It is time (Xeno Goku Vs. Rebirth Superman)

[TheCrimsonEbonyCrawlingChaos]

I heard that would all still be baseline along with a lot of verses.

 

[Stefano4444]

That's impressive, although Xeno Goku does scale quite above baseline 2-A too.

SSj4 Xeno Goku > SSj3 Xeno Goku >>>>>>> Gravy (Goku one shot him) > Makyouka Demigra > Demon God Demigra > Base Demigra = 2-A.

SSj4 Xeno Goku also evenly fought Broly Dark, who could also one shot Demon God Towa, who could match both SSjB Beat and Base Xeno Goku, and forced Xeno Vegeta and Xeno Future Trunks to fuse into Vegeks to combat her.

Also, in Cumber's profile it is also stated that Base Xeno Goku is already comparable to Base Demigra, meaning if we apply the SSj multiplier Goku is going to be far above baseline 2-A with just his SSj Form.

 

[DeathstroketheHedgehog]

I am not too surprised with that scaling chain at all. I mean, it is Dragon Ball we are talking about, they're notorious for insane powerscaling jumps. Actually, I'm kind of disappointed because I expected the scaling chain to be a lot bigger.

Just a reminder that what I stated was a massive lowball.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Where did you get that puny scaling chain? I'll show you a real one!

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

XV scaling : Demigra, the baseline for DBXV... Is much weaker than SSB Goku (Pre-Resurrection of F Saga) , Mira is weaker than SSB Goku (Before the Universe 6 Tournament) .

Similar scaling from the Super series for the Cast for DBS... So as of during ToP , SSJ1 (Tournament of Power) Goku would still be at least millions of times into the 2-B tier . The scaling is good... Except for Post-Tokipedia (Which happens before Broly Movie but after Tournament of Power)

Demon God Dabura >> God of Destruction Beerus & Champa (Considered them to be mere child's play in comparison, even after witnessing them going all-out) >= Future Warrior (Pre-MUI Goku, During Tokipedia Arc, Beerus calls FW2 his equal) . Even SSJ1 to SSJ2 Gohan, YAMCHA , HERCULE , Videl , and all the Trainers are at bare minimum stronger than FW1 .

Goku (Tokipedia Arc) - Goku's base surpassed Future Warrior to such a degree he was literally on the floor, downed. He needed a amp to win by Fu , and then forced Goku to use SSB , then MUI, and managed to slightly win against him.

Future Warrior then fought a Massively Amped Fu, later on . Fu oneshotted Demon God Dabura while out of energy, and is stronger than the MUI Goku from Tokipedia who should be leagues above the MUI from the ToP since he was forced to reunlock it. Then Fu got massively stronger via several other amps.

SSJ1 Kefla (Post-Tokipedia) defeated Fu without much trouble, saying " he was a warm-up " . Future Warrior fought her and beat her ,

Then the Broly Arc characters. Broly's Ikari State (Due to being Post-Tokipedia) is far stronger than SSJ2 Kefla (Post-Tokipedia) SSJ and LSSJ got a lot stronger since then, to the point he now, post-amping, has the power to even overwhelm SSB Gogeta (Post-Tokipedia) . Future Warrior beat that LSSJ

Then... FW2 beat Gogeta, Vegito ,Kefla, and Broly simultaneously while heavily handicapping themselves.

Post-Tokipedia Future Warrior (XV2) is at the very least comparable to (Post-Tokipedia) SSB Gogeta and SSB Vegito , both who represent a Post-Tokipedia fusion of Goku and Vegeta [Remember Base Goku is > Future Warrior (Tokipedia) by a lot, to the point he was borderline knocked out while Goku was completely fine and had no scratch on him] , fighting together, while holding back heavily against them. SSJ1 Kefla points this out when she fought 4 on 1 against the Future Warrior (the other being DBS Full Powered Super Saiyan Broly) , who keep in mind defeated a Amped Fu, who even when normal was stronger than Tokipedia MUI Goku and oneshotted Demon God Dabura while running out of energy.

So really it's Post-Tokipedia Future Warrior (Xenoverse 2; Fought SSB Vegito, Gogeta, FP Super Saiyan Broly , and SSJ1 Kefla together simultaneously and beat them all, even when the all broke their limits in the second half of the fight , all while heavily handicapped) >> SSB Vegito and Gogeta (Post-Tokipedia; Stupdenously stronger than FP SS Broly) >>> FP Super Saiyan Broly (Post-Tokipedia; Broly Arc happened after Tokipedia BTW, so just imagine how strong Broly is....) >>> SSJ Broly >>> Ikari Broly (by scaling is at least comparable to Post-Kefla SSJ2 Kefla)>>> SSJ1 Kefla (Post-Tokipedia) >> Massive Amped Fu >> Demon God Dabura >> Future Warrior (Post-Amp;Tokipedia) >= MUI Goku (Tokipedia) >>>>> Enraged MUI Goku (Tournament of Power) >> Limit Breaker Jiren >= MUI Goku (Tournament of Power) > Base Goku (Tokipedia) >>> Full Powered Jiren >= UIO 3rd Goku >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (and milions of overs later) SSB Goku (U6 saga) >>> Limiters Off Mira >> FW (Post-XV1) >>> Demigra (Pre-RoF;Post-BoG).

 

[DeathstroketheHedgehog]

Yeah that looked like what I was expecting the chain to be. How many times above baseline would you safely say it is?

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

I'm sorry I can't count that high.

 

[Everything12]

Well, at best it's like 12 x Baseline infinite... Then the rest doesn't matter because no matter how big the scaling chain it's not reaching 13 x Infinite Multiverse, never mind reaching Infinite x Infinite Multiverse

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

18 at best actually.

 

[Everything12]

Point still stands.

 

[JackJoyce]

Ignoring all infinities from either side, the whole DC Multiverse to the Dark Multiverse is still a droplet of water in a sea.

That's because DC multiverse only has 52 universes. No?

Dragon Ball's cosmology follows Many World Theory of Quantum Mechanics, where many different futures are created over the smallest of things. So the multiverse is constantly expanding endlessly with timelines that have atleast dozen of universes in them.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

that's just the local multiverse DC

 

[DeathstroketheHedgehog]

52 universes refers to the Local Multiverse. There's actually infinite universes in the Orrery.

 

[Stefano4444]

About the infinite^infinite thing, as far i know the only way for a character to trully be infinite^infinite is to be on a higher dimensional space, and the same should be apply with objects or multiverses.

Meaning, unless The Dark Multiverse is considered a 5th dimensional structure, in theory that multiverse cannot be infinitely above 2-A, but only above baseline 2-A.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

technically the dark multiverse has its sphere of the dark gods >_>

 

[DeathstroketheHedgehog]

The multiverse is already at least infinite^infinite excluding the Dark Multiverse. It's just that the Dark multiverse encompasses all of that.

 

[Planck69]

About the infinite^infinite thing, as far i know the only way for a character to trully be infinite^infinite is to be on a higher dimensional space, and the same should be apply with objects or multiverses.
Meaning, unless The Dark Multiverse is considered a 5th dimensional structure, in theory that multiverse cannot be infinitely above 2-A, but only above baseline 2-A.

Infinite^inifinite isn't even close to the gap between 2-A and Low 1-C though. That'd be an uncountably infinite difference, which the aformentioned doesn't even come close to.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Apparently, the number of universes is infinite, every event within those infinite universes, including sub-atomic particles, create infinite new realities every instant, and there are also infinite possible pasts and futures.

So, yeah.

 

[Uniasha]

wait till the goku from the east gets upgraded to 2A and then pit him against supes

 

[Uniasha]

the goku from the east

 

[Stefano4444]

Apparently, the number of universes is infinite, every event within those infinite universes, including sub-atomic particles, create infinite new realities every instant, and there are also infinite possible pasts and futures.

The DBH Multiverse is no different, between having infinite number of worlds, history be infinitely branched out and having a physical timeline for each possibilities (which there are infinite amount of them).

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

So it is safe to assume that the DBH multiverse is the same size as the DC multiverse, meaning it is just a droplet of water in a sea when compared to the Dark Multiverse? Cool.

 

[Uniasha]

this isnt going well for goku i suppose

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

So it is safe to assume that the DBH multiverse is the same size as the DC multiverse, meaning it is just a droplet of water in a sea when compared to the Dark Multiverse? Cool.

x12

 

[Planck69]

So...Supes punches I guess. Wow, rather anti-climactic.

 

[AwkguyDB]

So...Supes punches I guess. Wow, rather anti-climactic.

How so? Sorry got here late

 

[Planck69]

Superman> World Forger>= Dark Multiverse>>>>>>DC Multiverse >>>>>>>> infinite^infinite above baseline.

 

[AwkguyDB]

Gotcha I say this thread is probably gonna need to wait till we figure out the Baseline situation for DBH/DBX since there is a possible At Least 2-A justification also in the works.

 

[JackJoyce]

Ahh it seems only Marvel & Noein has bigger cosmology than DC. Supe ftw by muh infinity bigger than yours feat

 

[Planck69]

DnD and SMT are also up there

 

[Planck69]

Gotcha I say this thread is probably gonna need to wait till we figure out the Baseline situation for DBH/DBX since there is a possible At Least 2-A justification also in the works.

I very much doubt that it'll get this high but eh, why not.

 

[AwkguyDB]

Gotcha I say this thread is probably gonna need to wait till we figure out the Baseline situation for DBH/DBX since there is a possible At Least 2-A justification also in the works.

I very much doubt that it'll get this high but eh, why not.

I doubted that we had enough evidence to get them this far as it is XD

 

[AwkguyDB]

Gotcha I say this thread is probably gonna need to wait till we figure out the Baseline situation for DBH/DBX since there is a possible At Least 2-A justification also in the works.

I very much doubt that it'll get this high but eh, why not.

I doubted that we had enough evidence to get them this far as it is XD

I mean if it goes through then Base Demigra = Infinite ^ Infinite.

At that point

SSJ4 Goku > SSJ3 Goku > Gravy > Base Goku >= Makaioyo Demigra > DG Demigra > Base Demigra. But we will have to see.

 

[RinneItachi]

Demigra was going to destroy the real world, which is a tier -0 feat, and base Goku was stronger. SSJ4 Goku is tier -5.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Apparently, the number of universes is infinite, every event within those infinite universes, including sub-atomic particles, create infinite new realities every instant, and there are also infinite possible pasts and futures.
So, yeah.

That's not how infinite^infinite baseline works. Creating infinite realities instantly is moot if that happens in the same multiverse. It has to be more than one infinite multiverses. Not one infinite multiverse with realities still spawning.

 

[DeathstroketheHedgehog]

Broken down, it's basically saying there are infinite universes, and each universe contains an infinite amount of timelines.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

A new universe is created upon each choice

Every event, from invisibly small (sub-atomic) to trans-universal, spawns infinite timelines

So, its a bit high

 

[DeathstroketheHedgehog]

Even non-events instantly spawn infinite timelines?

 

[Ehnkr2beboh]

Knew this would be made. Correct me if I'm wrong, doesn't Rebirth Supes stomp?

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Broken down, it's basically saying there are infinite universes, and each universe contains an infinite amount of timelines.

Yes it creates infinite more universes in the multiverse. Where's the evidence it creates infinite multiverses instead of more infinite universes in an already infinite multiverse?