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Injustice: Revisions Amogus (Volume 1)
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Being quite litterally punched to space.
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The fact that Hercules punched him sohard he was projected in space
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Superman was not 'sundipped'. He merely used the sun to heal his injuries, as he held back against Wonder Woman and sustained massive injuries that weakened him against Hercules. It's the same thing with the Captain Atom fight (as in it weakened him, even the sun didn't straight up heal his injuries there).
If going into space was a substantial amp, he'd very handily win virtually all fights in the series (all the important ones, anyway), especially since many of them actually take place in space.
If going into space was a substantial amp, he'd very handily win virtually all fights in the series (all the important ones, anyway), especially since many of them actually take place in space.
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I'm not saying he held back; I'm saying Supes isn't remotely at the peak of his capabilities here and Hercules is oneshot when he starts doing that after being healed
After half the fight where he sustained grievous injuries? That's pretty shit reasoning my guy.
It's not at all solid scaling as I've said before and the flashback this issue even implies Diana's advantage would have to be in exploiting him holding back.
Hence my suggestion for a split tiering, Diana tier combatants can press Kryptonians but there's additional context to their feats (Such as exploiting Supes holding back or sparring against an inexperience Kara Zor El)
1) It's Hercules, the series uses his Latinized name, not his Greek one.
2) This is a weakened Supes getting BFR'd
3) Hercules "stomping both" makes no sense considering he is immediately murdered by Clark after the Shazam fight. I'm also not getting into how your interpretation implies Shazam > Superman which is demonstrably false.
I thought the same; I'm commenting on the other user claiming Supes was amped here which obviously isn't the case
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We also have no idea if sunlight amps in the Super Saiyan manner in Injustice; only that it sustains his powers and allows him to heal.
I wouldn't say equal at all; I do think Hercules is probably the closest to Superman tier along with Shaz and Adam though.
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Um, a question. Do we accept video game feats? We used to have 'em at large planet, but then it was removed cause it's from the video game
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Yes but no
Video game stuff can be used for scaling and powers but we can't use supermoves; the idea being they ignore the scale the comics work under and the moves likely aren't intended to be canon
Zod (who had the 5-A) is also nothing like his comic self
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Yeah, that's the same thing for MK and the Cetrion feat
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Pretty much that. I probably explained myself a bit badly but while I don't think Hercules > Supes (because...well, look at the comics), I don't think Supes completely curbstomps him so yes he's pretty close and should be noted as that
About Shazam...I just feel his death was forced so that Flash would leave the Regime and to show Superman was beyond saving. Seriously, this death is ridiculous. Even with his mouth covered, he could have got away with his strength at least for a bit and blast him with lightning (the lightning of ZEUS). Really, this death was just "Hey, let's kill off a child so we make Supes truly evil and show he's just a villain now".
Also, what tier would Poseidon be for his wave? I also kind of remember Apollo trading blows with Cyborg for a moment but I'm not sure
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Thank god the injustice move just had him leave. That's one good thing the movie did
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He IS, because, as you just said, he was healed.
doesn't change the fact that "he held back" is irrelevant past this point
I mean yeah, who's trying to argue that diana is stronger?
the opponent being wounded never prevent scaling from winning against them.
meh
it's not, he was just healed by cyborg. And it wasn't only the BFR, hercules was also overpowering both diana and superman
"superman was weakened even though he was healed, but hercules right after losing the fight and giving up on defending himself? Nah". Plus, again, it was a charge from space. Of course it's stronger than a regular punch.
why? Seems to be the fairest assumption since hercules was totally overpowering him before that.
proof that it does not? There's no reason to assume that sundipping to buff his stat isn't possible anymore when sundipping in itself is still a thing.
he took no damage and bfr'd superman to space, heavily wounding him with a single punch, arguably knocking him out.
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iirc it was a last minute change. He was supposed to be in his human form but it was too gore
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That's would've been worse. My god
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But would have been less insulting and more logical
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So we have the tiers, we have speed I guess, what's left to deal with now?
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What part of Injustice isn't forced, in some shape or manner? lol
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It does when the character in question has the best feats in the series, oneshots people he fights without being weakened and also is stated as only able to be killed by Diana specifically because of exploiting flaws like fatigue and holding back.
Way to strawman, my point is Supes isn't at his peak and this is demonstrated by basic scaling
It's clearly not magnitudes above his normal strikes though because if so why would he not just do that and oneshot everyone?
How was he totally overpowered here?
Not how this works; you made the claim sundipping enhances it, you back it up.
There's never any statements that Supes grows in magnitudes thanks to solar energy like that
Congratulations; you showed a badly injured and fatigued Supes getting BFR'd. How exactly does that mean Hercules is stronger? Hercules is also clearly being staggered here and his face implies he's being hurt by this or at the very least putting a large amount of rage/effort behind his strike
he took no damage and bfr'd superman to space, heavily wounding him with a single punch, arguably knocking him out.
Also shrink your goddamn images; this bothers me so much on the forums.
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I'm thinking we can calculate the speed feats above for the metas and maybe have Supes and co at FTL or some variation therof
Once again why can't we just leave that as "6-C, likely High 6-C?"
Having an outright High 6-C implies the gap is far closer then that
I'm fine with it tbh
Prolly Tier 7
I think that could scale him based off Apollo fighting Leaguers but I can't remember who Apollo meaningfully fights (I know he hurts Supes with a magic arrow tho)
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Keep in mind, those speed feats are just from like the first half of Year 5. I looked through spin-offs like Year Zero for more, but the most substantial thing I found is Jay Garrick (who's about as fast as the Flash) very easily avoiding a bullet from point-blank range.
On another note, a problem that I've always had with Marvel and DC profiles is that a lot of heroes are slower in atmosphere. It's blatantly the case in Injustice.
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Are there any noteworthy speed feats for the weaker characters that don't take super pills?
I guess we could use this since it's a common feat
I guess we could use this since it's a common feat
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There's no actual timeframe, but I'll look into it.
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I mean, THIS in particular was forced even compared to Injustice
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I never said that he should be straight up High 6-C, just that he wasn't that weaker than Diana or Supes. I'm fine with the 6-C, likely High 6-C idea
He should be tier 6 to honestly, not straight-up High 6-C (and certainly not scale to Zeus) but he shouldn't be that much weaker than other characters
Apollo exchanges strikes with Cyborg ate one point if I remember correctly
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and hercules is affected by that because?
... why? Shazam also scales above black adam who scales above superman. and what are his counter feats? That one outlier in the game?
ah yes, I wonder why he wouldn't go to space in the middle of a fight when his opponent can also fly, it can be dodged and it takes time to do.
his punches did nothing and heracles took care of him and diana almost instantly?
how can you miss the part where superman was healed. I sent the scans like twice
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Why being sorry, as you said it's in the title
Oh I don't deny that, it's just that I don't think Poseidon should be THAT weaker than other characters, especially since basically everyone else would be tier 6 (aside from human characters) so putting him at tier 7 would be very weird
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Black Adam is not above Superman. He's generally about on par with him (regardless of whether or not Supes actually does hold back).
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So the characters equal to Supes are: Black Adam, Doomsday, Supergirl, Darkseid, Batman with green armor and partially Diana
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I don't really think he's stronger he's stronger either but he's definitely really close
About that, where does Sinestro fit in all that? Obviously weaker than Supes but stronger than many other characters I believe
About that, where does Sinestro fit in all that? Obviously weaker than Supes but stronger than many other characters I believe
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Laughs in Hawkgirl
But yeah he’s definitely low on the pecking order
Yeah he’s pretty much relative to Supes, that much is relatively clear
He is decently weaker based off his A.M.A.Z.O performance tho (maybe he can get split tiering?)
Sinestro lowkey fodder
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List of characters by tier for now. That would give us (discounting Trigon and Mxz):
Special tier: 5-A for YL Supes (I think that was what was calculated for the Mogo feat)
- At least High 6-C, likely higher/far higher: Zeus (The only one to qualify, aside maybe from Highfather if we decide to keep his profile)
- High 6-C: Superman and comparable characters (Darkseid, Doomsday, Supergirl, Black Adam, Batman with green armor, Diana)
- At least 6-C, likely High 6-C: "Normal" superhuman characters (Cyborg, Hawkman, GL/YL, Sinestro, etc)
- 9-B for human characters, variations of 6-C for when they take pills depending on each character's feats
Special tier: 5-A for YL Supes (I think that was what was calculated for the Mogo feat)
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