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Gonna need more than that.(not 1-B, though)
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Gonna need more than that.(not 1-B, though)
I mean, nothing of what you said here is accepted yet from what Im seeing, soIsn't there a thread going on to separate geometric higher dimensions and reality-fiction higher planes of existence? If I remember correctly then geometric higher dimension such as this should only account to range, while only reality-fiction higher planes would become tier 1. Before anyone says "The narrative tells us that he "sees lower dimensional beings as only a character on a page" so it must be a reality-fiction difference", I'll address this by saying that this exact line makes it more geometric dimensions than reality-fiction dimensions.
Aye, case by case. And in this case, we have additional context in how higher-layers are treated, its not only about the Abyss.In fact, in the Tiering system FAQ for higher dimensions questions: "When are higher dimensions valid, then"
It states "Furthermore, higher-dimensional entities can also qualify for higher tiers when the verse which they are from explicitly defines them as being infinitely above lower-dimensional ones in power and/or existential status. An example of this being verses such as Umineko no Naku Koro ni. However, lower-dimensional beings being stated to be "flat" in comparision to higher-dimensional aliens is not necessarily grounds for assuming the latter has infinitely more power (For reasons outlined in the answer above), and thus, such scenarios must also be analyzed case-by-case."
If so then great, but the Abyss shouldn't get anything unless there is statements stating it as a reality-fiction difference or a infinitely more powerful differenceAye, case by case. And in this case, we have additional context in how higher-layers are treated, its not only about the Abyss.
...You were the one who mentioned 1-C in the first place though.
1-C isnt being proposed, only Low 1-C and 1-B.
Well, thats not really up to you to decide at the end of the day, since as things stands now it very much means a R-F difference. Not that it matters much since thats not the only Tier 1 thing here.If so then great, but the Abyss shouldn't get anything unless there is statements stating it as a reality-fiction difference or a infinitely more powerful difference
Do you have reasons against it? Cuz that'll be just arbitrary.(not 1-B, though)
However there is nothing that relates to a R-F difference, the only difference I can see is a geometric difference.Well, thats not really up to you to decide at the end of the day, since as things stands now it very much qualifies as R-F difference
How is it a geometric dimensional difference, when it outright says that it's akin to a fictional character in a book to a higher dimensional being above it?I'll address this by saying that this exact line makes it more geometric dimensions than reality-fiction dimensions
Define Reality to fiction difference here. Since despite having an outright definition statement of it, you're saying it isn't.Unless I'm missing something, these statements further proves a geometric dimensional difference, and the last line even helps prove my point as this is showing that the 5 dimensional character would see a 3 dimensional character as a "flat" person, which doesn't qualify as an infinitely more powerful difference nor a R-F difference in the tiering FAQ, just as how a 3 dimensional character would see a 2 dimensional object
Bruh. There is, are we reading the same stuff?However there is nothing that relates to a R-F difference, the only difference I can see is a geometric difference.
Besides, ordinary humans could not perceive this dimension, making it impossible for them to fight back.
The lower beings appears only as a character on a page. Due to the difference in dimensions."
please state where it says "fictional character in a book to a higher dimensional being", I can only see "The lower beings appears only as a character on a page. Due to the difference in dimensions." which is common when showing geometric difference. The statement doesn't say "the higher dimensional character sees the lower as a fictional character and can do whatever" only that they see the people as a flat character(characters such as "a" or these characters I'm typing on my flat screen), which doesn't qualify for R-F difference nor a infinitely difference, only a geometric difference such as a 3d person seeing a 2d object flat because a 2d object doesn't have widthHow is it a geometric dimensional difference, when it outright says that it's akin to a fictional character in a book to a higher dimensional being above it?
a geometric difference would something like: "A 4D can't possibly affect a 5D" or somewhere there.
yes they are fictional because they aren't real, such is the reason "fiction". Not that they can be a 2 dimensional concept to youIdk about you, but when Im reading a superman comic the characters on the page are very much fictional to me. Same case here
big difference is that they are "fictional" to him, as in not real
Yung asked for his inputAlso can someone get Ultima to decide once for all?
how in the hell, they see lower-dimensional people as characters on a page, like a drawing something that does qualify for r/fbig difference is that they are "fictional" to him, as in not real
Here is a geometric difference, not a fictional difference
Ra is perceiving characters as drawing in a page.big difference is that they are "fictional" to him, as in not real
Here is a geometric difference, not a fictional difference
I don't know if you have bad interpretation problems butplease state where it says "fictional character in a book to a higher dimensional being"
A character in a page i.e a 2 dimensional drawing/character wouldn't be able to perceive a being in a higher dimension than it; a 3 Dimensional being is a reality fiction difference. This is further supported in this particular quoteThe lower beings appears only as a character on a page. Due to the difference in dimensions.
Besides, ordinary humans could not perceive this dimension, making it impossible for them to fight back.
This is not a common showing in geometric difference, can you prove that it is? Cuz a geometric difference would be something like aizen's statement.which is common when showing geometric difference.
It's an implication, it says that they are higher dimensionalThe statement doesn't say "the higher dimensional character sees the lower as a fictional character and can do whatever" only that they see the people as a flat character
Besides, ordinary humans could not perceive this dimension
Now tell me how does this not indicate that they exist in a higher dimension than a page i.e fiction.The lower beings appears only as a character on a page. Due to the difference in dimensions.
Give me the definition of Reality fiction difference. Like seeing something as fiction is a reality-fiction difference, but according to you it isn't.(characters such as "a" or these characters I'm typing on my flat screen), which doesn't qualify for R-F difference nor a infinitely difference, only a geometric difference such as a 3d person seeing a 2d object flat because a 2d object doesn't have width
I'm gonna ask you this question to clear things up; What is fiction? Like let's say a drawing in a book is presented, would that be fiction to you?big difference is that they are "fictional" to him, as in not real
Here is a geometric difference, not a fictional difference
Okay so here we go. I don't know much about Ra, but seeing the scans I would qualify him as a tier 1 character, why him and not the Abyss? It is because of the fact that he literally sees the universe and everything as not real to him, the character from the Abyss doesn't and only sees them as like a dot/character in a flat plane just as we 3d people see 2d objects, just that they are still real to us. Geometric dimensions in the real world are separated by dimensions, meaning that we can't touch/interact with them because we aren't in the same dimension as them.how in the hell, they see lower-dimensional people as characters on a page, like a drawing something that does qualify for r/f
the characters/world/concept of the drawing would be fictional to me as they don't exist in our world, but the book and everything else is real, such as the characters/lines that make up the story/drawing.I'm gonna ask you this question to clear things up; What is fiction? Like let's say a drawing in a book is presented, would that be fiction to you?
nah, there's not enough to speak for 1-B, but maybe High 1-C can be applicable?Gonna need more than that.
He sees them as drawings, which is where the R-F difference comes fromIt is because of the fact that he literally sees the universe and everything as not real to him
I mean, thats blatantly not how things works here. We assume the Tier 1 being can affect Lower-D dudes by default, so its not an anti-feat for R-F differenceIn Instant death, although they are separated by dimensional differences, because it is fiction, they can still interact with each other. The only reason I'm typing is to show a difference between reality-fiction and geometric dimensions, a R-F fiction would see everything below him as fictional and not existing to him
Now tell me, How is seeing someone in a page as fiction; a 2 dimensional character drawing to a being outside it, existing in a dimension higher to point they are nothing but a fictional page in a book is not reality fiction difference.the characters/world/concept of the drawing would be fictional to me as they don't exist in our world, but the book and everything else is real, such as the characters/lines that make up the story/drawing.
How about this, if you were put inside the world of Superman, would you say that you can beat superman in a fist fight?I'm gonna ask you this question to clear things up; What is fiction? Like let's say a drawing in a book is presented, would that be fiction to you?
He sees everything as fiction, the concept/world as a fictional thing.He sees them as drawings, which is where the R-F difference comes from
because I see the world/story as fiction, a story, while I see the characters that make up the words as non-fictionNow tell me, How is seeing someone in a page as fiction; a 2 dimensional character drawing to a being outside it, existing in a dimension higher to point they are nothing but a fictional page in a book is not reality fiction difference.
Yes, because they are drawings from his perspectiveHe sees everything as fiction, the concept/world as a fictional thing.
Are you saying a drawing character in a page like a manga character isn't fiction?the character from the Abyss doesn't and only sees them as like a dot/character in a flat plane just as we 3d people see 2d objects, just that they are still real to us.
Obviously, I can literally draw Superman dying and he cannot defend against it, as I am a higher dimensional being to him, he is powerless against meHow about this, if you were put inside the world of Superman, would you say that you can beat superman in a fist fight?
the character from the Abyss doesn't and only sees them as like a dot/character in a flat plane just as we 3d people see 2d objects, just that they are still real to us.
yes you can because the concept of superman is fictional to you in the real/non-fictional world, but if you were put into the WORLD of Superman, then do you think you can fist fight him and win?Obviously, I can literally draw Superman dying and he cannot defend against it, as I am a higher dimensional being to him, he is powerless against me
Why does this even matter if ID case is a reality-fiction case?but if you were put into the WORLD of Superman, then do you think you can fist fight him and win?
How the **** is that relevant at all? Like that doesn't correlate to anything I just said.How about this, if you were put inside the world of Superman, would you say that you can beat superman in a fist fight?
What? What words? Define non-fiction here.because I see the world/story as fiction, a story, while I see the characters that make up the words as non-fiction
What the ****. Why are you making a big assumption than it is? why would characters (assuming you're referring to JP characters) be referring here? Can you prove that it's characters make up words and sentences rather than the characters in page?character can mean a being in a fictional world, or you know the characters that make up words and sentences