Isekai at Peace Discussion Thread

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Authority Thread

While waiting for a translation so we can wrap the ap thread up, we might as well do this.

I pretty much stuffed a bunch of stuff into this thread; Kaito's resistance, WC HDE etc. Will see if it turns out to be a mistake or not, could see some parts getting more focus than others.

 

[Legacy30]

About quasi-omnipotent resistances, what about Eden's case where she is equal to Shiro and Kuro and can nullify Shiro's protection on Kaito, thus being able to perma kill him? For her, the thing about Kuro and Shiro being one entity originally has nothing to do with her, she can nullify and equal them just fine.

And even in the final fight of the main story, it was Eden who was fighting Kuro the entire time. And Kuro didn't notice anything was off.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Nullifying Shiro's protection on Kaito isn't resistance though, that's power null.

As for Eden in the final arc, it's more an argument that normal Quasi-Omnipotent beings scale in abilities to each other because both can almost do anything, Kuro is an outlier because she was made for destruction. But yea Eden being able to nullify Kuro's power, would again be power null, there is no resistance here.

It would prove the nullification which happens in Kuro vs Shiro isn't just cause they were one being, but it's something every Quasi-Omnipotent being can do, which makes sense, but there is no resistance there.

 

[Legacy30]

One more thing,

あるいは権能はシロさんの力を劣化コピーしたものだから、有効だったり……ああ、でも、フェイトさんの運命の権能は無効化されるか……というか、最初に比べてシロさんがかなり調整しているらしいので、最初は弾いていた治癒魔法とかもいまは普通に効果を受けられるように変わっているので、細かい条件はよく分からない。
~chapter 1605

The language here doesn't definitively say the gods' authorities are degraded copies of Shiro's like it's a fact, this is just Kaito speculating they might be.

Edit:
About Iris resisting Isis' death aura, her modifications to her body which lowered her stats happened AFTER her battle with Isis. So she still had the body of Alice's unmodified for the fight.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Authorities are reproductions of Shiro's power, definition of a reproduction is to make a copy of something, not to mention they are stated to be a part of Shiro's power, I don't see why saying they are degraded copies is controversial here, it's Kaito speculating, but we have other definitive statements which lead to the same thing.

As for the Iris point, I can remove that from the thread since it was incorrect.

 

[Ihsjihahxu]

Why is Kuro 1-C?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

You have to be a little more specific, although I think I know what you are getting at. You are talking about Ultimate End right? We decided not to list it until we get more information, because we don't know how strong it is current, whether its just Omnipotent or Omnipotent and Omniscient.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Moon level+ to Planet level Kuro is unnecessary, as we already know Kuro is superior to all the Six Kings because her power is on a higher-dimensional level (complex multiverse) than them, even in her base form.


And this feat, shouldn’t it at least give Megiddo 1C or possibly 1C, since she was able to physically damage Kuro, who has 1C durability?

 

[Legacy30]

Megiddo's feat is an issue that will be addressed later, though we don't know what "serious Kuro" is. The former true form (shiro look-a-like) is impossible since nobody but Shiro knows about it during that time, so Megiddo harmed base form Kuro. There's an argument that it was Megiddo with Destructive Impulses having done it, a being personally created by Shiro, and then this form was sealed away and never appeared again properly in the story.

Also, there was a ranking where Megiddo having fully realized her potential in true form can become quasi-omnipotent, so I think this is when Megiddo will eventually have control of her destructive impulses.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Moon level+ to Planet level Kuro is unnecessary, as we already know Kuro is superior to all the Six Kings because her power is on a higher-dimensional level (complex multiverse) than them, even in her base form.


And this feat, shouldn’t it at least give Megiddo 1C or possibly 1C, since she was able to physically damage Kuro, who has 1C durability?

Moon level to Planet level won't be a thing once the ap thread passes. "Base" Kuro is relative, her Base before Kaito saved her is different from what we see afterwards, the latter being on the level of Shiro, and former having no proof of that unless I am forgetting something.

@Legacy30 Perfectly explained the Megiddo situation.

 

[Enter_Bluey]

So the Megiddo situation is explained by the fact Shiro influenced the six kings?

And oh right moon to planet wont be a thing since six kings will be what,' 4A?

 

[Noneless21]

At least 4A I reckon

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Expect nothing less from the GOAT of the strongest isekai slice-of-life harem to have the most. I was surprised at first, but it’s so peak, I love it. In the chapter I am on, I don’t like the idea of other characters who are not the MC having a harem bigger than him, when he is the very existence who made it possible for them in the first place. It is even more impressive that the 17 billion are world creators.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Expect nothing less from the GOAT of the strongest isekai slice-of-life harem to have the most. I was surprised at first, but it’s so peak, I love it. In the chapter I am on, I don’t like the idea of other characters who are not the MC having a harem bigger than him, when he is the very existence who made it possible for them in the first place. It is even more impressive that the 17 billion are world creators.

Arata has met his harem King match!

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Seducing people before you were even born is an insane feat, but its Kaito after all.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Arata has met his harem King match!

Yes, indeed. Both of them are some kind of singularity. For Arata, it is his rule that will rule everything. Its definition is feelings of love themselves, so it is not domination but love itself that no one can resist it , regardless of race, even something that has no physical body, universals/concepts, etc., . Even before the story of Trinity Seven, where he is the MC (not yet born), he already had girls under its control/in love with him, where Arata himself accepts everything and everyone, so he can’t reject a girl. And 99% of characters are female because of the power system.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Seducing people before you were even born is an insane feat, but its Kaito after all.

Indeed, I have only found two characters who have accomplished such a feat despite the number of harems that exist, and both are from OP verses where the plot is a metaphysical aspect.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Speaking of rizz, Kaito's social influencing could be massively increased, but being honest I stopped keeping track of his rizz feats after a while, the entire series is basically his rizz, after you start seducing abstract beings, gets kind of pointless to pay attention to all the other stuff.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Speaking of rizz, Kaito's social influencing could be massively increased, but being honest I stopped keeping track of his rizz feats after a while, the entire series is basically his rizz, after you start seducing abstract beings, gets kind of pointless to pay attention to all the other stuff.

On the part I am on, Kaito working, getting a job. Doing so would put the world in chaos. Laws of a country that limit him, or Kaito belonging to a country, mean someone is above him, which is something Makina would not allow. So it’s to the point, no one is allowed to be above him: kings, six kings etc ,And thanks to his harem etc , he is feared. He has Alice under his control and her subordinates , and don’t forget his pets are also rizzed by him, etc.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

The Fate one could be resistance

resistance since it said resist here

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Am thinking Makina’s immortality is 1A, as its non-dimensional state of existence is the cause of its superiority over dimensions. Since the statement is it does not belong/exist in any dimensional stratum, it is the non-dimensional state that gives it superiority over dimensions. And the way the statement is said, for example, you got a hierarchy/framework of dimensions, her core would not be part of it but outside it and separate from it which is a 1A thing.

New terms in the latest raw chapter: dimensional hierarchy (次元階層) and higher-order dimension (高位次元) compared to higher dimension (高次元), so it might not be just simple dimensional difference we knew beforehand.


translation by chatgpt, crazy. And they are also a higher-order dimensional existence themselves, not just their AP and Dura.

looking at that again , looks like 1A to me

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Not really possible as far as I know since she started off being mortal, and then through traveling the multiverse got to the level she is currently.

In other words she became "1-A" without the help of a 1-A being or thing.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Yes, indeed. Both of them are some kind of singularity. For Arata, it is his rule that will rule everything. Its definition is feelings of love themselves, so it is not domination but love itself that no one can resist it , regardless of race, even something that has no physical body, universals/concepts, etc., . Even before the story of Trinity Seven, where he is the MC (not yet born), he already had girls under its control/in love with him, where Arata himself accepts everything and everyone, so he can’t reject a girl. And 99% of characters are female because of the power system.

I’m gonna be proud of his 2nd 1A AP justification. Love it.

Spoiler

Arata is a true great demon lord who holds the strongest thema/concept that resists the gods themselves while itself can’t be resisted, being rule/impel that will rule everything, rule that is the very definition of feelings of love/romantic love itself, a thema not even gods comprehend and can’t obtain, which will conquer them, being the very concept of love-ness itself that does not exist among the gods. He currently rules three higher-ranking gods, and gods are concepts in the sense that they are core characteristics/qualities themselves that give things their properties. So he rules over Skade, who is the very concept of shadow-ness; Pholus, the concept of spacetime-ness, measurement-ness, and possibility-ness; and lastly Leviathan, the very concept of nature/law-ness. And by ruling them, he has their powers, as he can use the power of anyone he strips with his impel/rule, making them part of his harem, as he is the harem demon lord, thus he has access to the abilities of almost any female character in the verse.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Speed CRT

 

[Legacy30]

Interestingly, Alice said that Isis' casual movements would cause environmental damage to the world, so you can calc how much speed would be required to meaningfully damage a multi-solar system range.

Edit:
You can get absurd results like 10^28 times the speed of light.

 

[Noneless21]

I think that's calc stacking lmao

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Interestingly, Alice said that Isis' casual movements would cause environmental damage to the world, so you can calc how much speed would be required to meaningfully damage a multi-solar system range.

Edit:
You can get absurd results like 10^28 times the speed of light.

This seems very wrong but I can't put my finger on why though.

Maybe has to do with the blatant FTL statement in the very same feat, being linked with destruction, pretty sure anything FTL breaks KE rules, Isis should technically have infinite energy to be moving that fast. But I am no calc guy.

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Isn't a speed blitz like a 7x mult on here? If they can blitz the glasses perception then is that something?

Also I was looking at the peerage holder blog, I think it' missing sealing. Sealing an opponents magic is something high ranks do to avoid Spatial barriers right?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

From what I understand that's a vs battle thing we made up, it doesn't appy to scaling.

Ie in a vs match being 7x faster would be a speed blitz thus a stomp, but we don't make every character who speed blitzes another 7x faster on the wiki.

As for sealing sounds like the Fors statement about her sealing Lilia, from memory she said she would seal Lilia so she couldn't escape the barrier? Would have to relook at that later when I am home.

 

[Enter_Bluey]

I see, cause I was thinking about moving so fast you're not perceptible to even 10x light speed. Not sure if there's a general accepted baseline on here for speed blitzes. Then we could just multiply that x10, but I guess not. Though tbh I doubt it's lower than at least 5-6 times.

I believe the sealing statement was related to laguna but I forgot. It was something like sealing off the Spatial barrier is usually the method to deal with them. But you can't seal this person making their barrier unavoidable. Been a while so forgot the characters involved

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

The statement i saw basically said Fors would seal Laguna and then toss her in the spatial barrier, but Fors does that with nature magic which she is known for, so I don't think it should scale to all Counts.

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Do you think anyone would scale to this? Or get like resistance to sealing? I know the six kings can basically use a magic technique they see once...not sure if that would be marked on a profile though. Since it seems to be a unique magic to Fors

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Lilia and thus the 6 Kings, can instantly dismantle sealing techniques, so yea they already scale, but its power null.

I suppose we should note that in the peerage page, it's only on Lilia's profile right now.

 

[BoastJr]

There is way too much Isekai at Peace memes on reddit

 

[Noneless21]

The problem is that they did this at other sub too

 

[Bummel]

Propaganda

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

While we are sitting around waiting on the threads to pass, suppose I will pass the time by making some more WN profiles, albeit would have preferred everything else be done first.

 

[Noneless21]

which character you're making? is it World creator tier or below that?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Just made Illness.

Plan really is to make profiles for the 6 King Executives that we have illustrations for. Also the ones that we can add some abilities to, and not just peerage system so Fafnir for example won't be getting a profile, because there is barely anything I have for him.

But yea right now the profiles will be a little off since all the revisions haven't gone through ie Illness range not being planetary.

 

[Noneless21]

hmm, ic

so, we have Nidzveld, Lilith, Sechs (?), Zwei, the 5 Generals beside Ozma, and that's all of them I believe