@Prince of Counters
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First things first, quite literally half of your argument falls under Association Fallacies and Golden Mean Fallacies and I'll get into that next. If you could I'd enjoy it if you could provide more proof to your arguments, also there are quite a few jutsu combinations that make no sense scientifically so that argument isn't all that grounded. 'Also' Humans in real life and humans in Naruto definitely have quite a few notable differences. For one we obviously can't create fire out of the blue from our mouths and we don't have any chakra systems. That's pretty silly.
Literally, nothing I posted falls under the association fallacy, association fallacy once again implies getting a fallacious result by comparing two unrelated things in the appeal of emotion, mine is through the scientific method that is applicable to any culture, also the golden mean fallacies is also not applicable here, not once do i assert the correct answer is in the middle, I outright assert that this is the way to do it the only thing I said was we give a low end for the population because
Estimations is a thing and told the OP that you could calculate it without using the population method if he subjectively though it was Inferior because there are multiple ways to calculate it.
You are Artificially creating Fallacies either through misinformation or to purposely discredit an argumentation in bad faith, I'm hoping it's the former.
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also there are quite a few jutsu combinations that make no sense scientifically so that argument isn't all that grounded.
Dark Matter, The placebo effect, Tetraneutrons all don't make scientifically sense should we suddenly stop using the scientific method? No. also this can be applied to every fictional universe yet we apply the scientific method, Ki is treated like lasers and Lightspeed, lightning can be dodged by humans, there are smoke trailed explosions in space, there is sound in space.characters can absorb stars, they can destroy celestial bodies with their eye lasers..there are spirits that change the weather, none of this is scientifically possible yet we apply the scientific method to the things that are similar to ours, why is basic biology and life suddenly excluded from this.
The Naruto Earth and Current Earth share this>Let the Association Fallacies begin.
This is a massive fallacy because your cherry-picking a single thing to discredit an argument, this would be the association fallacy on its own but it's not the root of my argument, my argument relies on the scientific method that doesn't care about arbitrary names or traditions, this is merely to highlight the already clear parallels to our world that are down to a T that is there to supplement and give weight to the main argument.
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Again, real Humans and Humans in Naruto have notable key differences between our biological. There's a lot that they can do that we can't, hell they even have a completely different nervous system that real humans lack
having a deviation doesn't suddenly deflect the huge amounts of similarities, this is even a worse argument when you realize that the chakra that humans use isn't even natural considering Kaguya. someone getting hit by radiation and having mutations doesn't suddenly stop them from being human when they still share the majority of similarities with humans.
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Aside from traditions from Asian countries and the culture Naruto doesn't really share a lot in common with our own cultures and traditions
Asian traditions and countries make up a large amount of our complete culture, now you're just arguing that because Naruto doesn't cover all our cultures it is not the same, which is a strawman by the way as I never asserted that they cover all our traditions and culture, I could have chosen 2 obscure cultures or traditions and my point would still stand.
> Naruto doesn't really share a lot in common with our own cultures and traditions
this can only be interpreted in three ways and all are wrong, so pick 1.
1. This assertion is any oxymoron to your first point, ultimately making it self defeating.
2. You're asserting that your culture whatever it is, is the same as mine and because Naruto doesn't share our culture it's not applicable therefore putting the value of your culture over another, you realize I can just counter this argument by saying Naruto shares a lot in common with my culture, especially if my culture is based on the Japanese culture? meaning you assumed the person opposed to the argument but okay.
3. Their similarities are the minority oppose to differences, in which case no, literally only the Shinobi system is different and that has more to do with how they deal with military force, that's like saying our own world doesn't share similarities with one another because Navy seals or whatever are trained a certain way.
here are some similarities.
- Hand Signs are based on the Chinese Zodiac signs
- Their Elemental assertions are based on Asian mythology
- the share similar customs such as birthdays
- They have recreational activities like drinking alcohol, partying, playing sports like kick the can, shogi ect.
- They share gender roles in regards to masculinity and femininity, such as males being the head of the clan"see the Uchiha", girls being associated with pink and cute things and many other stereotypes including parenting, these are all things exclusive to humans and their culture.
- Importance of friendship to overcome struggles, which is heavily rooted in late 1990's Japanese ideology where working together as unit for the better of the country was heavily shaped by decade commonly known as the lost decade which was the result of the bursting economic bubble that was 1980's japan that had a large focus on Individualism.
I can go on and on but I'm sure you get my point.
also your morale is heavily shaped by your culture and tradtion, which is why some cultures have cannabalism because value is entirely different between them but i digress.
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All Naruto does is take inspiration from oriental culture and adds it's own spin to it making this argument null
and Japanese is literally a spin-off of Chinese culture with its own spin, doesn't negate the argument or the similarities.
>This is the biggest flaw in your argument. Previously you were criticizing Damage for using an Association Fallacy but now you wanna pull this type of argument out? There's a lot of pieces of fictional work that refer to their planet as Earth but it's pretty clear they aren't our own earth. Our geography is way different and there are zero correlations between the two.
No, it's not an association fallacy because it's not the root of my argument, your cherry-picking. if someone asserted that people with red eyes (argument sake) stole money because another person now in jail had red eyes stole something that would be an association fallacy, however if there is a scientific breakthrough that shows people with red eyes have a chemical reaction that causes them to steal it's no longer an association fallacy but Objective observation, picking out arguments in a vacuum when they are not intended to be read that way is a dishonest way of rebutting something, the intent with the word earth here coupled with everything else implies the Author sees his fictional earth as being very similar to ours.
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Could you please provide the source for this? Regardless even with that statement that doesn't necessarily apply to the human population.
I already did in my first post, also yes technology will shape the population as easy as that, we literally apply this in real life to find out estimations of the population dating back 10 000 years, this is not a new concept.
with that being said this is my last post on the thread because it's getting tiresome to cover the same points whenever someone new pops in and attempts to strawman me, not only that but having to write these walls of text are annoying and the discussion being derailed by covering the same points over and over again despite there being an agreed consensus and baseline to work off that brought to fruition Damage's intention it's just honestly distasteful because it derails the intent meaning the threads never go anywhere which is the opposite of what OP and most members want, if anyone wants to ask me anything or whatever feel free to post on my wall. but until then peace out.
