Injustice: Revisions Amogus (Volume 1)

[ByAsura]

Injustice games are really bad with scaling. It's anything for the plot to progress depending on whose story it is, such as Sinestro manhandling WW.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Yeah, true

S***, I forgot to put Amazo in the High 6-C bunch again

What would be the tier of magicians like Constantine or Zatanna? For Constantine, there's Raven but I don't know what tier she should be (considering she's fully embraced her father's influence and doesn't hold back)

 

[ByAsura]

@Hellbeast Would this count as a space feat?

 

[Hellbeast]

@Hellbeast Would this count as a space feat?

Possibly

Yeah, true

S***, I forgot to put Amazo in the High 6-C bunch again

Smh

What would be the tier of magicians like Constantine or Zatanna? For Constantine, there's Raven but I don't know what tier she should be (considering she's fully embraced her father's influence and doesn't hold back)

Constantine could be Unknown since I don’t really remember a lot of crazy feats for him that aren’t hax

No idea about Fate though

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Constantine could be Unknown since I don’t really remember a lot of crazy feats for him that aren’t hax

He managed to overpower and restrain Raven so there's that

No idea about Fate though

Fate could fight Superman and Batman so given his general power he should be able to scale to Supes

 

[Hellbeast]

He managed to overpower and restrain Raven so there's that

What does Raven do again?

Fate could fight Superman and Batman so given his general power he should be able to scale to Supes

Would that apply to just power or physicals tho?

 

[ArkhamDC06]

What does Raven do again?

Haven't to read the comics again but we just see her restrained won the ground from what I remember. She does try to get released but his Magic is too strong for her

Would that apply to just power or physicals tho?

Both since Kelson's body is imbued with magical energy and makes him superhuman and he uses both physical strikes and powers in battle

 

[Hellbeast]

Haven't to read the comics again but we just see her restrained won the ground from what I remember. She does try to get released but his Magic is too strong for her

Actually I think we see the fight in the Annual, let me check

Both since Kelson's body is imbued with magical energy and makes him superhuman and he uses both physical strikes and powers in battle

Hmm so could that just make him High 6-C?

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Actually I think we see the fight in the Annual, let me check

Alright

Hmm so could that just make him High 6-C?

Yep

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Anything new there?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Bump.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Bump.

You profile pic perfectly represents the current situation for us

 

[Hellbeast]

Yeah so I reread the fight in the Year 3 Annual
It's mostly just John restraining her via hax so they'd likely just be unknown

I think Raven KO's someone in game but that's it

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Yeah so I reread the fight in the Year 3 Annual
It's mostly just John restraining her via hax so they'd likely just be unknown

I think Raven KO's someone in game but that's it

Wouldn't it be possible to scale him to her even then on the account that his Magic is strong enough to restrain her and her own power isn't enough to break free wich would basically his Magic is stronger than hers, even if not necessarily by a large margin?

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Also, aside from the Trigon and Mxyz stuff, is there anything left in particular to handle or we can move a bit foward?

 

[Hellbeast]

Wouldn't it be possible to scale him to her even then on the account that his Magic is strong enough to restrain her and her own power isn't enough to break free wich would basically his Magic is stronger than hers, even if not necessarily by a large margin?

Possibly, it depends on whether or not the energy ball is universally applicable with her other magic

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Possibly, it depends on whether or not the energy ball is universally applicable with her other magic

We should what her other feats of Magic are then, to see if it's consistent

 

[Hellbeast]

That's kinda the thing
Most of the magic stuff is in terms of hax (like Raven blacking out the world) rather then in direct power so I don't know how well we can gauge her

Like she's shown being defeated by Batman and doesn't have any real concrete feats so I think her and John deserve an Unknown rating

Also has anyone done the speed calcs yet?

 

[ByAsura]

I'm doing calculations for another verse, so I'd appreciate it if someone else could do it. Maybe ask Spino or people in the request thread (I'd just ask Spino directly, you're not liable to get an answer from the thread anymore).

 

[ArkhamDC06]

That's kinda the thing
Most of the magic stuff is in terms of hax (like Raven blacking out the world) rather then in direct power so I don't know how well we can gauge her

Like she's shown being defeated by Batman and doesn't have any real concrete feats so I think her and John deserve an Unknown rating

Also has anyone done the speed calcs yet?

Maybe we can use Energy Projection feats to see who she's capable of hurting?

 

[Hellbeast]

I'm doing calculations for another verse, so I'd appreciate it if someone else could do it. Maybe ask Spino or people in the request thread (I'd just ask Spino directly, you're not liable to get an answer from the thread anymore).

I can ask Spino a bit later and I might try my hand at a few of the calcs for movement speed if all g

Maybe we can use Energy Projection feats to see who she's capable of hurting?

Maybe; I'm not sure what she has though

 

[Starbrand_Fan]

Like she's shown being defeated by Batman

PIS. Injustice has a lot of that

 

[ArkhamDC06]

PIS. Injustice has a lot of that

Definitely

 

[Hellbeast]

PIS. Injustice has a lot of that

I mean not really
PIS implies it’s inconsistent with her established range of feats but we have nothing else to go off of here

Like yeah Bruce bearing Yellow Lantern like that makes no sense but only because he has feats showing a discrepancy in power. Raven has no other feats I can recall so we can’t just wave it away

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Do we have a feat for her at least?

 

[Confluctor]

Sorry for being lazy, but does anyone have a tl;Dr for their tiers? Only the top ones like supes

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Sorry for being lazy, but does anyone have for their tiers? Only the top ones like supes

"a tl;Dr" wut?

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

"a tl;Dr" wut?

“Too long; didn’t read” they’re asking for a summary of what the conclusions were

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Oh ok, didn't understood that

 

[Hellbeast]

So far the consenus seems that its 6-C for the average heroes but with High 6-C for the Supes tiers and those not far from them like WW

 

[ByAsura]

Top tiers are more like Zeus and the Olympians.

 

[Hellbeast]

TBH I'd class Zeus as a god tier rather then a top tier
Most of the Olympians are also lower on the rung unless you mean Prime Ares and Hercules

 

[ByAsura]

I meant the higher Olympians.

 

[Hellbeast]

I meant the higher Olympians.

My point still stands tbh; Hercules is treated as their strongest and is < Supes with only Zeus being able to upscale from Supes

 

[ByAsura]

Don't Athena, Hades and Poseidon scale?

 

[Hellbeast]

Don't Athena

Athena doesn't appear in this comic iirc

Hades

Hades never appears and is only alluded to by Ares

and Poseidon scale?

Poseidon harms Diana but he is then soundly defeated by Posiedon which is partly why I think she should get a split tiering

 

[ByAsura]

Do you mean Aquaman?

Anyway, he had the advantage that entire fight, but Aquaman took him completely off guard.

 

[Hellbeast]

Yeah lol
TBH even if so it's clearly not a huge gap since Arthur could physically harm him with his blows

 

[ByAsura]

I guess so.

So it's just Zeus and Highfather (who's not an Olympian, but what's the difference).

Also, I saw the God Tiers as Mxy and Trigon, btw.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Zeus and Highfather would be "low" god tier since they're still above everyone else but weaker than Trigon and Mxz who are simply on a whole different level

The scaling should go like:

• At least High 6-C, likely higher for Zeus and Highfather
• High 6-C for Supes and equal characters (Doomsday, Darkseid, Kara, Batman in armor, etc)
• 6-C for average characters (GL for example)