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goku should be wanked to tier 0 because he is a buff man screamingI don't understand what you're trying to say. Can you be more specific?
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goku should be wanked to tier 0 because he is a buff man screamingI don't understand what you're trying to say. Can you be more specific?
Transcending the concept of time and space was never stated to be an NLF in the FAQ? And also, is what I said even 1-A? (the thread I am arguing)I don't understand what you're trying to say. Can you be more specific?
I'm new to VSBW and scaling so I may be really bad at start okgoku should be wanked to tier 0 because he is a buff man screaming
I don't think it needs to be stated, as NLF states "This is when someone states that because something has not demonstrated any limits (or only certain limits) then it has none (or only the ones demonstrated)."Transcending the concept of time and space was never stated to be an NLF in the FAQ?\
And I don't see any argument other then the originals post that argues 1-A, which we've already discussed and debunkedAnd also, is what I said even 1-A? (the thread I am arguing)
No, we don't upscale characters or anything just because they have mentioned concept, it's solely depends on said fiction, if they treat or explains concept in a way that it can be Tier 1, then it'll be, if not, then it won't be.And also, is what I said even 1-A? (the thread I am arguing)
he seems to be new here and don't know much about our standards and how we scale characters. I believe he just need a guidance.I don't understand what you're trying to say. Can you be more specific?
The FAQ addresses it. More evidence would be something like that even an infinite amount of infinitely larger realms wouldn't be able to reach the character or something like that."Without more evidence" wdym by that?
You're trying to argue semantics here. It's referring generally to being superior to either idea. It's not enough on its own for a 1-A rating.It states "beyond dimensions" to be a NLF, not beyond dimensionality or concepts?
What does that mean? I'm confusedI don't think it needs to be stated, as NLF states "This is when someone states that because something has not demonstrated any limits (or only certain limits) then it has none (or only the ones demonstrated)."
My bad I meant that if my thread argument even means transcending the conceptsAnd I don't see any argument other then the originals post that argues 1-A, which we've already discussed and debunked
I meant to say that if what I said actually means transcending the concepts of time and space because that's outer in CSAP right?No, we don't upscale characters or anything just because they have mentioned concept, it's solely depends on said fiction, if they treat or explains concept in a way that it can be Tier 1, then it'll be, if not, then it won't be.
yes that's exactly itAlso, we have page over conceptual manipulation, it'll be better if you read through it, we have explained different types of concepts and how they differ from each other. It's merely a hax unless explained in the show in such a way that it can contributes to scaling.
Conceptual Manipulation
Conceptual Manipulation is the ability to manipulate, create, and/or destroy abstract concepts. This ability has a variety of applications, ranging from not combat-applicable to incredibly dominating. Conceptual Manipulation involves the manipulation of concepts, and not the universe directly...vsbattles.fandom.com
he seems to be new here and don't know much about our standards and how we scale characters. I believe he just need a guidance.
it is a no limits fallacy if something shown hasen't reached limit, and conclude it has no limitsWhat does that mean? I'm confused
This isn't csap, since they have different standard's, and I don't use csap, I don't knowI meant to say that if what I said actually means transcending the concepts of time and space because that's outer in CSAP right?
How does this relate with this thread and concepts transcending?it is a no limits fallacy if something shown hasen't reached limit, and conclude it has no limits
Well is what I argue in the beggining of this thread even mean transcending the concepts? Why or why not?This isn't csap, since they have different standard's, and I don't use csap, I don't know
Basically you said concept transcending stuff, without enough evidence to prove it is on the level of 1-A, but you concluded it was 1-A cause it has not been shown to have limits yet, and thats a no limits fallacy you didHow does this relate with this thread and concepts transcending?
But isn't it true?Basically you said concept transcending stuff, without enough evidence to prove it is on the level of 1-A, but you concluded it was 1-A cause it has not been shown to have limits yet, and thats a no limits fallacy you did
Why’s that? If the concept of space has been shown to encompass 11 dimensions only, why should it encompass something like a hyperverse? A concept is an abstract essence that shapes a part of reality, so the concept of something scales to what it has been shown to shape. That is, unless we have supporting evidence for the transcendent nature of said concept.And trascending the concept of dimension means you are beyond any dimensions,even infinite dimensions.
Nope, that’s only platonic concepts. If the concept of space is dependent in nature, it scales to the number of dimensions on context. If the concept of space is transcendent in nature, it scales +1 dimensional over the number of dimensions in context.Because the concept of something is beyond all the forms of that something.
Why are Platonic Concepts that?Nope, that’s only platonic concepts. If the concept of space is dependent in nature, it scales to the number of dimensions on context. If the concept of space is transcendent in nature, it scales +1 dimensional over the number of dimensions in context.
Can't speak for other sites, but for VSBW being beyond time and space is just a +1 dimension thing without more to it.And is what I said even mean transcending the concepts of time and space about this thread because I know it's Outer in CSAP
Then use the CSAP site to assess the character in question while speaking respectfully. VSBW differs on this point, and there are standards (which are pointed out here, by the way) that reject this type of scaling philosophy. There are many threads regarding not using Platonic Concepts, many threads (and recent ones) that explain how we, in general, scale characters at this high level. Which approaches and criteria should be met, and all of these factors.because I know it's Outer in CSAP
But it just doesn't make sense. How can Outerversal here be bound by some form of dimensionality while transcending dimensionality isn't Outer?Then use the CSAP site to assess the character in question while speaking respectfully. VSBW differs on this point, and there are standards (which are pointed out here, by the way) that reject this type of scaling philosophy. There are many threads regarding not using Platonic Concepts, many threads (and recent ones) that explain how we, in general, scale characters at this high level. Which approaches and criteria should be met, and all of these factors.
Looking at your original post, you publicly asked whether it adhered to our standards. You received your answer there and still insisted on proving them wrong by referencing other site's policies and standards.
Do you not comprehend the absurdity of that type of conversation?
Because not all dimensionality is created equally. Transcending the dimensionality in a 12D verse isn't automatically better than being 100-D in some other verse.How can Outerversal here be bound by some form of dimensionality while transcending dimensionality isn't Outer?
Because the terminology you are using is not even universally defined through all verses.But it just doesn't make sense. How can Outerversal here be bound by some form of dimensionality while transcending dimensionality isn't Outer?
But is it true that Outerversal is still bound by dimensionality? Why?Because not all dimensionality is created equally. Transcending the dimensionality in a 12D verse isn't automatically better than being 100-D in some other verse.
The wiki has a different standard on how "typical" dimensionality works than other wikis. Not a math dude to explain it though.But is it true that Outerversal is still bound by dimensionality? Why?
This video explains my contentionsCSAP is basically where people go when they have some ridiculous tiering philosophy that can't get accepted here