Injustice: Revisions Amogus (Volume 1)

[ArkhamDC06]

The only problem with that is Diana for me

Yeah she’s not laughably inferior but she’s overpowered by an empowered Ares who in turn gets dropped by Supes so we should note the gap is solidly sized

Ares is a particular case honestly due to his empowerment. He can be weaker than Aquaman just as he can be stronger than an army of Kryptonians. Btw, I think he should get a "potentially higher via Empowerment" mention for his tier. Anyway, Diana should scale honestly, like you said she's not utterly inferior, plus, even if he was probably restraining himself, she very nearly killed Supes in their context duel when forced by Zeus to fight him.

 

[TypeOU]

MCU Stomps. High 6-B upgrade coming

that's for the eternals right? Because if so, pretty sure no one scales to them.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

that's for the eternals right? Because if so, pretty sure no one scales to them.

I think it scaled to the high tiers and not only the Eternals

SomethingaboutThanoscrushingtheTesseract

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

that's for the eternals right? Because if so, pretty sure no one scales to them.

Exernals are 6-C. So no.

Although prepare for the possibility of High 6-A MCU but let's not derail

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Exernals are 6-C. So no.

Although prepare for the possibility of High 6-A MCU but let's not derail

High 6-A?

 

[TypeOU]

Exernals are 6-C. So no.

Although prepare for the possibility of High 6-A MCU but let's not derail

That's actually good. Thought I heard they would scale to tiamut

 

[Hellbeast]

Etrigan does

I’m fairness that could be magic

Injustice Supes plays up the weakness (he needs the Ring to enter the Tower of Fate)

 

[Starbrand_Fan]

Exernals are 6-C. So no.

Although prepare for the possibility of High 6-A MCU but let's not derail

Who the **** are the Exernals?

 

[Dark-Carioca]

If we do count that scuffle with Etrigan, then we should take into account that Zeus and the others should be just as strong as YL Superman if not stronger

 

[RanaProGamer]

If we do count that scuffle with Etrigan, then we should take into account that Zeus and the others should be just as strong as YL Superman if not stronger

Which makes sense honestly, since pretty much no one else scales

 

[ArkhamDC06]

I’m fairness that could be magic

Injustice Supes plays up the weakness (he needs the Ring to enter the Tower of Fate)

Nah, Etrigan directly attacks him physically and nothing indicates this is due to Magic, just raw physical strength. Not being able to enter the Tower is also likely simply a consequence of it being protected by enchantements and not by some weakness from Supes

 

[ArkhamDC06]

If we do count that scuffle with Etrigan, then we should take into account that Zeus and the others should be just as strong as YL Superman if not stronger

just as strong as YL Superman if not stronger

Hum friendly reminder Zeus bitch slapped Supes into submission with an absolutely casual gesture. Zeus is CLEARLY way above Supes

 

[Dark-Carioca]

Hum friendly reminder Zeus bitch slapped Supes into submission with an absolutely casual gesture. Zeus is CLEARLY way above Supes

He's way stronger than regular Supes. The gap between regular and YL Supes is enormous but Zeus should probably still be above that.

 

[ByAsura]

If we can't say it for certain, we can't put it on the profiles.

For now, the only ones we can confirm are Etrigan, Trigon and Mxy, the latter of whom are via scaling above Etrigan.

 

[Hellbeast]

For now, the only ones we can confirm are Etrigan, Trigon and Mxy, the latter of whom are via scaling above Etrigan.

Didn’t Supes tank a hit from Mxy?

 

[ByAsura]

Mxy is a 5-D imp. If he took a hit from him, he was clearly playing around.

 

[Hellbeast]

If we do count that scuffle with Etrigan, then we should take into account that Zeus and the others should be just as strong as YL Superman if not stronger

I am curious who these others would be tho

Mxy is a 5-D imp. If he took a hit from him, he was clearly playing around.

I mean does Mxy’s higher dimensionality translate to power here?

His next best feat is sending the Stranger through Saturn’s moon

 

[ByAsura]

Yes, it absolutely does. This is not Injustice Mxy, this is the same guy as the mainline comics and that we've seen across every universe.

If he didn't turn Superman's DNA into spaghetti, he's holding back.

And then he proceeds to one-shot the Stranger and obliterate Mimas, showing that the feat was casual.

 

[Hellbeast]

Yes, it absolutely does. This is not Injustice Mxy, this is the same guy as the mainline comics and that we've seen across every universe.

Wait so this would imply Tier 1 Mxy is a thing?

If so that needs it’s own thread (as was planned)

 

[ByAsura]

He already is.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

He's way stronger than regular Supes. The gap between regular and YL Supes is enormous but Zeus should probably still be above that.

Oh ok, thought you were talking about regular Supes

 

[Hellbeast]

He already is.

I'm clearly referring to how we treat his Injustice appaearance and not his main page
Again I'd leave that talk to it's own thread; we already have to determine the tiering for 99% of the verse going forward which is a huge amount of work.

Absolutely no purpose in also discussing how we treat the multiversal canon of Mr. Mxy in the middle of that

 

[ArkhamDC06]

I'm clearly referring to how we treat his Injustice appaearance and not his main page
Again I'd leave that talk to it's own thread; we already have to determine the tiering for 99% of the verse going forward which is a huge amount of work.

Absolutely no purpose in also discussing how we treat the multiversal canon of Mr. Mxy in the middle of that

Yeah, I think we should take care of the properly Injustice stuff first and then with Mxz and Trigon, the whole it's the same guy from the comics stuff will probably need it's own thread

About that, haven't red the comics in a long time now, do we have something to compare Zeus with YL Supes?

 

[ByAsura]

I'm clearly referring to how we treat his Injustice appaearance and not his main page
Again I'd leave that talk to it's own thread; we already have to determine the tiering for 99% of the verse going forward which is a huge amount of work.

Absolutely no purpose in also discussing how we treat the multiversal canon of Mr. Mxy in the middle of that

There is a purpose, it's called Trigon.

Anyway, we've discussed this earlier in this thread, which is what I meant. This version of Mxy in this comic refers to versions of himself and Superman across the multiverse, so he's a 5-D imp that transcends space-time and the same one that we've seen throughout the main-line comics.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

There is a purpose, it's called Trigon.

Anyway, we've discussed this earlier, which is what I meant. This version of Mxy in this comic refers to versions of himself and Superman across the multiverse, so he's a 5-D imp that transcends space-time and the same one that we've seen throughout the comics.

The "problem" is not exactly to know if he's the same character from the comics or just a specific version from Injustice (I personnally believe it's the same guy for the record, I mean...it's Mxz we're talking about), the problem is we would have Tier 1 Mxz and Trigon when anyone else would be tier 6 or 5 and it can very hard to get accepted, hence why we would need a thread to make sure the whole thing is accepted (unless we make other people come here, read this and accept it immediatly)

 

[Hellbeast]

There is a purpose, it's called Trigon.

And that purpose is going to have it's own thread because we're not debating this on top of most of the verse
Please wait for that thread before going further, it's a huge topic and we need to have that as a separate topic rather then in a thread where it's not mentioned in OP and wasn't even intended as part of the revision

Please drop the topic for now and let that go for everyone here

Yeah, I think we should take care of the properly Injustice stuff first and then with Mxz and Trigon, the whole it's the same guy from the comics stuff will probably need it's own thread

Definitely; we have very interesting rules with weird inter-continuity crossovers.

About that, haven't red the comics in a long time now, do we have something to compare Zeus with YL Supes?

Not that I recall, he kinda just is laughably above Supes in base

 

[ByAsura]

We don't need to prove it, it's really just a fact that they're the same.

Also, the only things Tier 6s have done to Trigon is make him blink.

 

[Hellbeast]

Drop it and get back on topic

 

[ByAsura]

We already discussed it earlier. It's already done and dusted.

Now that this is resolved, what else is there to actually discuss?

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Also, the only things Tier 6s have done to Trigon is make him blink.

I mean, it's Trigon we're talking about, would have been stupid to show them doing more than that (and I already have all the difficulties in the world to accept a mere alien, Kryptonian or not, can defeat the God of War when he's at his peak)

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Not that I recall

S***. Would have loved to have him superior to YL Supes

he kinda just is laughably above Supes in base

Yeah well, he's frickin Zeus, would have been absurd to make Supes anywhere comparable to him

 

[ByAsura]

I mean, it's Trigon we're talking about, would have been stupid to show them doing more than that (and I already have all the difficulties in the world to accept a mere alien, Kryptonian or not, can defeat the God of War when he's at his peak)

Which only supports my point, if anything. The guy could slaughter the world if he really gets out of Hell.

The problem with Ares is that he's kind of never at his peak when the JL are around.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Now that this is resolved, what else is there to actually discuss?

Deciding who corresponds to wich tier on a more precise degree?

About that, what would be the tier of the other gods (Ares, Hermes, Apollo, Hera, Poseidon, Hercules)?

 

[ByAsura]

Zeus vaporized pill-amped Harley, IIRC, so Large Island level, likely far higher.

Tbh, even Ganthet and Mogo have better feats than these gods.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

The problem with Ares is that he's kind of never at his peak when the JL are around.

Didn't we have a statement that he was at his peak in the earliest stages of the comics and he was defeated at that exact time?

But yeah, his empowerment is tricky cause he could get stronger even at his "peak"

 

[Hellbeast]

We already discussed it earlier. It's already done and dusted.

That is nowhere near enough discussion but dang it its done

Now that this is resolved, what else is there to actually discuss?

• Speed for the verse
• Lifting Strength
• Where exactly everyone should scale (especially problematic characters like Cheetah and Cyborg)

I mean, it's Trigon we're talking about, would have been stupid to show them doing more than that (and I already have all the difficulties in the world to accept a mere alien, Kryptonian or not, can defeat the God of War when he's at his peak)

Which only supports my point, if anything. The guy could slaughter the world if he really gets out of Hell.

The problem with Ares is that he's kind of never at his peak when the JL are around.

I am once again asking you both to drop the Trigon/Mxy topic
Do not post about this topic again

Deciding who corresponds to wich tier on a more precise degree?

About that, what would be the tier of the other gods (Ares, Hermes, Apollo, Hera, Poseidon, Hercules)?

Hermes and Hercules are simple enough. Hermes is Flash level (roughly) and Hercules is likely just stronger then Diana but not as strong as Clark by a long stretch (So he'd be easily Large Island)
Apollo is weird tho since it's piercing and disease hax

 

[ByAsura]

Didn't we have a statement that he was at his peak in the earliest stages of the comics and he was defeated at that exact time?

But yeah, his empowerment is tricky cause he could get stronger even at his "peak"

Scan?

 

[Hellbeast]

Didn't we have a statement that he was at his peak in the earliest stages of the comics and he was defeated at that exact time?

Yes; it's the issue where Diana calls him God of Ponies. He gets the ***** and ovrpowers her (he even claims he is at the peak of his abilities here)

But yeah, his empowerment is tricky cause he could get stronger even at his "peak"

TBH he's part of the reason I want certain characters to be split between backscaling from Supes and their own feats.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Zeus vaporized pill-amped Harley, IIRC, so Large Island level, likely far higher.

I would say "At least Large Island level, likely far higher" since he vaporized her with a thought and humiliated based Supes like he was nothing so he's vastly above both of them (and Supes is going to be "At least Large Island level")

Tbh, even Ganthet and Mogo have better feats than these gods.

Yeah, kinda sad about it. Then again, I think it would have been tricky to make them really duke it out, especially Zeus, they could have had ended everything in seconds if they wanted

 

[Hellbeast]

I would say "At least Large Island level, likely far higher" since he vaporized her with a thought and humiliated based Supes like he was nothing so he's vastly above both of them (and Supes is going to be "At least Large Island level")

Yeah this works

Yeah, kinda sad about it. Then again, I think it would have been tricky to make them really duke it out, especially Zeus, they could have had ended everything in seconds if they wanted

TBH you could scale Zeus to Mogo but I have no idea how well Supes endures his blasts