizing the radiated energy is inherently contradictory, the radiated energy cannot be it's own source.

 

[SunDaGamer]

No, I literally just outlined why it is absurd. Respond to those points and don't strawman me.

What are you talking about? He is releasing island level energy which is making it's way up to the surface. The same way an earthquake resulting from the seimic moment of the plates would. It's really not that hard to grasp.

Your argument makes no sense. You don't use Radiated energy as the cause, because it's not a cause. It's literally radiated from the cause. So calling the earthquake, the radiated energy is going to be s subset of the total energy released by the earthquake. You are ignoring that aspect completely. I just explained in my response to migue how utilizing the radiated energy is inherently contradictory, the radiated energy cannot be it's own source.

Isn't that why we have this formula for determining the energy radiated from the source (Gojo in this case) that then travels and is felt far away:

60 ≤ r < 700 km: In this case the formula is (Magnitude at distance) + 1.1644 + 0.0048*r = Richter Magnitude of Earthquake

 

[KingTempest]

No, I literally just outlined why it is absurd. Respond to those points and don't strawman me.

"And don't strawman me" conform to the wiki's standards and the real world science.

What are you talking about? He is releasing island level energy which is making it's way up to the surface. The same way an earthquake resulting from the seimic moment of the plates would. It's really not that hard to grasp.

Your argument makes no sense. You don't use Radiated energy as the cause, because it's not a cause. It's literally radiated from the cause. So calling the earthquake, the radiated energy is going to be s subset of the total energy released by the earthquake. You are ignoring that aspect completely. I just explained in my response to migue how utilizing the radiated energy is inherently contradictory, the radiated energy cannot be it's own source.

You do not use total seismic energy as the cause

Stop trying to base it as "this is the source". Gojo is the source of the energy, not the tectonic plates, so you cannot use total seismic.

What is so hard to understand.

Total Seismic Energy is shifting tectonics.

Radiated energy is the energy sent to shake shit.

Is Gojo shifting tectonic plates? No. Total Seismic Energy cannot be used.
Is Gojo sending energy out to shake a bunch of shit? Yes. Radiated energy can be used.

An earthquake is shaking the ******* earth. If you're shaking the earth via shaking tectonics, then TSE can be used.
If not, then you can't.

Nobody is ignoring any aspect. You're taking your false interpretation of what the 2 types of energies entail and you're trying to use that as fact

Isn't that why we have this formula:

That's just for magnitude at a distance

 

[Dr._whiteee]

"And don't strawman me" conform to the real world science.

You literally are ducking any conversation about the actual topic at hand but wanna pull this? Ok lol. But yeah if you can't debate in good faith we can just pick this up in the revision thread at a later date.

 

[KingTempest]

You literally are ducking any conversation about the actual topic at hand but wanna pull this? Ok lol. But yeah if you can't debate in good faith we can just pick this up in the revision thread at a later date.

Because you're trying to argue something that we don't accept and you want me to entertain it

I sent the site's standards on it and you said no.

We're not debating shit. I'm explaining the standards and you're shooting back your incorrect interpretations on it

 

[Dr._whiteee]

Because you're trying to argue something that we don't accept and you want me to entertain it

I sent the site's standards on it and you said no.

We're not debating shit. I'm explaining the standards and you're shooting back your incorrect interpretations on it

We were discussing the logic behind the standard. You already know I have knowledge of the site standard which is why I suggested it and the Nanami calc be invalidated and why my thread is up in the calc section. I was then in a separate conversation to discuss said topic after Migue incorrectly surmised my stance, and you decided to hop back in. You'd also know, if you actually read my posts, that I am clearly knowledgeable the earthquake was not resultant of tectonic plates smashing together and explicitly explained why my stance on why that doesn't matter.

If you don't want to continue discussing it here cool, but don't make shit up and misrepresent my stance in the process.

 

[KingTempest]

We were discussing the logic behind the standard. You already know I have knowledge of the site standard which is why I suggested it and the Nanami calc be invalidated and why my thread is up in the calc section. I was then in a separate conversation to discuss said topic after Migue incorrectly surmised my stance, and you decided to hop back in. You'd also know, if you actually read my posts, that I am clearly knowledgeable the earthquake was not resultant of tectonic plates smashing together and explicitly explained why my stance on why that doesn't matter.

If you don't want to continue discussing it here cool, but don't make shit up and misrepresent my stance in the process.

what the fu-

look.

your stance is that you don't need to move tectonics in order to use total seismic energy

the wiki says you do

that's it

idk where all these other points are coming from.

"he was deep in a trench so it should work, no way he did this with town level energy" i don't care.

the whole thing is that you can't use total seismic if you don't utilize the tectonic plates.
the wiki talking about "natural earthquakes" is referencing naturally formed earthquakes
everything else isn't a natural formed one

i've done at least 10 earthquake calculations for this wiki and i've had to hear that each time from different cgms including the earthquake experts and get threads to make sure total seismic can be used

but you're trying to tell me that your random interpretation on what "an earthquake" counts as means that total seismic can be used, even when the currently used site wide earthquake calc for shaking the planet doesn't use total seismic

 

[Testarossa002]

So you called a bunch of guys who don't know anything about earthquakes is what I'm hearing, instead of the earthquake specialists like Migue, DT, or others, and they told you "the method used to measure tectonic movement is used for when tectonic movement isn't applicable".

Why are you not even a CGM

 

[Arkenis]

If I may ask, who were the cgms’ that said using the tectonic plate thing was fine in Gojo and Nanami calc?

 

[KingTempest]

What are you talking about? He is releasing island level energy which is making it's way up to the surface. The same way an earthquake resulting from the seimic moment of the plates would. It's really not that hard to grasp.

The energy of "island level" is not the energy that he shoots up
That's the energy of tectonic plates moving to create a magnitude 4.5 earthquake

If he's not moving tectonic plates to cause a magnitude 4.5 earthquake, then he doesn't scale to it

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Shouldn’t anyone Vol 0 Yuta and Rika be just flat out town level? One of the higher ups believes Rika capable of destroying an entire town.

 

[Arkenis]

Shouldn’t anyone Vol 0 Yuta and Rika be just flat out town level? One of the higher ups believes Rika capable of destroying an entire town.

That is overtime not outright. and depending on how Rika would have done it can be much higher than just baseline town level.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

That is overtime not outright. and depending on how Rika would have done it can be much higher than just baseline town level.

Considering Rika is ranging between Subsonic-MHS, “overtime” to destroy an entire town isn’t exactly much of a defeater. Also, this was just a Base Rika, all she ever did was punch and smash things.

 

[Arkenis]

Considering Rika is ranging between Subsonic-MHS, “overtime” to destroy an entire town isn’t exactly much of a defeater. Also, this was just a Base Rika, all she ever did was punch and smash things.

What? Rika's combat speed is that not her travel speed so it matters little here. And so what if its base Rika, my point is that the statement isn't about instantly destroying a town, its about her rampaging in the town.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

What? Rika's combat speed is that not her travel speed so it matters little here.

Doesn’t really matter, in my opinion, considering Gojo finds the act significant enough for him to risk his life to stop it.

 

[Arkenis]

Doesn’t really matter, in my opinion, considering Gojo finds the act significant enough for him to risk his life to stop it.

A pretty typical statement when dealing with a threat in society, you're looking into it too much. Actually try contextualizing what's going on; a town could've been destroyed, his students were in danger, so of course he'd say he's gonna risk his life to stop Rika, it does not mean Rika is on his level at all.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

A pretty typical statement when dealing with a threat in society, you're looking into it too much. Actually try contextualizing what's going on; a town could've been destroyed, his students were in danger, so of course he'd say he's gonna risk his life to stop Rika, it does not mean Rika is on his level at all.

I’m not the one who needs contextualization, considering within that exact same chapter, Gojo makes a statement regarding his death in fighting Rika. This is directly after he calls Rika near impossible to exorcise.

 

[Arkenis]

Gojo makes a statement regarding his death in fighting Rika.

He didn't say he'd died. That's about the Higher ups getting rid of them. Do you genuinely think Rika could kill Gojo when her power couldn't even kill Getou?

after he calls Rika near impossible to exorcise.

He's speaking in a general sense not about himself specifically. Also exorcising a curse is a different task compared to scaling to a curse in ap. Read the manga.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

He didn't say he'd died. That's about the Higher ups getting rid of them. Do you genuinely think Rika could kill Gojo when her power couldn't even kill Getou?

I never said he did, I said regarding his death. The question you’re posing me is infinitely more absurd than the one I’m posing to you, because tell me how the higher-ups could dispose of Gojo. Using Rika as a rebuttal doesn’t work, considering Geto himself mentions Okkotsu didn’t know how to use Rika properly, hinged a 99% success rate on Rika alone, and outright admits Rika is a power that could change the world, and that all of his curses are inferior to her.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

He's speaking in a general sense not about himself specifically. Also exorcising a curse is a different task compared to scaling to a curse in ap. Read the manga.

Prove that assumption. Exorcising a curse requires you to use up its cursed energy, you’re just flat out wrong. If you spent less time making condescending side comments and doing the thing you accuse other people of, your points would have merit.

 

[SunDaGamer]

because tell me how the higher-ups could dispose of Gojo

This is just a case where Gege hadn't established everything in the series yet at the time of Volume 0, Gojo is never called the strongest and things from the power system like Domain Expansions are absent.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

This is just a case where Gege hadn't established everything in the series yet at the time of Volume 0, Gojo is never called the strongest and things from the power system like Domain Expansions are absent.

It doesn’t really matter because it’s nothing you can definitively prove. Especially since retroactively, with the Hidden Inventory arc, being solely “the strongest” wasn’t enough anymore.

 

[Arkenis]

Prove that assumption. Exorcising a curse requires you to use up its cursed energy, you’re just flat out wrong. If you spent less time making condescending side comments and doing the thing you accuse other people of, your points would have merit.

The statement is phrased in a general sense. It's that simple. How am I wrong? Naobito and Nanami couldn't exorcise Dagon yet Naobito can damage him, and the pic u posted is about Yuji being unable to exorcise a curse is about him not having curse energy, not about power, which is what im talking about.

 

[Migue79]

If I may ask, who were the cgms’ that said using the tectonic plate thing was fine in Gojo and Nanami calc?

Wait, there were calcs of these feats using TSM approved by other CGMs? Or…?

 

[KingTempest]

Wait, there were calcs of these feats using TSM approved by other CGMs?

Yee

 

[Migue79]

… Link me the calc blogs.