Infinite speed for DBS characters?

[GarrixianXD]

Yes, I know this debate has been going on for a long-ass while. It was stated multiple times that Jiren transcend all of time itself which means his powers are beyond the flow of time itself.

This is pretty much the scans I have since I'm too lazy to watch an entire 1 hour video. Anyways,
You can check it out if you'd like.

 

[Rikimarox2]

No.

 

[GarrixianXD]

No.

That was a very useful argument, thank you.

 

[Firestorm808]

To gain infinite speed one must overcome a time stop with pure speed.

 

[GarrixianXD]

It was stated Jiren transcended time and their speed was "Out-of-this dimension" which should place them far above MFTL+

 

[elhermanopadre]

To gain infinite speed one must overcome a time stop with pure speed.

What jiren did is a movement (distance, time= speed ) . Is power allows him to be able to move in stop time. The feat itself is both a strengh feat and movement speed.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

This has been discussed so many times and literally nothing is new. Transcending time does not grant infinite speed, only time stop resistance. Also, moving while time is stopped is not infinite speed, we only give it to those who naturally move faster than time can flow.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

"Out-of-this-dimension" ≠ "transcending this dimension".

 

[GarrixianXD]

What about the second scan?

 

[elhermanopadre]

Transcending should grant , Immeasurable speed bare minimum.

 

[elhermanopadre]

"Out-of-this-dimension" ≠ "transcending this dimension".

Out of this dimensions speed=Faster than this dimension (could also mean surpassing this realm with no space-time)

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Wasn't everyone watching their match?. Also, time was still going down wasn't it?.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Hax resistance.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Wasn't everyone watching their match?. Also, time was still going down wasn't it?.

If everybody was able to perceive their match, even though they’re not on their level of power, then everybody got infinite speed with no supporting evidence on how they were able to get it.

 

[SamanPatou]

And the timer was still going on

 

[elhermanopadre]

Wasn't everyone watching their match?. Also, time was still going down wasn't it?.

If everybody was able to perceive their match, even though they’re not on their level of power, then everybody got infinite speed with no supporting evidence on how they were able to get it.

Or they can perceive faster than you think. Not to mention this would be very strange since they were other characters who could not see jiren's movement or ui goku (when jiren used infinity rush and ui dodge atks so fast Gohan couldn't see him or sense him move).

 

[JirensMom]

what is this .-.

 

[ElixirBlue]

I’m going to step back for a bit and let the other dragon ball supporters discuss this.

 

[Rikimarox2]

what is this .-.

Heresy.

 

[KingTempest]

The first video looks like Jiren is deadass just overcoming an ability. "Time" in this context refers to time based abilities like Guldo & Hit and such.
Nothing in that instance shows transcending time, unless someone who doesn't get burned by fire transcends all heat.

The picture, no. The Narrator for DBS imo shouldn't be taken at face value. He was the same one saying Beerus was 70% against SSG Goku. Not including the fact that they still had that entire fight under a 45 minute time span, so that doesn't make sense.

 

[ZetaMarishi]

You might be able to make arguments for DBH Infinite speed, but DBS isn't there yet (and probably will never be, truth be told). Jiren was beyond Hit's time hax, that's what they were referring to.

They were literally still constrained by the time limit which shouldn't be the case if they were beyond time in the style of what this CRT is implying.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Transcending should grant , Immeasurable speed bare minimum.

Since we could measure their speed from a 45 minute time limit that kept going, it definitely wouldn’t be immeasurable or infinite.

 

[elhermanopadre]

The first video looks like Jiren is deadass just overcoming an ability. "Time" in this context refers to time based abilities like Guldo & Hit and such.
Nothing in that instance shows transcending time, unless someone who doesn't get burned by fire transcends all heat.

The picture, no. The Narrator for DBS imo shouldn't be taken at face value. He was the same one saying Beerus was 70% against SSG Goku. Not including the fact that they still had that entire fight under a 45 minute time span, so that doesn't make sense.

It doesn't necessarly have to show , it it could mean that him transcending time is why he can resist time stops.

By your logic , every fights that takes place in fiction with characters having infinite speed would have to ended and basiclly narated , also just because they narrator says beerus used 70% doesn't mean he wasn't right about other statements and it would only mean that they didn't want to spoil that beerus wasn't holding back that much before the fight ends.

 

[ChocomilkAlex]

It's hax resistance, not immesurable speed.

 

[ElixirBlue]

“it could mean transcending time” countered by “45 minute time limit that didn’t stop”

 

[elhermanopadre]

Since we could measure their speed from a 45 minute time limit that kept going, it definitely wouldn’t be immeasurable or infinite.

Could you see their movements or calcs their true speed while moving at infinite/immeasurable levels?

So by that logic, anyone in the fiction who was rated to have infinite speed and beyond and doesn't end the fight instantly would all be downgraded

It's hax resistance, not immesurable speed.

It's both.

“it could mean transcending time” countered by “45 minute time limit that didn’t stop”

It would simply mean they have the speed capacity to do so.

 

[KingTempest]

It doesn't necessarly have to show , it it could mean that him transcending time is why he can resist time stops.

By your logic , every fights that takes place in fiction with characters having infinite speed would have to ended and basiclly narated , also just because they narrator says beerus used 70% doesn't mean he wasn't right about other statements and it would only mean that they didn't want to spoil that beerus wasn't holding back that much before the fight ends.

If he transcended time he wouldn't be put in the predicament in the first place. We see during every time skip, Jiren was frozen. We see that Jiren was being held by the ability for a good amount of time.

Nope, Narrators are used for 2 things. #1 Describing what was/is/will be taking place with visually shown evidence to back it up, and #2 to hype things up. It's like in HxH when the Narrator (best Narrator of all anime/manga) said Meruem's en was lighting up the place, then everything went bright.
The Narrator says at 41:53 "as he dives into a state deeper than instinct". He's not literally diving into something deeper than instinct, it's metaphorical. Metaphors are a thing.

 

[ChocomilkAlex]

Also Out-of-this-dimension speed really shouldn't be taken as literal considering the fact that out of this dimension doesn't literally mean that he trancends the concept of dimensions with his speed. It's most likely just a fun way of describing Goku's speed.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

King, Zeta, Choco, and Elixer are all correct. It's just hax resistance, not speed.

 

[elhermanopadre]

If he transcended time he wouldn't be put in the predicament in the first place. We see during every time skip, Jiren was frozen. We see that Jiren was being held by the ability for a good amount of time.

Nope, Narrators are used for 2 things. #1 Describing what was/is/will be taking place with visually shown evidence to back it up, and #2 to hype things up. It's like in HxH when the Narrator (best Narrator of all anime/manga) said Meruem's en was lighting up the place, then everything went bright.
The Narrator says at 41:53 "as he dives into a state deeper than instinct". He's not literally diving into something deeper than instinct, it's metaphorical. Metaphors are a thing.

That's not true for once , jiren was still able to move , secondly , it was said that is power transcends times he himself physically has a 3 dimensional body even if he was higher dimensionally since he still has a 3d avatar he would still be somewhat affected by the 3d word , especially if he needs to eat sleep etc... And he wasn't held back for a good moment the cinematic showing is likely far shorter than it is.

It doesn't matter, it doesn't change the fact that the narrator still says it.

 

[elhermanopadre]

Also Out-of-this-dimension speed really shouldn't be taken as literal considering the fact that out of this dimension doesn't literally mean that he trancends the concept of dimensions with his speed. It's most likely just a fun way of describing Goku's speed.

Why wouldn't it ? do you proof that it cannot work or exist in a fictional work ? The out of this dimension speed stated is implying atleast higher levels of speed.

 

[The_Narrator_of_Narrative]

There’s no reason to believe that the statement wasn’t hyperbolic tho.

 

[elhermanopadre]

There’s no reason to believe that the statement wasn’t hyperbolic tho.

There is no reason to believe it is ether , the Hyperbolic argument is such a bad excuse.

 

[ChocomilkAlex]

Why wouldn't it ? do you proof that it cannot work or exist in a fictional work ? The out of this dimension speed stated is implying atleast higher levels of speed.

"Out of this dimension" is literally just another way of saying "Out of this world" right down to the wording. This is simple hyperbole meant to generate hype.

 

[elhermanopadre]

"Out of this dimension" is literally just another way of saying "Out of this world" right down to the wording. This is simple hyperbole meant to generate hype.

It isn't , there is not proof that it is just because the phrase can be worded differently.

 

[KingTempest]

That's not true for once , jiren was still able to move , secondly , it was said that is power transcends times he himself physically has a 3 dimensional body even if he was higher dimensionally since he still has a 3d avatar he would still be somewhat affected. And he wasn't held back for a good moment the cinematic showing is likely far shorter than it is.

It doesn't matter, it doesn't change the fact that the narrator still says it.

My guy. You just finessed yourself.

#1 no he was not, if he was able to move he would've hit Hit every time he froze time, but no, he just moved extra fast after. Why do you think Hit says repeatedly "he's adapted to my time skip?"
#2 if his power transcended time, why would that work for his body? What are you arguing infinite attack speed?
#3 in the Hit vs Jiren fight, Hit says "my power wont last long enough to keep him frozen until the end". That's not transcending time, that's clear power. He's not transcending time, he's transcending an ability. The fact that he had to crush Hit's ball to get out of it instead of telling time to hop off of him says a lot.

Next time the narrator says lightning speeds you'll see a downgrade from MFTL+ to MHS then.

 

[The_Narrator_of_Narrative]

There is no reason to believe it is ether , the Hyperbolic argument is such a bad excuse.

It would need more than that to actually prove anything, the incoherence would be enormous from Massively FTL+ characters scaling to “Infinite Speed” Jiren.

 

[elhermanopadre]

My guy. You just finessed yourself.

#1 no he was not, if he was able to move he would've hit Hit every time he froze time, but no, he just moved extra fast after. Why do you think Hit says repeatedly "he's adapted to my time skip?"
#2 if his power transcended time, why would that work for his body? What are you arguing infinite attack speed?
#3 in the Hit vs Jiren fight, Hit says "my power wont last long enough to keep him frozen until the end". That's not transcending time, that's clear power. He's not transcending time, he's transcending an ability. The fact that he had to crush Hit's ball to get out of it instead of telling time to hop off of him says a lot.

Next time the narrator says lightning speeds you'll see a downgrade from MFTL+ to MHS then.

1) Because it was stated that it's because of is strength (he is physically only 3 dimensional, therefore susceptible to 3d dimensional things ) , it technically failed , jiren wasn't stopped, he was still marching and moving.

2) Jiren never needed to adapt to time skip , the sec hit atk him with time skip , jiren slapped him. (he even stats to hit to stop spamming this fodder technique).

3) It doesn't matter about the time frozen because they said that he can resist time stop because he transcends time itself. It doesn't matter if hit was talking about power, he was still manipulating, and time is a concept. He never needed to crush the ball , that's your headcanon. Hit was trying to use this atk to try to finish jiren , there is nothing saying that's because of that atk that jiren didn't get out.

4) That would never happen.

 

[KingTempest]

1) Because it was stated that it's because of is strength (he is physically only 3 dimensional, therefore susceptible to 3d dimensional things ) , it technically failed , jiren wasn't stopped, he was still marching and moving.

2) Jiren never needed to adapt to time skip , the sec hit atk him with time skip , jiren slapped him. (he even stats to hit to stop spamming this fodder technique).

3) It doesn't matter about the time frozen because they said that he can resist time stop because he transcends time itself. It doesn't matter if hit was talking about power, he was still manipulating, and time is a concept. He never needed to crush the ball , that's your headcanon. Hit was trying to use this atk to try to finish jiren , there is nothing saying that's because of that atk that jiren didn't get out.

4) That would never happen.

1) I'm referring to the time skip that Jiren spammed in U6 vs U7, not the last one.

2) Please look from here on and count the amount of times for me that Jiren missed when hit used time skip. I count 3. Then later Jiren starts punching on him and Hitsays he adapted.

3) He crushed the ball and the aura around him disappeared. It's your headcanon that he didn't need to crush the ball. Jiren walked towards the ball, struggling, then when Hit jumped towards him to try to do whatever, Jiren crushed the ball and moved at regular speeds again.

4) Lmao alright

 

[elhermanopadre]

1) I'm referring to the time skip that Jiren spammed in U6 vs U7, not the last one.

2) Please look from here on and count the amount of times for me that Jiren missed when hit used time skip. I count 3. Then later Jiren starts punching on him and Hitsays he adapted.

3) He crushed the ball and the aura around him disappeared. It's your headcanon that he didn't need to crush the ball. Jiren walked towards the ball, struggling, then when Hit jumped towards him to try to do whatever, Jiren crushed the ball and moved at regular speeds again.

4) Lmao alright

1)? WHAT? Jiren never spammed time skip

2) Definitely not, hit used a fake clone of himself and is intangible (that clone is literally non-existing) idk what you are talking about, and is not even relevant. He never adapted, time skip never worked on me you realize that right? , hit wasn't able to hit jiren by simply using time skip while jiren could.


3) That could simply mean, hit was already fatigued and he did say something about it being is final atk or is finishing move to try to take down jiren , and jiren was already in hit's cage of time before the that ball so your argument falls.

4) ok dude.