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When you can come up with a non copy pasted reply you can carry on posting if not do not bother either.RegisNex1232 said:
Same with your "facts".
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Issues with Madara's Calc
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Same with your "facts".
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And the arguments continue to be misrepresented. That was never and has never been the argument we used.RegisNex1232 said:
The argument has always been that there is a causal relationship between technological advancement and population growth. This is a fact. However, it continues to be ignored in favor of random points being brought up that have nothing to do with the primary argument.
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The actual reasons are 'Naruto Earth is like Earth' and that's it. Nothing else is given or explained, simply stubborn insistence that this must be accepted and that Damage's thoughts in the OP are incorrect. The tiring argument is having to repeat this to everyone bringing up the same points without a single shred of evidence. If you are going to do that then what is the point of posting other than to stonewall?YungManzi said:
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Hey look, he is describing himself?RegisNex1232 said:
Its honestly ironic.
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My point was there is far too many unknowns to even decide that, like I said we literally don't even know what the other half of the planet looks like.
This could easily be solved by just dropped the population method as suggested above earlier.
This could easily be solved by just dropped the population method as suggested above earlier.
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Lmao so u didn't read anything that Shadow posted up top huh?
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What's worse Narutos earth is like ours.
It literally shares the same religions as our planet and teachings and this should definitely be more than enough to prove that it's literally like ours
It literally shares the same religions as our planet and teachings and this should definitely be more than enough to prove that it's literally like ours
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When you all have an argument with supporting evidence, Rocker, Jvando, Astral, Yung please post then. Otherwise try not to derail, stonewall or complain that your assumptions aren't being blindly accepted without reason.
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@Astral
You didn't even understand my post, I'm aware we see the literal planet from space I'm talking about what the other lands actually looks like.
You didn't even understand my post, I'm aware we see the literal planet from space I'm talking about what the other lands actually looks like.
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Lol cool ignore evidence that was posted hours ago
U not accepting means nothing to the overall debate at hand on this thread
U not accepting means nothing to the overall debate at hand on this thread
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Very cool regis, when you can follow your own rules come back to us. Else you can stop copy pasting now. You are literally wasting the thread replies.RegisNex1232 said:
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What does religion have to do with population here? How is that even evidence?
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So, you're outright ignoring all the legitimate points being brought up so far, and now you're asking for evidence?RegisNex1232 said:
How about you bring out legit evidence that the Narutoverse Earth doesn't hold more than a billion living beings. Since you started this argument, which isn't even the OP's argument to begin with, the burden of proof is on you.
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@Damage
Even though the calc was already removed, you should prob write a summary and ask staff about it before this spirals even further.
Even though the calc was already removed, you should prob write a summary and ask staff about it before this spirals even further.
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There's no reason to think that they do have as many kids as IRL humans either, especially to the point of billions people. Considering that we never see anything of that amount unlike fictional/media depictions of say Japanese cities. The comparisons can't be made since quite a few things are different. Again, please bring actual evidence please.
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Yeah seems you don't know how having the same religions proves that the world in Naruto shares similar aspects to our real world.
It clearly proves that it's our earth unlike your belief that it's not. Just because it doesn't have the same geography as our doesn't mean the number of humans is lower
If anything the planet can actually be argued to be bigger than ours in the first place
Assuming that it doesn't have a similar number of inhabitants is pure ludicrous
This site even tells us to always assume that a planet in a fictional world is similar to ours unless it's stated not to be.
Crazy how everyone argues now that the planet is different but when someone tries to upgrade the size of the planet it's the same as our earth.
It clearly proves that it's our earth unlike your belief that it's not. Just because it doesn't have the same geography as our doesn't mean the number of humans is lower
If anything the planet can actually be argued to be bigger than ours in the first place
Assuming that it doesn't have a similar number of inhabitants is pure ludicrous
This site even tells us to always assume that a planet in a fictional world is similar to ours unless it's stated not to be.
Crazy how everyone argues now that the planet is different but when someone tries to upgrade the size of the planet it's the same as our earth.
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How the argument "The Narutoverse humans are biologically different, therefore they produce less offspring" got into this thread is flat out hilarious.
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>When you all have an argument with supporting evidenceRegisNex1232 said:
>repeats the same rebuttal and continues to misconstrue the argument of the opposition in an effort to make their point illegitimate
Alright, I'll explain this again since you didn't see it the first dozen times it was posted
The argument isn't that "Naruto Earth is our Earth" so stop presenting that as the case. It's dishonest.
The argument is that Technological Advancement leads to (in a causal relationship) population growth and that since Naruto has a similar technological level to ours and based on the fact that Kishimoto literally stated he modeled it after our world, we can reasonably conclude that their population should be relative to ours.
"In Fact Kishi gives us a Time period in which Naruto is set
Shonen Jump:Your work seems to have a science fiction influence. Approximately speaking what is the technology level in the world of Naruto?
Masashi Kishimoto: Actually, the world of Naruto doesn't differ very much from our present time. TV, refrigerators and air conditioners exist in the world. The only exceptions are weapons and explosives, which I've decided to set in a much earlier era. That's why you don't see firearms.
https://www.flickr.com/groups/21318193@N00/discuss/72157623565977557/"
Maybe you should think of bringing up evidence instead of straw manning our arguments.
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So, you're outright ignoring all the legitimate points being brought up so far, and now you're asking for evidence?
How about you bring out legit evidence that the Narutoverse Earth doesn't hold more than a billion living beings. Since you started this argument, which isn't even the OP's argument to begin with, the burden of proof is on you.
When people have not yet successfully provided proof for their fantastical hypotheses, why are they being blindly accepted without reason? If people could stop making such arguments and actually give evidence, it might become easier. Otherwise there's no point in entertaining such thoughts.
How about you bring out legit evidence that the Narutoverse Earth doesn't hold more than a billion living beings. Since you started this argument, which isn't even the OP's argument to begin with, the burden of proof is on you.
When people have not yet successfully provided proof for their fantastical hypotheses, why are they being blindly accepted without reason? If people could stop making such arguments and actually give evidence, it might become easier. Otherwise there's no point in entertaining such thoughts.
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Technology isn't evidence and acting like it is is very dishonest considering the lack of depictions of such population numbers. It's not like Naruto Earth countries have massive cities like IRL cities like Tokyo, Dubai, Mumbai, NYC, London, etc.
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Sigurd Snake in The Eye said:
New calcs are being made
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RegisNex1232 said:
The main argument isn't even from kids. Please stop dodging everything else
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" Masashi Kishimoto: Actually, the world of Naruto doesn't differ very much from our present time. TV, refrigerators and air conditioners exist in the world. The only exceptions are weapons and explosives, which I've decided to set in a much earlier era. That's why you don't see firearms. "
He literally gives us Exceptions Regis. And world population is not one of them.
He literally gives us Exceptions Regis. And world population is not one of them.
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Why would anything else be satisfactory? Since when is imagined fanfiction or headcanon = facts about a verse? Why are you so insistent on not even attempting to meet such a level of support for argument?YungManzi said:
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there is no evidence that tell us how many living beings there in the naruto world.
assuming a number is even harder because the era it is supposed to be in is all over the place .
there is no evidence that the tree even captured animals in it's roots .
in those conditions i think 1 billion beings trapped in the tree as a high end is the best possible assumption .
assuming a number is even harder because the era it is supposed to be in is all over the place .
there is no evidence that the tree even captured animals in it's roots .
in those conditions i think 1 billion beings trapped in the tree as a high end is the best possible assumption .
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Religion? Seriously?
What does that have to do with population? If you're trying to say that because there are certain elements from a religion, that they all exist in Naruto and thus it's world more like our own, you're reaching. There's literally hundreds if not thousands of various religions on our planet. I don't recall seeing that many represented and those that did only had some elements, not the full religion. Even then, mainly, if not all, were oriental.
In addition, I don't believe that we've never even seen the full scope of the Naruto world barring the Five Major Nations and the smaller ones surrounding. We've only ever seen like one continent. Our Earth has 7.
Right now, the opposition seems to want us to just make a lot of assumptions for how Naruto's Earth is just like ours when we really don't know a lot about it.
What does that have to do with population? If you're trying to say that because there are certain elements from a religion, that they all exist in Naruto and thus it's world more like our own, you're reaching. There's literally hundreds if not thousands of various religions on our planet. I don't recall seeing that many represented and those that did only had some elements, not the full religion. Even then, mainly, if not all, were oriental.
In addition, I don't believe that we've never even seen the full scope of the Naruto world barring the Five Major Nations and the smaller ones surrounding. We've only ever seen like one continent. Our Earth has 7.
Right now, the opposition seems to want us to just make a lot of assumptions for how Naruto's Earth is just like ours when we really don't know a lot about it.
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That answer is about technological level.
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He says nothing about the population. Please don't attempt to mislead or trick people Rocker, and do try to meet the burden of proof necessary.Rocker1189 said:
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@Rocker1189; while I've already came to an agreement with Shadow regarding population ends, I don't think your point is relevant.
"He literally gives us Exceptions Regis. And world population is not one of them."
Kishimoto is talking specifically about how the technology of the world differs from Naruto Earth and IRL Earth. His statement doesn't mean "literally everything is the same between the two worlds except these pieces of technology."
"He literally gives us Exceptions Regis. And world population is not one of them."
Kishimoto is talking specifically about how the technology of the world differs from Naruto Earth and IRL Earth. His statement doesn't mean "literally everything is the same between the two worlds except these pieces of technology."
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There is:Naeblis495 said:
" Masashi Kishimoto: Actually, the world of Naruto doesn't differ very much from our present time. TV, refrigerators and air conditioners exist in the world. The only exceptions are weapons and explosives, which I've decided to set in a much earlier era. That's why you don't see firearms. "
No the era is pretty clear ^
Evidence has been posted above of a cat being released from it.
And I disagree.
0/3 points you got correct.
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Naeblis495 said:
Huh? We literally see animals.
The god tree is stated to leave the whole planet devoid of any life
We know which animals even have chakra as well.
Context even tells us that the point of th e God Tree is to absorb all chakra from every living thing on the planet and we know some animals if not all have chakra
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Except he says that the world is not different from ours, he is clearly no just talking about tech.Damage3245 said:
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Next does anyone even read e novels??? We literally see new counties which lay way way further away from the Fire nation
Next one of the countries called Redaku has had advanced technology since the age of Hagoromo
Until people actually bring facts stop talking about stuff just from Naruto which can easily be argued because it's based on your assumptions
Next one of the countries called Redaku has had advanced technology since the age of Hagoromo
Until people actually bring facts stop talking about stuff just from Naruto which can easily be argued because it's based on your assumptions
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Please dont attempt to say that I am misleadig or tricking people in anyway without evidence Regis. Your ability to assume intent from replies is pretty poor to say the least.RegisNex1232 said:
Its pretty clear that nothing would satisfy you Regis.
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i don't see any mention of population anywhere in that quote .
all i see from that "proof" , is a strand of cocoon being in front of a backround cat , not a single animal was showned being inside a cocoon and being drained .
disagree if you want .
all i see from that "proof" , is a strand of cocoon being in front of a backround cat , not a single animal was showned being inside a cocoon and being drained .
disagree if you want .
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Again, there is zero reason to wildly extrapolate population numbers without supporting depictions. When people stop trying to do so and deal in reality, maybe we might be able to discuss properly.
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