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There's definitely a few issues but unless someone else does it, I'll do it way later. There's some decent feats though.
Anime only.
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Invincible season 1 amazon tv show discussion
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There's definitely a few issues but unless someone else does it, I'll do it way later. There's some decent feats though.
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I can't believe I just said ******* anime only.
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Invincible is what you get if Saiyan Saga was fleshed out to be a whole thing, except an adult Vegeta was sent to earth, not a infant Goku.
Also the Frieza stand-in is Freddy Mercury.
That's a gross oversimplification and ignores Robot and friends but generally speaking.
Also the Frieza stand-in is Freddy Mercury.
That's a gross oversimplification and ignores Robot and friends but generally speaking.
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Finally watched episode 8, holy crap
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Armageddon?
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I remember looking at all the memes for episode 8
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I think there was a recalc to put it at 6-A to High 6-A
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Invincible stopping and throwing away that meteor could use a calc unless we’re scaling him to his father
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Bruce Willis movie about him trying to stop a giant asteroid
he’d definitely not scale to his father, Omni was trying to wear him down and Mark was doing nothing to him
We could definitely upscale him and Immortal from Mark tho
Interesting
ueah that’s true
We should definitely call Omni’s feats and upscale him from Mark
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Why does something being a reference somehow invalidate it? It could be a reference, but that doesn't change the fact that in context, it did indeed happened and is something Omniman claimed to basically show off his power to his son and to indicate how he has a long, long way to go still.
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I'll try find it
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Is that calc a meteor destruction calc?
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Destruction of Viltrum - Invincible
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Hellbeast
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Cheers, I’ll have a look at itDestruction of Viltrum - Invincible
I get your point but the thing is it’s miles
Above everything else Omni performs in the series
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A bit to early to call that. We've barely seen him going all out and it's still early. The show has been adding and taking away things here and there, tweaking the sequence of events, but also adding quite a bit of feats and statements. That mountain feat from Ep8? Show original. The meteor? Show original. I could go on.
This isn't the comics any longer, it's a new canon and it should be treated as such.
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I finally finished watching the series (and I want to read the comic) Who would say that in the first episode they showed us Batman's nightmare of whether Superman was actually evil and killed the JL and then conquer the planet Xd.
There are interesting things, I wonder what speed would mark and the others have?
MFTL+ by scaling Allen that he can travel from one solar system to another?
there are clearly massively hypersonic+ or sub-relativistic feats (mark traveling to the atmosphere and in another episode to the moon)
There are interesting things, I wonder what speed would mark and the others have?
MFTL+ by scaling Allen that he can travel from one solar system to another?
there are clearly massively hypersonic+ or sub-relativistic feats (mark traveling to the atmosphere and in another episode to the moon)
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Yes. And not even by a bit, and it won't be the last time.
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That’s my point
The meteor is miles above anything he actually does on screen and the show and we kinda need to see more for us to think he’s high tier 6
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Of a an ongoing show.
It sure as **** isn't invalidated because of a possible reference. Just slap "possibly" and call it a day till further notice.
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That’s my suggestion
Focus on his on screen feats and put a likely higher (mentioning the meteor feat)
It being ongoing also means nothing since we have to go off what we actually have
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You realize that goes both ways right? It's one of his very few feats/statements thus far. It being tier 6, he has zero consistent showings thus far. Every single one of his feats vary drastically, what we have is very little, and that little we do have all differ. Not a single feat thus far has more credence over any other. Except like basic tier 8 feats because other characters have those too.
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True but feats are > statements so we should focus on what we see Omni actually do
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Which is a bunch of casual feats that aren't at all reflective of his actual output. All of which vary widely and you aren't getting any type of coherent tiering from any of it due to said great variance. And not just a statement, it's a statement of something he did indeed do, it's a feat all the same. A statement would be Cecil going "idk he could probably toss a meteor that big", but that isn't what happened, what happened was "Hey Mark I did toss a meteor this big".
Be real here, if you're going the route of "the feat isnt credible because it's to high above his other feats", yeah, sure, that could make sense, but it doesn't not yet at least, because his other feats themselves are extremely casual, him holding back, and so on and they themselves still vary in magnitudes of order. You can't call outlier on a feat that hasn't been established to be an outlier yet. The absolute best you could do is like "At least 8-A, possibly [whatever this feat ends up at]". Because that's the only thing we can concretely say based on his showings.
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They’re still miles more reliable then a statement for something that happened ages ago.
We do the same for DCEU Supes by not using the tectonic plate or even the Doomsday moon feat despite the fact we know those happened
Because they are miles above everything else and have far too many unknowns for quantification
This is the same case, we have no idea what “size of Texas” means (whether that referenced weight, width or length), the proportions of the asteroid or even what type of rock it’s reliably made of.
It doesn’t matter because we see nothing on the Tier 6 level. It’s fine to say everything is casual but if that’s all we have to work with then we can’t go higher (look at Saitama)
Also I sincerely doubt he’d Simply be Tier 8 considering he’s >>> Invincible who has a perfectly quantifiable feat for tossing aside the meteor in that very same scene as the Texas statement.
It’s not like there’s no precedent for this and this seems to be what we do for characters like this.
I’m not even saying it’s an outlier, just that it might not be as reliable as the actual on screen feats he performs
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And yet every single one differs wildly. So which one is it then? Every single feat you could list has it's own fair share of issues, because there's no consistency yet. Every single statement, feat and showing, at the moment, is fair game for the animated show incarnation of Omniman. Reliable? He got knocked out by a High 8-C blow by the kaiju, but in the same episode barely got a nosebleed from a pointblank extensive barrage of a orbital laser cannon. See the issue? No they aren't more reliable. You're creating an arbitrary difference between his feats and powers to discredit some but treat others as more reliabe, when there isn't any yet. This shouldn't be hard to understand.
Good for those. If I wanted to discuss DC I wouldn't be in the Invincible thread now would I? I could start listing off verses where the best feat is a statement and we use said statement because it isn't actually properly and consistently contradicted and as such we have no reason not to use it. If you want name off verses that do whatever it is they do, I can do the same.
Because they are miles above everything else and have far too many unknowns for quantification
What? Yes we do? He literally gestures with his hands the width. It's obviously not weight, and length (or height) would be if he raised his hands vertically, instead he spreads his arms horizontally to portray the width of the asteroid while conveying the size of it. This is basic contextual comprehension. And rock? We have meteorite values, generally it's 7-8g per cm3. Though, are you actually trying to say "we don't know the exact type of rock it was so it isn't reliable". You could pull the same argument even if it was explicitly shown on screen. You could use the same argument for every single feat in the verse, we aren't told the exact materials of what is destroyed in ANY scene, instead we just deduce it based on common sense.
Again, not an actual argument. He could say he blew a ******* hole through a planet with one punch, as long as it isn't contradicted shit's fine to use. And guess what, it isn't contradicted. It's miles above everything else? Not exactly, at least not any larger a difference compared to some his lowest end to even something like the Flaxan feat. 8-A Vs. 6-C is about the same difference between 6-C and 5-C. See my point? You can not, unironically say one feat is to high, when all his feats, at the moment, vary ******* WIDLY and there isn't a coherent or consistent scale that exists for him yet. If your issue is feats being to high based on the minimum, then every single feat above like 8-A is throw out the window, maybe 7-C at best.
And to many unknowns? He clearly signals he's talking about a meteor as wide as texas.
You mean the character who has hopped around multiple tiers and was even 5-B at multiple points based on a far less concrete statement of a hypothetical of him destroy earth? Also we unironically do have higher things to work with, youre just saying "nah it isnt reliable", and making up excuses as to why it isnt reliable. When everything you've said is easily able to be worked around. We unironically have something higher to work with here. And nothing on tier 6? We barely have anything on Tier 7 statistically speaking comparative to tier 8.
And it's not a matter of quantity to begin with, Omniman could have only tier 9 feats, if there is nothing to suggest that tier 6 statement is false, and there's no feats that consistently say he isnt that tier, and the statement was from a reliable source (Omniman doesn't oversell himself fyi, comic spoilers, he knows his limits, a bit to well). Then we have no reason to say that statement isn't at the very ******* least worthy of a possibly/likely on the profile, because that's what it is. In ANY other situation we'd just list that shit and say "yeah here's his minimum fyi, but also here's possibly this strong too".
Who also has gotten his ass smashed in by tier 9 and 8 feats far more consistently. If you want to play a number's game, actually sit down and count the feats, Mark is statistically harmed by far less then Tier 7, only having two tier 7 feats to his name, with like 3 dozen tier 8 feats. I'm fine with using the meteor feat for Mark, but I'm gonna call a spade a spade and call you out when I see it.
In almost any other situation we'd at the very least say "possibly [meteor statement here]" untill otherwise proven. That's what we'd do, and that's what has precedent. I don't even know why we're arguing this, I'm not even saying "he should ONLY be this", I'm saying he should "possibly" be this. And that's what we have those terms for to begin with.
I mean, you aren't saying that, but that is your argument. If it's not an outlier, then why are you continuously bringing up "it's better then his other feats", that ONLY applies and matters if it's deemed a outlier. It being higher has absolutely no bearing on the conversation unless it's an argument of it being a outlier, if you aren't arguing that, drop any further mention of it being stronger or weaker.
Of course, onscreen feats are more quantifiable and the like, which is why, I'm simply saying list it as a possibility, that's what the shit is there for.
Look, I really don't want to argue this, but this is getting somewhat suspicious all things considered, there's no real reason to discredit the feat to the extent that I'm seeing here. And if we have a statement saying a character can or better yet, DID, do a thing, and that statement isn't actually contradicted at all, well, we list it as is on the profile, and just preface it with likely/possibly.
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Firstly watch your tone, there's no need to use so many expletives and consider an appeal to motive fallacy
With that established we can move on
I don't either because that's what I'm actually suggesting here, give him a possibly based on the meteor feat.
With that established we can move on
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Why because I said **** several times? All things considered that was extremely tame. And I never said you in particular, I was actually saying in general, but a spade is a spade and I'll call it out as I see it, shit's beyond just a little suspect.
Actually, earlier you said "likely higher".
Likely higher and "likely/possibly [value here] are two completely different things, in which we use both. The former is needlessly vague which is what you proposed earlier, even with mentioning the feat.
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Yes because you said **** several times
And again it's a fallacy for a reason
Looking back I did say that, my bad
Can we move on now?
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Well no offense but, so? It be like that sometimes, or a lot. You may just have to get used to it, people say **** in this day and age. And I'm one of said people, don't take it personally, I don't mean to offend you in anyway.
Yes.
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Accounting for the fact it took 3 of them to destroy the planet would yield above baseline Small Planet level, basically dividing baseline planet level by 3.
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You do know the calc is much higher than that? And the recalc is far lower than that?
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The problem is the Planet was also destabilised
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The core was destabilized, not the planet. An unstable core has an overtime effect on a planet and does not mean that the planet gets easy to bust.
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What recalc?
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Destruction of Viltrum - Invincible
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