Isekai at Peace Discussion Thread

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Currently making a Nidzveld profile, think Agni will be next, or Lilith.

@Dereck03 Have you finished the main story yet (up to chapter 662 from memory).

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Just went a massive tangent while remaking the authority thread.

Iris when she fought Isis was Upper Count Rank

<Afterword>
Serious-senpai : [Incidentally, what is the approximate strength of Iris right now?]

? ? ? : [Well, from an overall perspective, I’d say she’d be around “upper Count-rank”.]

Serious-senpai : [Eh? But she beat Agni, who should be at peak Count-rank before, right?]

? ? ? : [That was because it was a match with rules and a crowd that couldn’t be involved, and because Agni-san agreed to a head-on power competition. If they were to seriously fight with the intention of killing each other, the current Iris would have no chance.]

Serious-senpai : [… Eh? For you to think that she would die…]

? ? ? : [I’m saying this now, but when someone reaches the level of a Six Kings’ executive, you can almost always revive yourself by default. Even when they die, they can come back to life by themselves.]

Serious-senpai : [… Six Kings’ executives are amazing.]-Chapter 735

So Iris was inferior to Peak Counts. With the difference between Iris and Isis being a billion to a trillion times

<Afterword>

Serious-senpai : [… The real question is, how much difference is there between the current Iris and Isis?]

? ? ? : [Let’s see. Well, if Iris’ current combat power is 1, then Isis’ would have around a billion or a trillion.]

Serious-senpai : [… The power balance is too one-sided.]-Chapter 736

Before we were thinking of using this statement to push Isis and co to galaxy level, but ultimately didn't work out, but what about the opposite? Since Iris at that point would have been superior to Roze who is 5-A, but inferior to Isis who is 4-A, with difference between them being a billion or a trillion times, Iris at that point would be 4-B, and Peak Counts and above would just scale higher into 4-B.

 

[BoastJr]

Snip

Well we do have some supporting evidence

Because the difference between Counts is very large in the first place so alice thought it was needed to divide up the ranks

High Rank Counts being 4B is fine because Mid Counts are already 5A

So it kind of tracks because there is suppose to be large jumps in power which is already established many times

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Looking attack potency, the gap from bottom to top in solar system level 686.97 billion, bigger then the gaps before it, High/Upper Ranks would be pretty far into 4-B based on what 6 Kings scale to (1.688e+63 joules), and this calculator, and Peak's being described as another level to those below them, even further into 4-B.

Looking at that, doesn't seem far fetched that Polaris could create legit stars, can probably push for a likely 4-A rating.

 

[Noneless21]

this is truly monkey paw moments, more AP but less defined in other area

 

[BoastJr]

Btw is Shallow Vernal technically the strongest isekai character ?

Some People says Gu Chenge is isekai and he is pretty strong cuz chinaman..

There is also some apparent Boundless guy from 2nd Life Ranker but I do not know the details to that

 

[Fantric]

Nah Shiro isn't the strongest Isekai character. She might be the strongest Japanese Isekai character but..... I'm 1000% sure there's some novel that has tier 0 in them.

 

[Noneless21]

good ol' philosophy, can't do tier 0 without them

 

[BoastJr]

Nah Shiro isn't the strongest Isekai character. She might be the strongest Japanese Isekai character but..... I'm 1000% sure there's some novel that has tier 0 in them.

I am so waiting for the Ultimate End Forms CRT

Kuro is gonna be so Giga Busted

 

[Noneless21]

I dont think there's anything to add for Ultimate End for Kuro or Shiro tbh, it's just something the author add if we exclude the Epilogue

unless you believe NEP Kuro and Shiro

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Boast appears and the first thing he does is start wanking.

Smh

 

[BoastJr]

unless you believe NEP Kuro and Shiro

Kuromueina NEP Plot Based Prologue Information History Type 2 Neg Diffs Weak Shallow Vernal with Impossibly Possible Actualizaton Awakned Prologue

Boast appears and the first thing he does is start wanking.

Smh

Kuro Higher Raw Strength Neg Diffs Ultimate End Shallow Vernal only no.2 in Raw Strength EZ 0 Diff

Weak Epilogue stands no chance against Impossible Possible Actualization Beyond Logic Illogical Prologue

Prologue only 2nd to Epilogue but Ultimate End Kuro combines Weak Epilogue and Stronf Prologue to make Duallogue and solos Fiction

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Scaling below pigeon toilet scale all logital probabilitieslgicLly

 

[BoastJr]

Scaling below pigeon toilet scale all logital probabilitieslgicLly

Scales Below Alice

Did you forget alice's power ? Alice never loses becaus she creates possibility where she wins

Alice fights Tier 0 Gaku and she creates possibility where she beats Goku ez

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

CRT to upgrade Peak and Duke Rank to 4-B.

 

[Noneless21]

CRT to upgrade Peak and Duke Rank to 4-B.

Is there any other crt after this and the smurf one?

 

[BoastJr]

Is there any other crt after this and the smurf one?

Dunno but I kind of wanted to compile skill feats but it sounds like tedious work for little benefits. Alice can dodge "Rain of Light" like attack from Eden and was stated to have Mist Like Evasion

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Is there any other crt after this and the smurf one?

Range, intelligence, stamina etc, which may be 1 CRT or multiple, but first have to redo some calcs and get them evaluated.

 

[Noneless21]

Range, intelligence, stamina etc, which may be 1 CRT or multiple, but first have to redo some calcs and get them evaluated.

That's still a lot

Not to mention nep that totally isn't a wank

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Bro actually needs to stop wanking.

Also the mftl+ via wine multipliers is funny to see. How fast are these guys rn? Cause it's 10x the speed of light x like over a million times..

 

[Fantric]

Around 1,577,847,600 times the speed of light

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

If the Polaris calc ever gets evaluated, on 1 end 6 Kings would potentially scale to being above 132558333.6xSol at Base, and could get 157,784,760x faster on top of that....

 

[Enter_Bluey]

This is just insane...though it feels better than them merely being ftl. Like casually blitzing 10x the speed of light, not going serious at all, and just vaguely scaling above? Yeah hope that Polaris one goes through

 

[Fantric]

Okay...that one just seems a bit too insane ngl... remember it was just marely FTL+ just a few days ago?

Now we wait for L2-C Six Kings

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Next CRT covering intelligence.

 

[BoastJr]

Bro actually needs to stop wanking.

Anyways, Here is the NEP CRT. Enjoy or Whatever.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Quick CRT for mind=soul.

Also crazy idea, what if I did a match up for Fate vs Yhwach

 

[Noneless21]

I don't think it'll work, soul crush and the almighty has a list of haxes that need resistance of, unless you're giving Fate Shiro's eyes at the start so maybe? It's either a stomp or mismatch

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

If mind=soul passes, 6 Kings level people will have 1 layer of soul resistance for resisting Isis serious magic power of death.

As for Almighty may be arguable, Fate manipulates concepts which Yhwach doesn't resist, plus the potential ungodly speed amp.

But yea was thinking Pre-Final arc Fate would be the only one that could work since Final arc Fate has essentially smurf resistance to any hax, you need 5-D range to hax her.

 

[Noneless21]

Now that I think about it, if mind = soul crt pass, then they all get type 1 conceptual soul resistance due to Isis' magic power of death,so maybe soul crush isn't good enough to affect them

If not, mid godly always came in clutch

Yeah I think uhh, unless Yhwach incap, Fate slaps kinda hard here

 

[Fantric]

Okay quick question, now that conceptual manipulation type 1 has been accepted for WN, since the descriptions are exactly the same, will it be applicable for LN as well?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Not really, a large part of it is based on the fact authorities are part of Shiro's power, which transcends space-time, last I checked LN hasn't reached the final arc with those transcend statements yet.

Speaking of LN, once it's caught some more a few years down the road, probably an argument for High-Godly regen for Life and WC's seeing as Life is immortal due to her authoritiy, which controls the very concept of life, with nobody being able to kill her except Shiro, and 6 Kings and beings like that can kill ppl with Mid-Godly regen.

 

[Noneless21]

And if that's the case, high godly World creator...

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Yes...that's what argument for high godly means

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Okay quick question, now that conceptual manipulation type 1 has been accepted for WN, since the descriptions are exactly the same, will it be applicable for LN as well?

Someone did this before Ultima, who I was waiting for. So basically, the standards for CM are: being called a concept whether personal or universal will count as a type 3 concept, unless the concept is proven to be the very essence of what it represents. So basically, universals.

 

[BoastJr]

How Fair is Isis Vs Yogiri

I think Isis could Whallop Yogiri unless I am missing something

 

[Enter_Bluey]

You know it's a stomp come on now...

As for fate vs yhwach, interesting. Assuming he can get around law manip + cm1, maybe she can precog and prevent his shenanigans, since his usual almighty stuff will probably lose in priority. Bit uhhh isn't authority gonna be smurf soon

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Authority is smurf, but just range, the pages have already been updated.

Fate's eyes are the same as Shiro's which saw 20,000+ years into the future, perceives the past, and present as well, and works on acausal beings. Now that I think about it, Shiro's eyes can look down on the universe, Fate probably should get cosmic awareness too.

I still have to make a thread addressing Fate affecting Kuro, it may lead to like a layer of concept manipulation? Will have to think on it.

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Wait fate affected kuro with her authority? When was that? And would that be 3 layers then(or was it reduced to 2, forgot)

It seems like fate kinda just pulls an almighty but better though honestly. Like all her stuff is improved compared to his. She can basically do the same thing too, like she disabled chronois's attack which was buffed by Shiro by influencing the past.

I mean heck I don't even think his stuff would work on base Alice honestly

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

It was in the flashback to events 20,000+ years ago, Fate is the strongest God (excluding Shiro), so Kuro was worried about fighting her before fighting Shiro, as that would exhaust her, which thinking about it is kinda ridiculous, if Kuro just went True Form and speed blitz and one shot her, Fate shouldn't have been able to do anything at all, or is it just a thing where Shiro and Kuro being completely equal, even if she did something miniscule before fighting Shiro, that would shift the battle towards Shiro? Lots of things to think about.

Obviously wouldn't put Transcendent God Fate against Yhwach, so the altering the past stuff won't matter, since it's Transcendent Fate who does that.