J.M. DeMatteis (Marvel Cosmology Split)

[Antvasima]

If you write a summary post of the discussion here so far, I can send a notification to knowledgeable staff members again.

You can send the OP portion of “Why split the Cosmology” I think I highlighted a lot there.

@Eficiente @Qawsedf234 @Firestorm808 @Deagonx @Elizio33 @Catzlaflame @ByAsura @Emirp sumitpo @IdiosyncraticLawyer @Maverick_Zero_X @LordTracer @Alonik @ProfectusInfinity @M3X_2.0 @Dark-Carioca @PrinceofPein

Your help would be appreciated here.

 

[ObberGobb]

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[ObberGobb]

Is this thread near completion? Or is it concluded already?

 

[Antvasima]

I do not remember well, but it seems like it needs more staff input.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

I do not remember well, but it seems like it needs more staff input.

Specifically just Ultima. There are three staff approval already.

 

[Antvasima]

Is this thread near completion? Or is it concluded already?

I do not remember well, but it seems like it needs more staff input.

Specifically just Ultima. There are three staff approval already.

@Ultima_Reality

We seem to need your help here.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

@Ultima_Reality

We seem to need your help here.

I'll go over the main points later today. Gonna tackle some other threads first.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. No problem, and thank you very much for helping out.

 

[AndrewBennet]

Is yggdrasill downgrade thread still in progress ?

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

Is yggdrasill downgrade thread still in progress ?

Irrelevant but yes.

 

[ObberGobb]

Is yggdrasill downgrade thread still in progress ?

It is waiting on this thread to conclude

 

[Eseseso]

I'll go over the main points later today. Gonna tackle some other threads first.

Famous last words

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

Famous last words

What he means is, he’ll be back after this thread has 69 pages and send a reminder he’ll respond and then proceeds to not answer for another 10 years.

 

[Karllkraft]

What he means is, he’ll be back after this thread has 69 pages and send a reminder he’ll respond and then proceeds to not answer for another 10 years.

"400 million years later"

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Good news, I'm almost completely sure Ultima will view DeMatteis' The Divine Creator as 0. It directly is stated to be Matteis' and Everyone else's depiction of God. Oblivion may be treated as High 1-A+ (or not because there is implications that characters are as strong or stronger than him, like the Men of Lineage) . The issue is everyone else and the weird scaling/feats they have.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

Good news, I'm almost completely sure Ultima will view DeMatteis' The Divine Creator as 0. It directly is stated to be Matteis' and Everyone else's depiction of God. Oblivion may be treated as High 1-A+ (or not because there is implications that characters are as strong or stronger than him, like the Men of Lineage) . The issue is everyone else and the weird scaling/feats they have.

Why is the Men of Lineage stronger, if I may ask? As for the scaling and feats, I can handle that no problem.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

When asked if Oblivion was outside of the Dream, DeMatteis stated that no being was outside of the Creator's Dream. The Men of Lineage (more specifically Ted Salis) have control over the entire Dream and without it all of them would fall into nothingness. In the unreleased sequels to the Strange Tales variants (Strange Tales III and IV), marvunapp confirmed (which they got their information about the sequels from DeMatteis himself) there was nothing but Ted Salis and company remaining after the Dream ended, and only because Ted was trying to maintain the Dream, and when he failed to do so temporarily, no one else existed other than him after the Dream ended.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

When asked if Oblivion was outside of the Dream, DeMatteis stated that no being was outside of the Creator's Dream. The Men of Lineage (more specifically Ted Salis) have control over the entire Dream and without it all of them would fall into nothingness. In the unreleased sequels to the Strange Tales variants (Strange Tales III and IV), marvunapp confirmed (which they got their information about the sequels from DeMatteis himself) there was nothing but Ted Salis and company remaining after the Dream ended, and only because Ted was trying to maintain the Dream, and when he failed to do so temporarily, no one else existed other than him after the Dream ended.

I think those parts are separated, if anything. Given Oblivion treatment is meant to be non-being itself, that’s not something that is created nor easy to destroy(if at all). If Oblivion is similar to the Sea of Brahma then the case becomes clear, even God didn’t create his own “unconscious.” We can use Seekers logic as well as Maya is the Dream itself, yet she’s suppressed and preceded by nothing, to which in Marvel, Oblivion is that same concept(excluding God being the primal ocean of nothing). I think the “Dream” being mentioned is more so can something exist outside of God, which is impossible, not necessarily what the Dream entails as something more than what Oblivion is. Since God being unconscious(Oblivion) is the reason for the Dream in the first place.

 

[Antvasima]

To be fair, Ultima is currently evaluating quite a lot of high tier revision threads and is also busy with his schoolwork.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

To be fair, Ultima is currently evaluating quite a lot of high tier revision threads and is also busy with his schoolwork.

Yeah, we don’t really discount that. We’re just joking there. We can wait for his evaluation.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. That is good then. Let's show some gratitude for that Ultima is helping out at all. This is unpaid volunteer work after all.

 

[BLS]

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