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Jinbe Ut to H 6-A
- Thread starter KitagawaMarin
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DaMonkeMan
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Agreed.
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Who's-Who might've hurt Drake here.https://cdn.****************.com/file/opctcb/onepiece/onepiecechapters_990_14.jpg
Hell Drake even thought he might've died there(granted might've only been because of Queen).
Hell Drake even thought he might've died there(granted might've only been because of Queen).
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Who's Who didn't have a weapon out, and even if he did, he ambushed Drake and caught him off-guard
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Yeah figured it wasn't good enough.
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The thing about Drake is, as pointed out in an earlier CRT on him and Buso Zoro, not only was Drake no longer one of the Tobiroppo when Jack made that statement, but he has actual feats contradicting the claim of him only being Tobiroppo-lvl as well.
Drake in Base fought Nitoryu Base Zoro (who fought the likes of Denjiro and a slightly-weakened Killer), blocked an attack from a Yamato who thought he was an enemy (albeit he was still sent backwards by the attack), and fought Apoo off-screen and was confident he could kill Apoo in his base.
Zoan/Hybrid Drake downscales in AP from the durability of Guernica, as he made Guernica bleed twice (once during their offscreen fight and again when he stabbed Guernica from behind), and Guernica tanked the Yamato-level Kazenbo without much damage, and recovered from Apoo's Boom better than Post-Udon Base Luffy did. Zoan Drake also matched Apoo's AP, which matched a semi-serious Buso Zoro, and he hurt Apoo, whose durability downscales from taking a Punk Gibson from a pissed off Kid.
Who's Who doesn't have any feats on that level. Being confident enough to take on Jack isn't enough since Who's-Who doesn't have any real feats to support him being above Tobiroppo level.
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You know what. Why aren't the Tobi Roppo High 6-A? Because of one character which was immediately their after disputed? Are we really claiming that the Tobi-Roppo have to be over 1000x times weaker than the Scabbards because of one statement? Even when it makes more sense for them to be higher? (I.e buso Luffy being overpowered by Ulti, Page One getting up after an Elephant Gun, Ulti not instantly dying by an attack from a serious emperor, buso Luffy himself blocked an attack from Kaidou)?
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Drake has actual feats that contradict the statement along with the fact that he was no longer a Tobiroppo when Jack said that.
None of the others have any feats on that level, and confidence alone isn't enough for them to scale.
Base Luffy, and he wasn't using dura-neg buso against Ulti
So? Luffy's G3 didn't have High 6-A AP at the time, he only hurt Kaido with Red Roc due to dura neg Buso (aka Ryou)
That still effortlessly made a massive hole in her body, her getting back up was stamina
Durability only, just like Jinbei's Buso
DaMonkeMan
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1st was to hype up the moment when Yamato one shot Ulti.
2nd is because it's one piece and Jinbe got a hole in his torso by Akainu but didn't die like Ace.
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Same buso that Ulti overpowered lol.
DaMonkeMan
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Read the chapter foolProof?
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Did lmao. That's really subjective.
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Got some 6-A Tobi-Roppo stuff.
https://cdn.****************.com/file/opctcb/onepiece/onepiecechapters_996_04.jpg
Blasts from the Headliners' bazookas do damage to Yamato. Mere Headliner Apoo blocks attacks from Zoro and Drake.
https://cdn.****************.com/file/opctcb/onepiece/onepiecechapters_995_09.jpg
Luffy is holding his head and is clearly bruised from Ulti's headbutt.
https://cdn.****************.com/file/opctcb/onepiece/onepiecechapters_983_12.jpg
Luffy is then about to use Gear 4th.https://cdn.****************.com/file/opctcb/onepiece/onepiecechapters_983_15.jpg
The Same Gear 4th Luffy tanks a Bolo Breath.
https://cdn.****************.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/1002_Page_14-15v2.png
Kidd's statement in the 2nd panel suggests superior power to himself(at least the attacks he used to that point).
https://cdn.****************.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/1003%20Page%206%20TS%2BLvl.png
One of said attacks makes Kaidou scream in pain.
https://cdn.****************.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/1002%20Page%206-7.png
Yamato complements Luffy's strength.
https://cdn.****************.com/file/opctcb/onepiece/onepiecechapters_984_14.jpg
https://cdn.****************.com/file/opctcb/onepiece/onepiecechapters_996_04.jpg
Blasts from the Headliners' bazookas do damage to Yamato. Mere Headliner Apoo blocks attacks from Zoro and Drake.
https://cdn.****************.com/file/opctcb/onepiece/onepiecechapters_995_09.jpg
Luffy is holding his head and is clearly bruised from Ulti's headbutt.
https://cdn.****************.com/file/opctcb/onepiece/onepiecechapters_983_12.jpg
Luffy is then about to use Gear 4th.https://cdn.****************.com/file/opctcb/onepiece/onepiecechapters_983_15.jpg
The Same Gear 4th Luffy tanks a Bolo Breath.
https://cdn.****************.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/1002_Page_14-15v2.png
Kidd's statement in the 2nd panel suggests superior power to himself(at least the attacks he used to that point).
https://cdn.****************.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/1003%20Page%206%20TS%2BLvl.png
One of said attacks makes Kaidou scream in pain.
https://cdn.****************.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/1002%20Page%206-7.png
Yamato complements Luffy's strength.
https://cdn.****************.com/file/opctcb/onepiece/onepiecechapters_984_14.jpg
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These don't seem to actually damage Yamato, since she's totally fine afterwards.
Even if they did hurt Yamato, it'd be a gigantic outlier.
Apoo's normal AP already scales to Drake/casual Buso Zoro, and none of the Beast Pirates scale to Apoo's normal AP besides Queen and King, who already have scaling above that.
Outlier at best. And he quickly recovered from this, not to mention he didn't seem that damaged by this at all.
Nothing about that shows that Ulti scales to Gear 4, just that she scales above Gear 3 since Luffy felt that Gear 4 would be needed to take her out.
So?
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https://cdn.****************.com/file/opctcb/onepiece/onepiecechapters_996_05.jpg
Kazenbo is High 6-A because of hurting Yamato, but he did far less.
https://cdn.****************.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/op_1040_fallingondeafears_007.png
As for the outlier part, not necessarily.https://cdn.****************.com/file/opctcb/onepiece/onepiecechapters_980_14.jpg
Zoro, a 6-A character states that their skill runs deep.
And the team of Kidd and Killer both struggle with dealing with the fodder.
Why is the Headliner over 1000x stronger than the Tobi-Roppo, whom are called the "Strongest Headliners"https://cdn.****************.com/file/opctcb/onepiece/onepiecechapters_929_14.jpg
He was clearly bruised. That's enough for the same tier in my opinion.
Scales above Gear 3rd when the same Gear 3rd that should be around the same strength as Katakuri. The Katakuri who is called the "Greatest Masterpiece of the Charlotte Family"https://cdn.****************.com/file/opctcb/onepiece/onepiecechapters_882_03.jpg
Firmly scaling him above Perospero who was able to overpower Base Nekomamushi, and was implied to be able to harm Marco.https://cdn.****************.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/opc_1026_010.pnghttps://cdn.****************.com/file/opctcb/onepiece/onepiecechapters_995_04.jpg
The same base Nekomamushi was able to flip Jack.https://cdn.****************.com/file/opctcb/onepiece/onepiecechapters_809_16.jpg
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Does that have anything to do with jinbe?
If it's not, don't talk about that on this thread
If it's not, don't talk about that on this thread
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It does. If Who's Who is High 6-A then so is Jinbe.
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Mmm
I see but it's not fully related to the op/starter thread but sure?
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I don't see a single scan for Who's-Who being High 6-A there.
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Proof of > than Apoo. Read the context.
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Absolutely nothing puts WW above Apoo at all.
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https://cdn.****************.com/file/opctcb/onepiece/onepiecechapters_929_14.jpg
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This was stated all well before Apoo was revealed to be a member of the Beast Pirates, and even then he's not stated in the official rankings.
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Yeah, Apoo is a fresh recruit.
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Still puts them above Hawkins. And the other evidence I've presented should suffice.
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BASE Hawkins, not his Devil Fruit.
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1. No evidence that the Tobiroppo scaled above Base Hawkins, or that the Beast Pirates knew about Hawkins.
2. Considering his transformation matched Killer off-screen (and was further confirmed by his Vivre Card to be equal to Killer), this would make zero sense in-story and would break scaling hard, especially since Killer scales >= the Scabbards.
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1. There's no way to know how strong he is if they didn't test him
2. They probably deduced his strength off of his fight with Kaido, and I see no reason why we should assume Hawkins didn't use Goma no So against Kaido. It would make no sense considering his objective was to defeat him.
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Didn't he foresee his defeat and surrender to Kaido while Kid and Killer kept fighting?
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Oh yeah you're right. Either way, my first point still stands.
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What about the Perospero stuff, or the fact that no one has debunked my rebuttal of the fodder feats?
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How would that break scaling exactly?
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Perospero was matched by 2 Sulong Minks.
Jack wiped out an army of Sulong Minks who were each >= Sulong Carrot.
Also, Perospero is below Katakuri, who got hurt by Oven.
As for the fodder feats, Yamato didn't scream in pain like she did when she fought Kazenbo.
Also, she wasn't fully on guard when the fodder attacked her like she was against Kazenbo.
Because having the Tobiroppo scale above Killer (who scales above the Scabbards) makes absolutely zero sense!
