Injustice: Revisions Amogus (Volume 1)

[ByAsura]

He doesn't seem that deterred given his expression.

Supes even gets up straight after a less casual attack.

So this doesn't seem to warrant likely higher. Maybe an at least.

It's also worth noting how he talks down to Poseidon, so I can add that to his AP.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Speed Force or just straight up skills? Or both?

 

[ArkhamDC06]

He doesn't seem that deterred given his expression.

Supes even gets up straight after a less casual attack.

Even then he was put intro submission with a backhand and kneeling on the ground without attempting to hit him again so it's fair to say Zeus is stronger

 

[ByAsura]

I'm not saying he isn't stronger, I'm just saying he shouldn't get a likely higher for this.

 

[Hellbeast]

At the most you could say Zeus and Supes are relative but Zeus is slightly stronger which I think does work
He could definitely lose the Likely Higher tho

 

[ArkhamDC06]

I'm not saying he isn't stronger, I'm just saying he shouldn't get a likely higher for this.

Actually said I agreed with removing the likely higher part so no big deal for me

 

[ArkhamDC06]

At the most you could say Zeus and Supes are relative but Zeus is slightly stronger which I think does work
He could definitely lose the Likely Higher tho

I would just say stronger and not put the slightly but yeah that works

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Also we can keep the can't touch him statement but put it in his ability list for intangibility I believe

 

[Hellbeast]

Yeah it'd be intangibility definitely

 

[Antvasima]

So should we consider Zeus as superior to Darkseid and Highfather then?

 

[Hellbeast]

I'd say possibly but they'd likely all be relative anyway
It's possible Highfather is slightly weaker but could still put up a fight against Zeus

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. It still seems weird to me that Superman < Zeus = Highfather = Darkseid = Superman. It is a does not compute scenario when it comes from the exact same writer.

 

[Hellbeast]

Who's saying Superman is > Zeus
It's Zeus>/= Supes = Darkseid = Highfather

 

[Antvasima]

That is not what I said above. Please check again.

 

[PapiSavitar5025]

Also the comic in question is Year Four #20
Zeus is intangible and sends Supes to his knees with a backhand and then drops him, Diana and Bruce with a thunderbolt
In fairness Supes does fly off to Apokalips in the next issue but I think it's fair to say Supes isn't equal to Zeus

If there is a difference, it's fair to say that it's not all that much. All of the evidence points to Superman literally being unable to harm Zeus, like imagine how the Darkseid vs Superman fight would've gone if Darkseid had some of Zeus' powers. Superman swipes through him, and Darkseid bats him across the castle, sure Superman can take many hits from Darkseid, but without being able to hurt him it's a lost battle.

 

[Hellbeast]

Okay. It still seems weird to me that Superman < Zeus = Highfather = Darkseid = Superman. It is a does not compute scenario when it comes from the exact same writer.

If there is a difference, it's fair to say that it's not all that much. All of the evidence points to Superman literally being unable to harm Zeus, like imagine how the Darkseid vs Superman fight would've gone if Darkseid had some of Zeus' powers. Superman swipes through him, and Darkseid bats him across the castle, sure Superman can take many hits from Darkseid, but without being able to hurt him it's a lost battle.

Regardless we aren't treating Supes as more then slightly inferior to Zeus and if anything they're mostly relative by current scaling

 

[Antvasima]

If there is a difference, it's fair to say that it's not all that much. All of the evidence points to Superman literally being unable to harm Zeus, like imagine how the Darkseid vs Superman fight would've gone if Darkseid had some of Zeus' powers. Superman swipes through him, and Darkseid bats him across the castle, sure Superman can take many hits from Darkseid, but without being able to hurt him it's a lost battle.

Yes, Darkseid would likely have an easier time against Zeus, due to manipulating the Omega Effect, whereas Zeus can turn intangible to Superman if he wants to.

Regardless we aren't treating Supes as more then slightly inferior to Zeus and if anything they're mostly relative by current scaling

Okay. Never mind then.

 

[PapiSavitar5025]

Should we treat Zeus as equals, or slightly higher than Superman? Highfather and Darkseid are supposed equals, and the battle between them would have likely killed them both.

 

[Hellbeast]

See I'm unsure if Darkseid is = Highfather in this continuity
I can definitely buy them all being roughly relative to each other tho (Even if one is slightly stronger then the other)

 

[Antvasima]

If Zeus is at best equal to Highfather, who is equal to Darkseid, who is equal to Superman, I think that it seems safest to simply consider Zeus to have an edge against Superman due to hax.

 

[Antvasima]

See I'm unsure if Darkseid is = Highfather in this continuity
I can definitely buy them all being roughly relative to each other tho (Even if one is slightly stronger then the other)

Are you certain? Traditionally Darkseid has been portrayed as equal to or slightly stronger than Highfather.

 

[Hellbeast]

I've read the entire Injustice run
Highfather's only scaling is to Zeus
He's never even acknowledged beyond Year Four stuff. What is the case in other continuities may well not be the case in this one and that's why we go case by case

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. What do the rest of you think?

 

[PapiSavitar5025]

If that's Highfather's only scaling then there's not really much to say. New Genesis and Apokolips are, traditionally, and always enemies, but I know how much this site doesn't like to speculate. The best we can do is just say Zeus is slightly stronger, but without a prolonged exposure and seeing how much Superman would harm Zeus if physically struck, yeah I'm really not sure.

 

[PapiSavitar5025]

Is there anything left to do here?

 

[Hellbeast]

Nah we’re done
I’m making a thread for speed and street levels after

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Should I close this thread then?

 

[Hellbeast]

I’d say so

 

[PapiSavitar5025]

Are we allowed to make threads that are just- a revision of the entire Verse in general? What needs to be changed and what-not?

 

[Hellbeast]

I’m planning to cover general stuff in my next three but if it doesn’t cover my stuff you can

 

[Antvasima]

I will close this thread then. Thank you to everybody who helped out here.