Injustice: Revisions Amogus (Volume 1)

[ByAsura]

• Speed for the verse

There's a few hypersonic feats in atmosphere around the middle of Year 5.

• Lifting Strength

Class P to E, IIRC. Other characters like Wonder Woman should just downscale, and I'll try to find some more stuff.

I believe Wonder Woman was portrayed as moving a comparable amount of mass to Superman when she moved the Watchtower. I'll have to look into that.

• Where exactly everyone should scale (especially problematic characters like Cheetah and Cyborg)

My recommendation, just don't take them into account. They don't have any profiles or scaling, and a few profiles are definitely getting axed after this.

Although, Cyborg is a little weaker than Hawkman in one issue.

I would say "At least Large Island level, likely far higher" since he vaporized her with a thought and humiliated based Supes like he was nothing so he's vastly above both of them (and Supes is going to be "At least Large Island level")

I don't think Supes would get an at least (he's not that far above Wonder Woman or vaguely above her), but it's fine for Zeus.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Yeah this works

Ok good

TBH you could scale Zeus to Mogo

How would we scale him to Mogo though (or rather with what)?

I have no idea how well Supes endures his blasts

Considering Zeus literally bitch slapped him into submission with an absurdly casual gesture, I don't think Supes would be ok even after a casual blast

 

[Hellbeast]

There's a few hypersonic feats in atmosphere around the middle of Year 5.

For which characters exactly? Bizarro is a clone of Supes so he's likely = Superman as a god tier and Doomsday is likely the same

Class P to E, IIRC. Other characters like Wonder Woman should just downscale, and I'll try to find some more stuff.

Great! What about Arthur, Hal and others

believe Wonder Woman was portrayed as moving a comparable amount of mass to Superman when she moved the Watchtower. I'll have to look into that.

I can't recall it but hey that could work if you divide the weight

My recommendation, just don't take them into account. They don't have any profiles or scaling.

Cyborg can fight Poison Ivy and is smashed by Hawkman. Tons of characters also beat him down so yeah it does matter, especially since I plan to make more pages for the verse.
I also used examples; Deathstroke is an example of what I mean

I don't think Supes would get an at least (he's not that far above Wonder Woman or vaguely above her), but it's fine for Zeus.

He's definitely above her but yeah I don't think he gets an at least
I do think Diana and co should get a likely tho

 

[Hellbeast]

How would we scale him to Mogo though (or rather with what)?

I meant Ganthet; Supes iirc survives a blast or two from him and you could argue scaling based off how well he takes one or the other

Considering Zeus literally bitch slapped him into submission with an absurdly casual gesture, I don't think Supes would be ok even after a casual blast

I meant Ganthet's

 

[ArkhamDC06]

My recommendation, just don't take them into account. They don't have any profiles or scaling, and a few profiles are definitely getting axed after this.

Although, Cyborg is a little weaker than Hawkman in one issue.

Cyborg should get a profile honestly since he's particulary important, Cheetah can be put aside though

I don't think Supes would get an at least (he's not that far above Wonder Woman or vaguely above her), but it's fine for Zeus.

Alright

 

[ByAsura]

Wonder Woman, Hawk Girl, etc were moving at Hypersonic speeds. It's worth noting that Bizzaro outclassed all of them in this same moment and moved from Germany to America in what (IIRC) was seconds or minutes.

Hal contributed to a similar level as Superman, so around Supes and Wonder Woman.

If you make more pages, make sure they're cool and unique. Ivy and Hawkman are lame, but someone like Mogo or Ganthet could be pretty cool.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

I meant Ganthet; Supes iirc survives a blast or two from him and you could argue scaling based off how well he takes one or the other

I meant Ganthet's

Ah ok (for a second, you gave me hope Zeus would scale to YL Superman)

Yeah, that could work

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Deathstroke is an example of what I mean

Deathstroke is the weirdest shit in this verse. Guy gets taken down by Batman but defeats Wonder Woman with skills alone

 

[ArkhamDC06]

especially since I plan to make more pages for the verse.

Have any particular character in mind?

 

[ByAsura]

I'm collecting some speed/reaction feats. I'll post them soon.

 

[ByAsura]

• Doomsday falls from orbit in 4 minutes and 35 seconds. May not seem like a reaction feat, but he's able to see Superman and manipulate his fall to crush him.
• Doomsday punches Superman a considerable distance (even though Metropolis is famously close to Gotham) and leaps after him.
• Wonder Woman takes a little over 4 minutes and 35 seconds to fly from the Hall of Justice (in Washington) to Gotham.
• I forgot, but Wonder Woman wasn't actually stated to be Hypersonic, just everyone below her. The timeframe given also shows that they can cross continents in half an hour.
• In Year 5 #9, it takes a few panels for Superman to travel from Kansas to the Hall of Justice (1921.71767 km) while 2-minute timers are still going off. However, it could be as much as 27-ish minutes because Hal was still a few minutes out when Superman got there.
• Cyborg implies that Hawkgirl could travel half-way across the US in a relatively short period.
• Bizzaro moves as a blur to satellites.
• Superman travels from a completely different part of the world to the Fortress of Solitude during a short fight.
• The Flash saves Superman (he's around the Fortress) by running from Central City.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Well that looks good

 

[ByAsura]

How far apart are Themyscira and Atlantis?

 

[ArkhamDC06]

How far apart are Themyscira and Atlantis?

Don't know if that can help but according to the Injustice wiki, Atlantis is in the Atlantic Oceane and Themyscira is in the Bermuda Triangle

 

[ByAsura]

So 6,355 km.

 

[ByAsura]

I was asking because Poseidon shook Atlantis from Themyscira.

Doing a rough calculation, it's 61.0763274943 gigatons.

Mera could scale because (aside from Aquaman defeating him) Poseidon was generating these tremors with his tidal wave over Themyscira, and Mera held it back until he hit her.

Just for reference, Poseidon's tremors were still coming even after he halted the tidal wave.

 

[Hellbeast]

I was asking because Poseidon shook Atlantis from Themyscira.

Doing a rough calculation, it's 61.0763274943 gigatons.

Hmm if that's the case that would mean 6-C Aquaman tiers with High 6-C Supes tiers?
In that case Diana and others could be "6-C, likely High 6-C" which is dope

 

[ByAsura]

I'd still put Wonder Woman and Shazam as straight up Large Island level, if only for curbstomping Sinestro any time he doesn't shoot her in the back (or Hal's level in the video game).

 

[ByAsura]

As it turns out, that's the centre of the Atlantic. I'll have to try and find a more specific location for Atlantis.

 

[Hellbeast]

I'd still put Wonder Woman and Shazam as straight up Large Island level, if only for curbstomping Sinestro any time he doesn't shoot her in the back (or Hal's level in the video game).

I'm assuming the reasoning is the moon thing right?
I'm weird with that ngl; Sinestro is absolutely stomped by that and them being that tier implies the gap between them and Supes is negligible when that isn't really the case

 

[ByAsura]

Again, it's just Superman not using his absolute best power.

When he's not in a weakened state (aka, Hercules knocked him into the sun after he held back against Wonder Woman), he one-shot Hercules, who clowned Hal Jordan.

 

[Hellbeast]

Again, it's just Superman not using his absolute best power.

When he's not in a weakened state (aka, Hercules knocked him into the sun after he held back against Wonder Woman)

Like that BFR'd him but it clearly didn't do as much damage as I think you're implying

he one-shot Hercules, who clowned Hal Jordan.

Yes I know; my point is if Supes not using his best power is how these characters fight him, it's probably best to not scale them fully to him. I'm most in favour of thr Likely idea since it makes that the most apparent

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Hmm if that's the case that would mean 6-C Aquaman tiers with High 6-C Supes tiers?
In that case Diana and others could be "6-C, likely High 6-C" which is dope

Would Poseidon get "6-C, likely High 6-C" or straight up"High 6-C" then?

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Like that BFR'd him but it clearly didn't do as much damage as I think you're implying

Yes I know; my point is if Supes not using his best power is how these characters fight him, it's probably best to not scale them fully to him. I'm most in favour of thr Likely idea since it makes that the most apparent

Yeah, the only characters shown to be truly equal to Supes are Darkseid, Doomsday, the main Supes, Supergirl, Batman with his green armor and Brainiac (Brainiac might be a bit stronger perhaps)

 

[RanaProGamer]

I would suggest an 'At most' rating due to Supes even fighting Renee Montoya who took multiple pills and still couldn't do any lasting damage on Supes. Other members of the Insurgency take 2 pills max, and Supes choked out Luthor who we see taking 2 pills in the cutscenes.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

I would suggest an 'At most' rating due to Supes even fighting Renee Montoya who took multiple pills and still couldn't do any lasting damage on Supes. Other members of the Insurgency take 2 pills max, and Supes choked out Luthor who we see taking 2 pills in the cutscenes.

True

 

[ArkhamDC06]

I would honestly put Diana on a similar level than Superman, their fight in Year 4 has them ending it as completely bloody wrecks barely able to stand, she should be comparable to him

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Also, I was rewatching a couple of clips from the first game and noticed something. Injustice Supes is quite pale looking and Ares states there's little to conflict left to fuel his powers in any significant manner. Evidently, the High Councellor hasn't had to actually step out from his fortress and fight somebody, and because he doesn't get enough sun, he is weakened when fighting the main Supes. Don't think we're gonna use it in the profile but it's still an interesting detail to note

Also, am I the only one to find some of the renders for the profiles a bit...off? Or even ugly? Like, Black Adam's current pic is not exactly the best for me

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

Also, I was rewatching a couple of clips from the first game and noticed something. Injustice Supes is quite pale looking and Ares states there's little to conflict left to fuel his powers in any significant manner. Evidently, the High Councellor hasn't had to actually step out from his fortress and fight somebody, and because he doesn't get enough sun, he is weakened when fighting the main Supes. Don't think we're gonna use it in the profile but it's still an interesting detail to note

Also, am I the only one to find some of the renders for the profiles a bit...off? Or even ugly? Like, Black Adama's current pic is not exactly the best for me

Probably because it's the in-game model, rather than the official art

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Probably because it's the in-game model, rather than the official art

Yeah true

Just realized I wrote Black Adama lol

 

[RanaProGamer]

Also, I was rewatching a couple of clips from the first game and noticed something. Injustice Supes is quite pale looking and Ares states there's little to conflict left to fuel his powers in any significant manner. Evidently, the High Councellor hasn't had to actually step out from his fortress and fight somebody, and because he doesn't get enough sun, he is weakened when fighting the main Supes. Don't think we're gonna use it in the profile but it's still an interesting detail to note

Also, am I the only one to find some of the renders for the profiles a bit...off? Or even ugly? Like, Black Adama's current pic is not exactly the best for me

From what I read, it was cuz he was battle-weary, due to not facing any opponents on his level for so long, he had become somewhat weaker. Not sure about the sun, since he still had to go to space to destroy the Watchtower. At that point, it was more of Evil Supes who hadn't fought in a while fighting Main Supes who in the cutscenes was literally fighting powerhouses.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

From what I read, it was cuz he was battle-weary, due to not facing any opponents on his level for so long, he had become somewhat weaker. Not sure about the sun, since he still had to go to space to destroy the Watchtower. At that point, it was more of Evil Supes who hadn't fought in a while fighting Main Supes who in the cutscenes was literally fighting powerhouses.

Yeah, pretty much

 

[TypeOU]

aka, Hercules knocked him into the sun after he held back against Wonder Woman

there's still no correlation here, cyborg healed him and there's no indication that he held back against hercules. And he stopped holding back against WW at some point anyway. Heracles most definitively stomp superman (he 1v2 stomped him and wonder woman), and pretty much everyone in the cast beside shazam who stomp him back.

 

[ByAsura]

Like that BFR'd him but it clearly didn't do as much damage as I think you're implying

Yes I know; my point is if Supes not using his best power is how these characters fight him, it's probably best to not scale them fully to him. I'm most in favour of thr Likely idea since it makes that the most apparent

No, I meant that the sun healed him of the injuries he received against Wonder Woman and Hercules, allowing him to use his full power.

Which is why we’re scaling him above the Sinestro calculation and them too it. That’s the whole point.

 

[TypeOU]

scans for him being healed btw

and here's him using the very arm that should be broken against herc

 

[Dark-Carioca]

Oh ok, thought you were talking about regular Supes

Did you miss me saying YL Supes in my original post? xD

 

[ArkhamDC06]

scans for him being healed btw

and here's him using the very arm that should be broken against herc

The healing part is important but I don't think Hercules is that weak compared to Supes. Obviously, he didn't use all his strength in that first punch, he's expecting to win almost handily and underestimates them. Heck, one panel later, we see him punching Supes so hard he gets projected out of earth and Herc completeley demolishes Diana once he fights a bit more serious. And the healing part obviously empowered Clark to a degree, so obviously Herc is far from being that weaker than them, he should at least bit superior to Diana and relatively comparable to Supes

 

[TypeOU]

The healing part is important but I don't think Hercules is that weak compared to Supes. Obviously, he didn't use all his strength in that first punch, he's expecting to win almost handily and underestimates them. Heck, one panel later, we see him punching Supes so hard he gets projected out of earth and Herc completeley demolishes Diana once he fights a bit more serious. And the healing part obviously empowered Clark to a degree, so obviously Herc is far from being that weaker than them, he should at least bit superior to Diana and relatively comparable to Supes

that was definitively not my point. On the contrary, I'm trying to prove that hercules>>superman and wonder woman. He stomped them.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

that was definitively not my point. On the contrary, I'm trying to prove that hercules>>superman and wonder woman. He stomped them.

I would rather make them rather equal, Supes still ending up killing him after being fully healed and charged

 

[TypeOU]

I would rather make them rather equal, Supes still ending up killing him after being fully healed and charged

after sundipping, heracles lost a fight, gave up on defending himself AND with a full-power charge. He got stomped in the ""fair"" fight (and it was still a 2v1), so that should be used to compare their stats.