Invincible Planet feat discussion

[The_one_you_least_expect]

So I made a thread specifically to discuss and talk about the invincible show on Amazon. Some how it has devolved into a debate on the Invincible comics infamous plant busting feat. So to avoid my thread getting lock because things are getting heated I have created this thread to properly discuss and debate the feat.

 

[Chariot190]

Planet was destabilized by a magic space beam that can shoot through anything, and can destabilize celestial objects with one shot, causing them to become fragile and crumble apart.
it was specified that they only had one chance to bust the planet.
It was stated they'd likely die on impact if the core had time to stabilize so they had to be fast and chance the beam and impact the planet at almost the same time and altogether.
The planet only exploded due to said sudden impact and the core being destabilized. And isn't something they could have done in a normal situation.

Thus, the planet exploding can't be properly scaled to any of the parties involved.

Alternatively, the initial impact can be, and so can them flying out the other side of the planet, which caused a huge upheaval of the planet's crust at high speeds on the side of exit, before the planet exploded, that seemed to be on them and caused by them flying out, even if the planet was destabilized, and became fragile, the mass would still have, well, mass to it, so the moving of said mass at high speed would still have KE which can be applied.

Of course, the mass ejected from the explosion doesn't apply, that is due to the planet exploding, which again, only happened due to the destabilization.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Planet was destabilized by a magic space beam that can shoot through anything, and can destabilize celestial objects with one shot, causing them to become fragile and crumble apart.
it was specified that they only had one chance to bust the planet.
It was stated they'd likely die on impact if the core had time to stabilize so they had to be fast and chance the beam and impact the planet at almost the same time and altogether.
The planet only exploded due to said sudden impact and the core being destabilized. And isn't something they could have done in a normal situation.

Thus, the planet exploding can't be properly scaled to any of the parties involved.

Alternatively, the initial impact can be, and so can them flying out the other side of the planet, which caused a huge upheaval of the planet's crust at high speeds on the side of exit, before the planet exploded, that seemed to be on them and caused by them flying out, even if the planet was destabilized, and became fragile, the mass would still have, well, mass to it, so the moving of said mass at high speed would still have KE which can be applied.

Of course, the mass ejected from the explosion doesn't apply, that is due to the planet exploding, which again, only happened due to the destabilization.

can u show the scans of it being destabilized and they only could destroy it due it?

 

[Cropfist]

Only the core of the planet was destabilized.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Only the core of the planet was destabilized.

the core of a planet has 1/3 of the mass of the planet

 

[Chariot190]

Only the core of the planet was destabilized.

Which is what caused it to explode.


the beam can cause chain reactions.



They made use of that.

 

[KatBoi69]

And because of a discussion that happened elsewhere, I am honor-bound to support Chariot in saying yeah, apparently that laser just has the ability to significantly destabilize large bodies of earth floating in space. As much as that sounds wild, it isn't an outlier and has happened at least one other time.

 

[Metalballrun]

The evidences against anyone scaling from Viltrum's destruction looks quite straightforward. But what would the ratings for the trio be?

 

[Danny1112]

Planet was destabilized by a magic space beam that can shoot through anything, and can destabilize celestial objects with one shot, causing them to become fragile and crumble apart.
it was specified that they only had one chance to bust the planet.
It was stated they'd likely die on impact if the core had time to stabilize so they had to be fast and chance the beam and impact the planet at almost the same time and altogether.
The planet only exploded due to said sudden impact and the core being destabilized. And isn't something they could have done in a normal situation.

Thus, the planet exploding can't be properly scaled to any of the parties involved.

Alternatively, the initial impact can be, and so can them flying out the other side of the planet, which caused a huge upheaval of the planet's crust at high speeds on the side of exit, before the planet exploded, that seemed to be on them and caused by them flying out, even if the planet was destabilized, and became fragile, the mass would still have, well, mass to it, so the moving of said mass at high speed would still have KE which can be applied.

Of course, the mass ejected from the explosion doesn't apply, that is due to the planet exploding, which again, only happened due to the destabilization.

This https://vsbattles.com/threads/invincible-amazon-tv-show-discussion.114585/post-3783736

 

[Qawsedf234]

When I get the chance I'll do a sphere cap end. But as a guess you're probably looking at something in the 5-C range after you take a third off for everyone.

 

[Danny1112]

I thought the next calc was to be about the K.E of the explosion. I made a calc about that, how does it look?

 

[Qawsedf234]

If it wasn't for Thaddeus it'd be pretty usable.

 

[Danny1112]

If it wasn't for Thaddeus it'd be pretty usable.

The claims for Thaddeus are based on assumptions and shouldn't be taken seriously due to nothing backing them up.

 

[Slacjow]

The claims for Thaddeus are based on assumptions and shouldn't be taken seriously due to nothing backing them up.

Thaedus knows limits of Viltrumite strength.
His statements are more legit than anyone on this site.

 

[Danny1112]

Thaedus knows limits of Viltrumite strength.
His statements are more legit than anyone on this site.

That's not what's being debated. And that limit was based on an "Assumption".

 

[Confluctor]

Finally.

But I agree with Chariot. The planet wasn't in its stable condition.

 

[Danny1112]

Finally.

But I agree with Chariot. The planet wasn't in its stable condition.

The "Planet's core" actually, which was even stated. However, what's being argued is if the planet's core holds the whole mass of the planet together which is wrong scientifically and would be an assumption due to no citation or evidence to back it up. Even if the GBE of the planet was overwhelmed by the beam for a while, Mark and Co are still the reason the planet shattered much and sent flying.

 

[Cropfist]

Does 1.25x gravity factor into any of this? Including the new large planet calc?

 

[Danny1112]

Does 1.25x gravity factor into any of this? Including the new large planet calc?

It dosen't add much, it lifts the mass of Earth from 5.972e24 to 7.465e24 kg

 

[Qawsedf234]

So stealing the image DMUA made

• Final Volume = 1.8524895916116e+19 meters^3
• DMUA Ends: 1.8524895916116e+19 / 1.0975095e+21 * 7.456e+24 (mass) = 1.2585005e+23 kilograms
• DMUA Low End: 5.452672594096e+33 / 3 = 1.8175575e+33 (5-B)
• DMUA High End: 4.9074053346753e+34 / 3 = 1.6358018e+34 (5-A)
• Asura Ends would all still be High 6-A just higher

Though the above generalization still has some issues like the fragments possibly not being part of the three's ram and that the planet wouldn't have uniform mass since most of it would be focused in the core. But it should be in the ballpark.

 

[Chariot190]

However, what's being argued is if the planet's core holds the whole mass of the planet together which is wrong scientifically and would be an assumption due to no citation or evidence to back it up.

The beam literally causes chain reactions causing things to crumble and become fragile on contact. The scan was posted twice, I have no idea what you're on about with "no citation or evidence to back it up", that's simply how it works.

Mark and Co are still the reason the planet shattered much and sent flying.

Actually, that would be due to the explosion, blatantly so.
The only shattered part we can safely say was them.is what Qawsed just posted.

 

[Danny1112]

The beam literally causes chain reactions causing things to crumble and become fragile on contact. The scan was posted twice, I have no idea what you're on about with "no citation or evidence to back it up", that's simply how it works.

There have been nothing posted that supports it being able to cause chain reactions. The only thing posted suggest it cracks any planetary bodies it comes in contact with. So basically, it cracked the core of the planet which is the reason for its destabilization. So it could be it just cracked the planet and then Mark and co created an impact strong enough to make those cracked parts flying hence causing an explosion due the planet breaking apart but there's no proof that the whole planet was cracked or destabilized.

 

[FanSyst]

If the possible downgrade is approved, at what level would Omniman be?

 

[Chariot190]

There have been nothing posted that supports it being able to cause chain reactions. The only thing posted suggest it cracks any planetary bodies it comes in contact with. So basically, it cracked the core of the planet which is the reason for its destabilization. So it could be it just cracked the planet and then Mark and co created an impact strong enough to make those cracked parts flying hence causing an explosion due the planet breaking apart but there's no proof that the whole planet was cracked or destabilized.

Dude it LITERALLY says, and I quote.
"The asteroid is breaking apart."
"It's causing a chain reaction".

No, they didn't cause an explosion, them ramming the planet didn't send the debris flying, and it exploded due to the unstable core.
We SEE what parts of it were sent flying by the ram.
Everything else was due to the explosion, that they don't scale to, because magic scifi gun and fluff.

 

[Danny1112]

Dude it LITERALLY says, and I quote.
"The asteroid is breaking apart."
"It's causing a chain reaction

"It's breaking apart" and "causing a chain reaction" are two different things fam. We only see the asteroid crack and afterwards Omni man and his pal break it apart fully.

No, they didn't cause an explosion, them ramming the planet didn't send the debris flying, and it exploded due to the unstable core.
We SEE what parts of it were sent flying by the ram.

It didn't explode due to the unstable core, the planet was literally fine until Mark and co hit the planet. The fact Thaddeus said the core was going to stabilize refutes your whole "Domino effect" point. The beam only cracks planetary things for a while. Mark and co took that advantage to fully break the planet apart and that depends on if the planet was also cracked and not only the core. The explosion came after Mark and co broke the the planet fully apart, which is what happens when a planet is breaking apart. Your whole magic device is just an assumption, since it's not even described to be so.

 

[Chariot190]

"It's breaking apart" and "causing a chain reaction" are two different things fam. We only see the asteroid crack and afterwards Omni man and his pal break it apart fully.

It didn't explode due to the unstable core, the planet was literally fine until Mark and co hit the planet. The fact Thaddeus said the core was going to stabilize refutes your whole "Domino effect" point. The beam only cracks planetary things for a while. Mark and co took that advantage to fully break the planet apart and that depends on if the planet was also cracked and not only the core. The explosion came after Mark and co broke the the planet fully apart, which is what happens when a planet is breaking apart. Your whole magic device is just an assumption, since it's not even described to be so.

Except it isn't. Literally the same panel, Allen says both.
The asteroid wasn't broken by them, it was breaking apart already and they fled.
Allen LITERALLY says this blatantly.

Literally fine

Maybe if you ignore the giant energy nuke, the cratering of the top of the planet, and the core becoming completely unstable. it was anything but fine, it not being fine it was allowed them to ******* do this. This isn't even up for debate, it's explicit as **** dude.
Yeah, for awhile, and in that moment they hit it, which due to the strong impact and destabilized core and compromised durability, it exploded..
The explosion wasn't them, they didn't cause it to explode, they merely set it off. But the planetary mass of debris ejected by the explosion? Isn't them doing it, blatantly not the case. They ejected some debris, the explosion part isn't scalable to them in the slightest.

"The magic space gun that is, and I quote, "An indestructible laser that can shoot through anything" and can "compromise the stability of large objects, causing them to fall apart and crumble, even causing chain reactions"
Is somehow not at all doing anything here despite the outlined abilities of it, a showcase of what it does to celestial objects in foreshadowing mere issues prior, and Thaedus explicitly outlining the core needed to be destabilized, they only have one shot, and if they weren't fast enough to take advantage of the destabilized core and beam, they'd likely due on impact.

And no, "when a planet breaks apart it explodes", isn't how that works.
Not even irl, which is what you're basing your argument off of.
And if that WAS the case, that would be even worse for your argument because if planets automatically explode with sufficient damage, then the planet exploding wouldn't scale to them anyway.

 

[Chariot190]

No matter how you slice it, they didn't cause the planet to explode under their own power.
It's made blatantly clear that's the case.

Just ******* scale them to what they actually did instead of trying to justify a feat that isn't theirs and basically saying Thaedus, the most reliable source, is full of shit. While ignoring the space gun and it's effects almost entirely.

 

[Danny1112]

Except it isn't. Literally the same panel, Allen says both.
The asteroid wasn't broken by them, it was breaking apart already and they fled.
Allen LITERALLY says this blatantly.

Breaking apart and cracking can literally be described as the same thing. It wasn't shown that the asteroid broke to that extent, instead we see Omni Man and his pal charge out from the asteroid like they broke it apart fully.

Maybe if you ignore the giant energy nuke, the cratering of the top of the planet, and the core becoming completely unstable. it was anything but fine, it not being fine it was allowed them to ******* do this. This isn't even up for debate, it's explicit as **** dude

All the beam did was create a tiny crater not even the size of small mountains, so yeah the planet was fine as a tiny crater is nothing compared to the planet range. The energy nuke was literally created after Mark and co hit the planet and even a small damage to a planet's core can cause it to be unstable.

Yeah, for awhile, and in that moment they hit it, which due to the strong impact and destabilized core and compromised durability, it exploded..
The explosion wasn't them, they didn't cause it to explode, they merely set it off. But the planetary mass of debris ejected by the explosion? Isn't them doing it, blatantly not the case. They ejected some debris, the explosion part isn't scalable to them in the slightest.

Again, an unstable core doesn't equal a weakened GBE as long the mass remained intact. The beam was only able to send a shock at the core seeing as the crater it caused wasn't even deep. Mark and co then rushes in and hits the planet creating a greater power cable of shattering the planet and sending it flying at speeds. You said they "Triggered it" and you're not wrong, they triggered the whole explosion with their K.E. In other words, they sent large amounts of joules of energy to the planet which shattered it and caused it to spread, not the beam. The beam only just caused the core to destabilize, it didn't cause the planet to explode considering it was going to stabilize itself. I literally don't know what's hard there and why you're rather reaching for "Magic beam" when feats says otherwise.

 

[Chariot190]

Except they didn't, they flew out of the asteroid, that was crumbling apart. They didn't do shit. "Hey this asteroid is literally falling apart lol".
Then we see them fly out of a crumbling asteroid.
Occam's razor exist for a damn good reason, stop ignoring statements for the sake of it.

And no, breaking apart and cracking are by definition not the same thing. Breaking apart requires it to separate into at least different quantifiable pieces. Cracking is just that, a crack.
If he says it's breaking apart, it's separating into different pieces, if he said cracking, then yeah, it'd be cracking, but that isn't what was said not shown. Hell Allen even says it's breaking into PIECES.

All the beam did was create a tiny crater not even the size of small mountains, so yeah the planet was fine as a tiny crater is nothing compared to the planet range. The energy nuke was literally created after Mark and co hit the planet and even a small damage to a planet's core can cause it to be unstable.

A tiny crater, with an energy explosion caused by the beam itself the size of a large country. You see the issue right?
The energy nuke was the beam, why in the actual **** would it be them? Last I checked they weren't exactly known for creating giant blue bursts of energy, seems more like a energy beam power if you ask me.
Small damage, except this wasn't small, it was a super all powerful indestructible laser beam that can and could explicitly kill anyone or anything in the verse and they used that to completely **** the planet's core, allowing them to even do the feat in the first place without dying, but also doing the rest in the first place.

Again, an unstable core doesn't equal a weakened GBE as long the mass remained intact.

No, but what it does mean is that the planet is now gonna explode, and THAT overcame the GBE. Not them, an explosion did that, an explosion that they could only do in a specific situation, not Actually done under their own power.

The beam was only able to send a shock at the core seeing as the crater it caused wasn't even deep.

Except the beam kept on going. You don't actually think the beam stated to be indestructible that can explicitly pass through anything just suddenly stopped on impact? Especially when it's outright stated to not do that.
In a situation where they had the beam HIT the core. The beam doesn't even disappear on impact either, you can still see it so what the hell are you on about?

Mark and co then rushes in and hits the planet creating a greater power cable of shattering the planet and sending it flying at speeds.

Except that isn't what happened. They didn't even shatter the planet, the planet only fully shattered AFTER they were thousands of kilometers away, by it exploding, which happened AFTER they were out of reach. The very fact the planet only shattered AFTER they were far away tells us blatantly their impact didn't do it, because if it did, it would have shattered on IMPACT. Not after the fact, by an explosion, that was caused be a destabilized core and them flying through it.
By pure definition it is a chain reaction.

You said they "Triggered it" and you're not wrong, they triggered the whole explosion with their K.E. In other words, they sent large amounts of joules of energy to the planet which shattered it and caused it to spread, not the beam.

Except they didn't. They quite literally did not do that. As outlined above, the fact the planet only explodes AFTER is telling enough. Chain reaction.

The beam only just caused the core to destabilize, it didn't cause the planet to explode considering it was going to stabilize itself.

Yes, the sudden impact on the destabilized core is what caused it to explode. That doesn't change the fact the destabilized core is what did it and the key factor to the feat. If the core was stabilized, it wouldn't have exploded. What's that mean? It means scifi bullshit makes it completely unquantifiable and not something they can actually do normally.

I literally don't know what's hard there and why you're rather reaching for "Magic beam" when feats says otherwise.

Because I'm actually reading what the characters say and not just ignoring the fact they explicitly needed a magic ass laserbeam to destabilize the core to pull off destroying the planet and if they didn't do that it would have failed and they'd even die.
You're straight up ignoring statements, context and the like and just looking at the pretty pictures to draw a conclusion.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Why were they attributed to the feat at all if they, from what I'm seeing, didn't even do most of it? 99% of that seems to be all from the beam hitting the core causing the planet to blow up. Did they even fragment the planet in a way that can be calced if the beam was in front of them and pierced all the way through before they could do anything? Or did the beam stop at the core and then they punched through?

 

[Chariot190]

Why were they attributed to the feat at all if they, from what I'm seeing, didn't even do most of it? 99% of that seems to be all from the beam hitting the core causing the planet to blow up. Did they even fragment the planet in a way that can be calced if the beam was in front of them and pierced all the way through before they could do anything? Or did the beam stop at the core and then they punched through?

Them bursting out the other side and upheaving a chunk of the crust seems to be on them. Which can and has been calced.
The actual explosion bit though that ejected the entire mass at real speeds wasn't done on their own own, it was a combination of factors making it unquantifiable.

 

[Danny1112]

Except they didn't, they flew out of the asteroid, that was crumbling apart. They didn't do shit. "Hey this asteroid is literally falling apart lol".
Then we see them fly out of a crumbling asteroid.
Occam's razor exist for a damn good reason, stop ignoring statements for the sake of it.

Breaking apart and cracking are literally the same thing, whether it's cracking to pieces or breaking to pieces. It all simply means when something becomes unbounded, unattached to the whole or something. The comparison of meteor to a planet is simply asinine since a cracked meteor would just drift off into space in its pieces, however the likes of a planet has GBE. So, it wouldn't just drift off into space like the broken meteor. Basically there's no proof of the beam being some magical beam that makes things break apart untill they aren't close to each other anymore but rather just a powerful energy beam. Seeing as its feats are like any regular energy beam and the fact that they didn't just leave the beam to do its work "Break apart the planet" like it did with the "meteor".

by the beam itself the size of a large country. You see the issue right?
The energy nuke was the beam, why in the actual **** would it be them? Last I checked they weren't exactly known for creating giant blue bursts of energy, seems more like a energy beam power if you ask me.
Small damage, except this wasn't small, it was a super all powerful indestructible laser beam that can and could explicitly kill anyone or anything in the verse and they used that to completely **** the planet's core, allowing them to even do the feat in the first place without dying, but also doing the rest in the first place

This the actual size of the Crater, it's not even as wide as a city and probably a town. The crater we see after that one, is the one after Mark and co hit the planet. The beam also didn't go through the planet as you literally see it deflected upwards in a round manner.

You misinterpreted by point with "causing small damage. What I was trying to say, is that a small damage to a planet's core can cause it to be unstable, basically the impact dosen't need to be large.

Except that isn't what happened. They didn't even shatter the planet, the planet only fully shattered AFTER they were thousands of kilometers away, by it exploding, which happened AFTER they were out of reach. The very fact the planet only shattered AFTER they were far away tells us blatantly their impact didn't do it, because if it did, it would have shattered on IMPACT. Not after the fact, by an explosion, that was caused be a destabilized core and them flying through it.
By pure definition it is a chain reaction.

Them being far away from the planet before it explodes is just them being faster than the explosion. They landed on the planet with K.E and it exploded, the core being unstable has no hand in that Even if we assume the core being unstable affected/weakened the GBE of the planet, it would only cause the planet to become loose to the point it was weakened. However, that has no hand in the K.E impact Mark and co created being able to make the planet break apart and drift into space.

Yes, the sudden impact on the destabilized core is what caused it to explode. That doesn't change the fact the destabilized core is what did it and the key factor to the feat. If the core was stabilized, it wouldn't have exploded. What's that mean? It means scifi bullshit makes it completely unquantifiable and not something they can actually do normally.

You just need to impact enough force to cause it to explode (which is what Mark and the rest did) there's no magic, or Sci Fi in the whole thing.

Because I'm actually reading what the characters say and not just ignoring the fact they explicitly needed a magic ass laserbeam to destabilize the core to pull off destroying the planet and if they didn't do that it would have failed and they'd even die.
You're straight up ignoring statements, context and the like and just looking at the pretty pictures to draw a conclusion.

It wasn't stated that they needed the planet's core to "Destabilize" to destroy the planet, however I said for us to assume that the instability of the core is to reduce the planet's GBE or make it loose a bit to make it easier to break apart and drift into space.

 

[Chariot190]

Breaking apart and cracking are literally the same thing,

Literally not the same thing. A crack is a crack, being broken into pieces is no longer a crack.

whether it's cracking to pieces or breaking to pieces. It all simply means when something becomes unbounded, unattached to the whole or something.

False, a crack is merely a compromise. Breaking apart is completely unbounded and separation.

The comparison of meteor to a planet is simply asinine since a cracked meteor would just drift off into space in its pieces, however the likes of a planet has GBE.

Even a asteroid gas GBE if large enough. And don't move the goal posts, be it a planet or a asteroid it is EXPLICITLY shown to be able to these things. Like it or not it's an inmate quality of the beam, it's something it can did do, with the intent of foreshadowing no less. Shit happened only issues before the planet feat. The planet has GBE, which they didn't overcome. The planet exploded due to a variety of factors and THAT overcame the GBE. Not them.

So, it wouldn't just drift off into space like the broken meteor. Basically there's no proof of the beam being some magical beam that makes things break apart untill they're aren't close to each other anymore and just a powerful energy beam.

"There's no proof except this blatant proof because I said so".
Not how it works, the beam, ignoring the fact it's actually a magical scifi beam with ludicrous properties. Is the WHOLE ******* reason any of this was possible. And yes there is roof, it literally did it to the asteroid, despite being an absolutely massive asteroid, a single shot caused it to crumble apart, despite the beam only hitting it in one spot, much like the planet.
It isn't just a powerful beam, Omniman himself states it's an indestructible beam that can shoot through anything with a whole bunch of weird innate qualities. We even see it oneshot a viltramite.

Seeing as its feats are like any regular energy beam.

Except when they're not, which you keep ignoring.

This the actual size of the Crater, it's not even as wide as a city and probably a town. The crater we see after is the one after Mark and co hit the planet. The beam also didn't go through the planet as you literally see it deflected upwards in a round manner.

Yes because you pixel scaled it right? Given the immediate energy nuke, which can also compare to the initial scenery, can be seen from space. It's not as small as you think it is.
The beam did go through the planet, why the hell do you think Thaedus said "aim dead center", because the whole point was to have the EXPLICITLY stated indestructible beam that can shoot through anything unhindered to hit the core.
And it quite literally wasn't reflected upward, you're confusing the long ass beam still being visible to it being rebounded, instead of just, ya know, it still be visible because it's big.
And that's ignoring the fact it CAN'T rebound or be deflected, that is explicitly not how it works, it's IMPOSSIBLE for that to the case I'm context. And you'd better hope that's the case as well because this beak can oneshot Omniman, if you're arguing all it did was that """""tiny"""" crater and then it just rebounded, you'd know that make this feat a blatant outlier given they're weaker then the beam durability wise if you want to forego it's special properties, which seems to be what you're doing.

You misinterpreted by points with "causing small damage. What I was trying to say, is that a small damage to a planet's core can cause it to be unstable, basically the impact dosen't need to be large.

Except not how it works, for one who wants to quite reality so much, what you're implying isn't possible in reality nor what happened in context.

Them being far away from the planet before it explodes is just them being faster than the explosion.

No, it means the explosion happened in response to, not due to, the KE of them. Chain reaction dude.

They landed on the planet with K.E and it exploded, the core being unstable has no hand in that

The WHOLE point is that it had a hand in that. That's literally the point of the scene. It was made PERFECTLY clear that they wouldn't be able to destroy the planet without racer's gun. And they only had ONE chance to pull it off, because not only would they die, but they'd fail if it stabilized. This is basic contextual understanding, like come on dude.

Even if we assume the core being unstable affected/weakened the GBE of the planet, it would only cause the planet to become loose to the point it was weakened.

Yes, to a completely unquantifiable degree making scaling then to the destruction in total impossible without making shit up or numerous arbitrary assumptions.

However, that has no hand in the K.E impact Mark and co created being able to make the planet break apart and drift into space.

Yes, abd that was calced at High 6-A and 5-B/A. That upheaval of the crust and initial impact I have no issues with, I only gave issue with the explosion and the total destruction, because that is explicitly not on their end, was circumstantial, and can't be replicated normally.

You just need to impact enough force to cause it to explode (which is what Mark and the rest did) there's no magic, or Sci Fi in the whole thing.

You aren't even reading it are you? How in the **** are you even arguing that it was entirely their KE when it's BLATANTLY outlined to not be true. Read the shit, stop looking at the pictures in a vacuum and read the context of the feat.

It wasn't stated that they needed the planet's core to destabilize...to destroy the planet, however I said for us to assume that the instability of the core is to reduce planet's GBE or make it loose a bit to make it easier to break apart and drift into space.

It was actually. It wasn't worded like that, but the meaning and intent is still there. They need Racer to hit the planet dead on, causing the core to be destabilized, which previously established causes things to become highly volatile, break apart, and fly into space, in that brief instance where the core was destabilized, they punched through the planet, which, in conjunction with the now highly compromised and volatile planet, caused it to blow up, and if they were to slow, and have died and fail to bust it.

They helped, but it wasn't them. It's make clear it was a situational feat that could only be accomplished with outside aid.

Edit: Forgive my typos, on mobile.

 

[SheevShezarrine]

When I get the chance I'll do a sphere cap end. But as a guess you're probably looking at something in the 5-C range after you take a third off for everyone.

Sounds consistent with the guesstimate calc derived from Omni-Man's "size of Texas" statement for the meteor he stopped

 

[SheevShezarrine]

If the possible downgrade is approved, at what level would Omniman be?

Moon level, probably

 

[Qawsedf234]

Sounds consistent with the guesstimate calc derived from Omni-Man's "size of Texas" statement for the meteor he stopped

Meteor thing was show only afaik. It ended up being 5-B for the calc assuming we're not going with a fragmentation end.

 

[Imaginym]

Meteor thing was show only afaik. It ended up being 5-B for the calc assuming we're not going with a fragmentation end.

Calc link, please?

 

[Chariot190]

I think he meant 5-C, I haven't seen any meteor calcs beyond that thread. Unless he meant the planet calc.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Calc link, please

https://vsbattles.com/threads/invincible-planet-feat-discussion.116994/post-3784770

 

[Chariot190]

That 5-B end looks aight. What would it be split 3 way? Still 5-B hopefully?