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Jinbe should be 6-A/5-C

Overlord775

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He straight up blocked Akeinu's attack, the same one that turned Ace into a donut. He also did the same against Big mom's Cognac and then proceeded to yeet her off the Thousand Sunny.

His bounty is even listed as higher than Sanji and only 11 millions off Zoro like the idea is that he's clearly at that level (i know bounties are funky in Once Piece, but the Straw hat ones compared to each other have have always basically been linear power except for the outliers of Chopper and BoS Niko)

HOW does not scale to 6-A possibly 5-C?
 
Overlord775 said:
He straight up blocked Akeinu's attack, the same one that turned Ace into a donut. He also did the same against Big mom's Cognac and then proceeded to yeet her off the Thousand Sunny.

His bounty is even listed as higher than Sanji and only 11 millions off Zoro like the idea is that he's clearly at that level (i know bounties are funky in Once Piece, but the Straw hat ones compared to each other have have always basically been linear power except for the outliers of Chopper and BoS Niko)

HOW does not scale to 6-A possibly 5-C?
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this would scale only with buso Haki tho... Something a Crt had been made before but didn't get much attention

I definitely agree with jinbe's haki scaling to 6-A possibly 5-C
 
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Following.
 
I disagree with scaling Jinbe to the 6-A value based on his showings against Akainu and Big Mom.

Jinbe only "blocked" an attack that was aiming for an Ace that already had a hole through his body (he died within the same chapter). There's no way for us to know that Akainu's final attack had the same amount of power that a normal strike would. We don't scale Wholecake Island Luffy and Sanji to Big Mom for these same reasons (aiming for Reiju). Even though Jinbe "blocked it," we still see that he took a lot of damage from the attack with Akainu believing that a more standard punch could take him out. We might as well scale Ivankov to Akainu as well then. This is more of an endurance feat than anything considering both Jinbe and Akainu noted that they are nowhere near the same strength with Jinbe even saying that he may lose parts of his body. When faced against a more standard attack from Akainu, Jinbe was completely helpless, being near-impaled through the torso, which supports the notion that the first attack that Jinbe was hit with wasn't thrown with Akainu's normal output.

I don't know how many times this needs to be addressed, but Jinbe stopping Cognac is not viable for scaling Jinbe to the 6-A value. It was reiterated several times that Big Mom has never been this weakened in the past 50 years (as long Perospero could remember). She was emaciated. Literally so skinny to the point to where we could see the outline of her bones. The idea that Big Mom was anywhere near her normal strength is baffling to me. What makes it worse is that in the panel after Big Mom literally states and shows that in a clash of strength she's far superior, cutting through Jinbe's Haki defense and sending him flying. This is worse than trying to scale Zoro fully to Kaidou and Big Mom's Hakai. The most this could give is scaling Jinbe above Perospero for surprising him. Since this version of Jinbe currently scales to ~37 Gigatons while Perospero scales to ~150 Gigatons, this could still probably be an upgrade, just not to 6-A.

This should go without saying, but pushing someone backwards doesn't grant any type of scaling. Trying to do so when the person in question is so hungry that they can barely stand or breathe properly and is a devil fruit user doused in water (adding onto her being weakened + slippery) is even worse.

There is no proof that the Straw Hats' bounties are good representations of their respective strength. That claim is proven wrong by the simple fact that Sanji and Zoro both have infinitely better feats than Jinbe.

All the things in this thread have already been addressed several times.

No, Jinbe will not scale to 6-A with his normal ratings as of right now.
No, Jinbe will not scale to 6-A with his Haki as of right now.
 
Kachon123 said:
Jinbe only "blocked" an attack that was aiming for an Ace that already had a hole through his body (he died within the same chapter). There's no way for us to know that Akainu's final attack had the same amount of power that a normal strike would.
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he's attacking ace to finish him off just incase... Someone whos 6-A.
Kachon123 said:
We don't scale Wholecake Island Luffy and Sanji to Big Mom for these same reasons (aiming for Reiju).
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Reiju is not 6-A, not comparable
Kachon123 said:
Even though Jinbe "blocked it," we still see that he took a lot of damage from the attack with Akainu believing that a more standard punch could take him out.
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Still downscales... Especially for being able to catch his punch with haki
Kachon123 said:
We might as well scale Ivankov to Akainu as well then.
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They are visibly beaten, jinbe is not... Not comparable
Kachon123 said:
This is more of an endurance feat than anything considering both Jinbe and Akainu noted that they are nowhere near the same strength with Jinbe even saying that he may lose parts of his body.
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Downscales and which is why it's solely for his haki as spamming it against someone like akainu will eventually not work and be strong enough, and akainu never said he's no way near the same strength... Just that he was superior to jinbe
Kachon123 said:
When faced against a more standard attack from Akainu, Jinbe was completely helpless, being near-impaled through the torso, which supports the notion that the first attack that Jinbe was hit with wasn't thrown with Akainu's normal output.
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Even with this feat taking the full attack from behind unable to fully block it and still resisting would make him scale.

Something ace wasn't able to do
 
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Kachon123 said:
I disagree with scaling Jinbe to the 6-A value based on his showings against Akainu and Big Mom.

Jinbe only "blocked" an attack that was aiming for an Ace that already had a hole through his body (he died within the same chapter). There's no way for us to know that Akainu's final attack had the same amount of power that a normal strike would.
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Its 1. litterally the same attack. 2 its Akeinu, he physically doesn't understand concept of holding back. He only has 1 output, and that output is murder.

Kachon123 said:
We don't scale Wholecake Island Luffy and Sanji to Big Mom for these same reasons (aiming for Reiju). Even though Jinbe "blocked it," we still see that he took a lot of damage from the attack with Akainu believing that a more standard punch could take him out. We might as well scale Ivankov to Akainu as well then. This is more of an endurance feat than anything considering both Jinbe and Akainu noted that they are nowhere near the same strength with Jinbe even saying that he may lose parts of his body. When faced against a more standard attack from Akainu, Jinbe was completely helpless, being near-impaled through the torso, which supports the notion that the first attack that Jinbe was hit with wasn't thrown with Akainu's normal output.
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Ace >>> Reiju, blocking an attack meant for the latter is a much worse feat. Also noted by the fact that Luffy and Sanji only really blocked Zeus, instead of Jinbe blocking Prometeus, Napoleon and Big Mom's own physical strenght.

Nothing in that scan implies that a standard punch would instantly take him out, in fact as you yourself shown, a proper punch DIDN'T put him out of comission. That's much different than Ivankov, who is litterlly show as outcold in the scan, so of course he doesn't scale..

Also, guess what, getting cleanly hit by an attack will cause more damage than blocking it, that's basic logic (also again the same attack impaled Ace)

Kachon123 said:
I don't know how many times this needs to be addressed, but Jinbe stopping Cognac is not viable for scaling Jinbe to the 6-A value. It was reiterated several times that Big Mom has never been this weakened in the past 50 years (as long Perospero could remember). She was emaciated. Literally so skinny to the point to where we could see the outline of her bones. The idea that Big Mom was anywhere near her normal strength is baffling to me. What makes it worse is that in the panel after Big Mom literally states and shows that in a clash of strength she's far superior, cutting through Jinbe's Haki defense and sending him flying. This is worse than trying to scale Zoro fully to Kaidou and Big Mom's Hakai. The most this could give is scaling Jinbe above Perospero for surprising him. Since this version of Jinbe currently scales to ~37 Gigatons while Perospero scales to ~150 Gigatons, this could still probably be an upgrade, just not to 6-A.This should go without saying, but pushing someone backwards doesn't grant any type of scaling. Trying to do so when the person in question is so hungry that they can barely stand or breathe properly and is a devil fruit user doused in water (adding onto her being weakened + slippery) is even worse.
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A dying yonko is still 6-A/5-C, so it doesn't matter if he doesn't scale to her full strenght, that's still 6-A/5-C.

The fact that there was a clash of strenght at all means he is at that level, as otherwise he'd just been crushed instantly.

Also, Zoro was left incapacitated from the hakai, meanwhile Jinge was perfectly able to keep on going, that's called tanking the attack, which is ground for scaling.

Kachon123 said:
There is no proof that the Straw Hats' bounties are good representations of their respective strength. That claim is proven wrong by the simple fact that Sanji and Zoro both have infinitely better feats than Jinbe.
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Except Luffy, Zoro and Sanji as the power three of the crew have always had a bounty far higher than any other members, so Jimbe being above Sanji is a clear statement of his standing in the Straw Hats.
 
Kachon123 said:
So Jinbe you're saying that Jinbe is only 6-A with Koka and normal Buso he's not?
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I guess so

But you’re still assuming he used haki against Luffy even tho was only using fishman karate techniques the whole interaction
 
Kachon123 said:
So then what about Jinbe "blocking" Akainu's attack? He didn't use Koka then.
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Of course you would say that… then he can also downscale from big mom, big mom clearly used her own strength against him and wasn’t beaten still.

He also definitely would’ve used koka, insanely unreasonable to say he didn’t when he’s fighting some stronger than him

Or at least an insane amount of haki
Kachon123 said:
He did not use Fishman Karate on that second attack.
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There’s isn’t more evidence he didn’t use fishman karate
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
then he can also downscale from big mom, big mom clearly used her own strength against him and was beaten still.
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A weakened and emaciated Big Mom who could barely even hold up her own weight?
MonkeyOfLife said:
There’s isn’t more evidence he didn’t use fishman karate
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The fact that he didn't say "Fishman Karate" like he does almost every single time before he uses a Fishman Karate technique, or the fact that we don't see any shockwaves.
 
Kachon123 said:
The fact that he didn't say "Fishman Karate" like he does almost every single time before he uses a Fishman Karate technique,
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he does before and he doesn't always have to say it...

It's basically stated/implied all of his blows utilities Fishman karate
ジンベエは "魚人空手〟の達人。 放たれ る一撃は、 あらゆる生命の体内に存在する 水分に作用。 大ダメージを与えるのだっ!!
Jinbe is a master of "fishman karate. Each blow he delivers acts on the moisture in the body of any living creature, inflicting massive damage!
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Kachon123 said:
or the fact that we don't see any shockwaves.
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you just showed he doesn't have to do visable shockwaves in the air to do Fishman karate
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That proves he could use fisman karate against luffy in that instance.
 
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MonkeyOfLife said:
he does before and he doesn't always have to say it...

It's basically stated all of his blows utilities Fishman karate


you just showed he doesn't have to do visable shockwaves in the air to do Fishman karate
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Proves he was using fisman karate against luffy.
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Except the issue is that Jinbe's punch was able to harm Luffy's rubber skin, not just attack the moisture inside of Luffy's body like the first attack did. If Jinbe's attack was just Fishman Karate and didn't use any Haki at all, Luffy's skin would not have been bruised.
 
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No proof of Jinbe using koka for blocking a casual finishing punch targeting a character who was already dead. And if Jinbe's Koka was actually capable of stopping a serious blow from Akainu, he wouldn't have been pierced by the same punch, almost dying, moments after.
 
Ryuga21 said:
No proof of Jinbe using koka for blocking a casual finishing punch targeting a character who was already dead. And if Jinbe's Koka was actually capable of stopping a serious blow from Akainu, he wouldn't have been pierced by the same punch, almost dying, moments after.
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Bro thinks he has to be shanks to scale to him, akainu himself acknowledging his resistance against his punch is still enough for his haki to scale

Jinbe doesn't need proof of using hardening or not, we all know jinbe ain't going to use less potent Haki against some like akainu

And there's no anti feats for it as well, literally ignoring blatant feats for no reason

Racists fr 😴
 
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