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Now that i think about it, maybe it's not but i could be wrong again. I guess i'll make a thread.
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Is this not enough for total universal destruction? (yes, a DBS question)
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Well it would either continue for years (cough moon level roshi cough) or they would change the standard like they do with the immeasurable speed one.
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I'm pretty sure moon level roshi only got accepted because Seth made a video lol. I could be wrong though
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What about the other parallel worlds (Other World, Realm of the Kai's, Demon Realm) that Goku and Beerus' energy eruption was panning to erase?
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Wiki doesn't accept them as separate space-times for some reason
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this place sucks
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Those aren't accepted as separate space times, else how tf would this feat be low 2-C? We are discussing this in one other thread though if you want to talk about 2-C u7.
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That was amazing lmao homie really just dissed the entire wiki and dipped.
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if the verse treats it like that, yes, but most fiction gives math a middle finger
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I dont think so
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So, just from my experience, this isn't going to work.
With this, I see a few problems: the various realms of the DB verse are not separate dimensions so much as physical locations. A dead person can travel between the realm of the dead and the living should they have the means to, like flight or teleportation. Second, being 4D does not mean time is getting destroyed. 4D refers to spatial dimensions, not time. Time is only a "dimension" in the loosest possible sense. Destroying the universe without destroying time is just a really big "reduce to a void" feat, and not on the same level as destroying the space-time continuum of a universe, which would technically be greater. This is very different, especially in a verse like DB where there are multiple universes. The fight might've destroyed nearly everything in the universe (sans Beerus and maybe Goku), but it would not have destroyed it so much that the number of universes would be reduced by one, with no way to travel to or exist inside the universe. That's the difference between 3-A and 2-C universal destruction.
And yes, the natural argument to follow would be to say that time is meaningless in a giant void. It is, but it's not gone. The background radiation of the universe, the photons created by the explosions, that stuff wouldn't cease to exist, at least for a while. That's why the destruction of time or a timeline is necessary to qualify as a higher tier. The difference is small, but significant.
Now, if this fight showed something like Future Trunks's timeline being affected, then 2-C is back on the table because it's affecting multiple space-times, even if it's within the same universe.
With this, I see a few problems: the various realms of the DB verse are not separate dimensions so much as physical locations. A dead person can travel between the realm of the dead and the living should they have the means to, like flight or teleportation. Second, being 4D does not mean time is getting destroyed. 4D refers to spatial dimensions, not time. Time is only a "dimension" in the loosest possible sense. Destroying the universe without destroying time is just a really big "reduce to a void" feat, and not on the same level as destroying the space-time continuum of a universe, which would technically be greater. This is very different, especially in a verse like DB where there are multiple universes. The fight might've destroyed nearly everything in the universe (sans Beerus and maybe Goku), but it would not have destroyed it so much that the number of universes would be reduced by one, with no way to travel to or exist inside the universe. That's the difference between 3-A and 2-C universal destruction.
And yes, the natural argument to follow would be to say that time is meaningless in a giant void. It is, but it's not gone. The background radiation of the universe, the photons created by the explosions, that stuff wouldn't cease to exist, at least for a while. That's why the destruction of time or a timeline is necessary to qualify as a higher tier. The difference is small, but significant.
Now, if this fight showed something like Future Trunks's timeline being affected, then 2-C is back on the table because it's affecting multiple space-times, even if it's within the same universe.
You are fundamentally misunderstanding space-time. Destroying a room destroys nothing but the room. To destroy the room in space-time, you would have to destroy its place in the timeline; for example, if you destroy a room but a time traveler can go back in time and sit in the room before it's destroyed, you have not affected space-time. To destroy the room in spacetime it would have to cease to exist in both the past and future.
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Except they are separate dimensions—hermetically-sealed as well.
The Demon Realm is a world parallel to the Universe and is the other side of the Living World coin.
The Other World is a higher realm sealed off of from the Living World and contains its own sub-dimensions: Heaven, Yemma's Realm, and Hell.
The Sacred World of the Kai is a dimension that hovers around the universal globe and is about a fraction of its size.
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But i did say that you would destroy room across past present and future.
Would it be Low 2-C?
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make a CRT
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Can't wait to see "All of Universe 7 operates under the same temporal continuum" on an official blog.
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Sorry if this sounds stupid or something, but what the hell does having time erasing hax have to do with low 2-C AP
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it's not time hax, it's 4D power
a timeline contains uncountably infinite 3D "moments" just like how a cube contains uncountably infinite squares, destroying a timeline (low 2C) is uncountably infinite times stronger than just destroying a universe (3A)
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and even if you have to destroy a timeline to destroy a universe then
the fact that goku can destroy a universe makes the timeline thing given
If I say that I’m going to stab the inside of an orange, and I have to stab the orange peel first to get to it, then it’s given that I stabbed the orange peel first because if A must happen for B to happen and I do B, then you know I did A
but maybe I’m just misunderstanding you somehow?
the fact that goku can destroy a universe makes the timeline thing given
If I say that I’m going to stab the inside of an orange, and I have to stab the orange peel first to get to it, then it’s given that I stabbed the orange peel first because if A must happen for B to happen and I do B, then you know I did A
but maybe I’m just misunderstanding you somehow?
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a timeline is the universe, just the whole part of it
a blast would usually only destroy the 3 spatial axis of the universe (3A)
but if it's implied that the destruction included the timeline (the 4th temporal axis) it's low 2C
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that's not how it works because u destroy the matter usually, not the timeline
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That statement always confused me, it implies time doesn't exist, but time DOES exist in the after life.In this scan from chapter 476 of z Goku says time doesn't exist in afterlife so is this that enough for 2-C bog since this implies afterlife is an seperate space time and the translations are from hermes the viz translation for this part are shit
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Where was that stated
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no, it's not fake science, learn about dimensions
again, i don't care about dragon ball scaling, I'm just making the difference between 3A and low 2C clear
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It means it's a separate space time
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Because it doesn't have time it's separate from normal worlds time
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it's a separate spacetime because the time flow in it is different, what's your point? what is it if it's not a timeline?
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I understand if it's time works differently than the normal world, but if it's literally stated that it has no time then how is it a space time?
My point is that the afterlife is stated to have no time, not that the time flow in it is different which means that the afterlife is not a regular "space time continuum".
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if u know about dimensions then sure, hear me out
1 dot, 0D
1 line, 1D, uncountably infinite dots
okay, the universe is 3D, from it's start to it's end, how many "snapshots" or "moments" there are? uncountably infinite, just simply destroying the universe is 3A, but destroying all the timeline, past, presence and future, is 4D, and requires uncountably infinite more power to do so. hope this is clear
again, I'm not disproving your point, I'm just teaching u the difference between 3D and 4D universes
in simple terms, all universes are 4D, but not all universe busting feats are 4D.
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