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In my opinion CW Supergirl is extremely underestimated and consistently has more high feats than u think.

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LOW 7-B ?!

Are u serious ?! This entire wiki is tr*sh. I am trying and doing my best to give arguments of CW Earth-38 heroes being continent-low planet lvl and u lowball them to low city lvl.

Comicvine is much better
 
Well a part of the reason that they're so low is that whenever someone brings it up it's always someone complaining about the tiers rather then trying to actually discuss upgrades
 
DMUA said:
Well a part of the reason that they're so low is that whenever someone brings it up it's always someone complaining about the tiers rather then trying to actually discuss upgrades
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I don't care now. U can lowball her to 10-C whatever. I am done with this site. U traits me like trash, just like u removed my profile about CW Reign so i won't visit this trash forum again
 
Actually, now that I take a moment to look at it

How the fork does the Midwest automatically mean it covers the entire country

A spherical blast as big as it would definitely blow up the mid west so I don't even know where this angle is coming from

The near total fatalities end, 34 Teratons, is probably best as per actually representing blowing up the mid west, which is of course consistent with planet shaking. (At least, the end where we don't assume that the entire planet would have buildings tumbling over and quaking extremely violently, dunno if there's any particular evidence for Magnitude 8)
 
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
He made Low 7-B because we haven't concluded this upgrade thread yet. The reason we aren't able to upgrade Supergirl is because every time people just rant and complain about the tiers instead of actually trying to help.
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Unfortunately something all too common of people who came from the worse places of G+
 
He probably just came here to trash the wiki and promote comicvine, I doubt that somebody with so little patience or common sense.
 
I have blocked SexyBayonetta and I will close this thread since OP is blocked.
 
And I'll repopen this thread because other people were discussing the tier 6 stuff. Unless a new one is needed.
 
Ah, sorry about that, but I thought those were being discussed on other threads. I just thought the poorly formatted OP usually throws people off was why.
 
Are they? Tier 6 Supergirl is from quite a while ago so I don't think it's being discussed on another thread currently
 
At least u made paragraphs:

Ok let rank:

1. Agree and logical

2. Good for her when it comes to new powers but nothing saying on continent or planet lvl

3. like in 2nd

4. Pretty strong argument ( completely forgot about that ).

5. Idk how we can apply physics about mtfl speed but should be godly impressive

6. Likely exaggeration about other side of cosmos but pretty strong

7. Yes i remember Reign doing this. Pretty godly powerful

8, 9. Not really quantifable still + we don't know how much power did she use but sure this paranormal phenomena was damn powerful + didn't notice this sun creation

10. Good for her.

11. But wait.. what are Legion ship's feats ?

13. Let's not highball to universe lvl ok

14. I agree comparing to her consistent showings now

Rest i agree. Kara should be upgraded
 
Two things, what kind of amps had Supergirl had to show that he can be this much stronger than when she performed the Fort Rozz feat?

and how exactly did Reign perform the wordwide disaster feat?
 
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
I think we should just scale her to the Midwest explosion and shaking Earth.
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If we really were to lowball this midwest explosion to oblivion notice the fact Central city is located in Missouri ( central USA ) and this blast from central city is about to destroy ( so by logic cover it then destroy buildings not only burn people, but destroy it ). So radical should be gigantic and seemingly as thread creator said this radical looks like continent covering one
 
I'm not a really a fan of Supergirl but from what i know, many things should be added to the verse like the Magic stuff from Season 3, Reign, Red Daughter, Manchester Black and yes, i think more feats should be noticed.
 
ArkhamDC06 said:
I'm not a really a fan of Supergirl but from what i know, many things should be added to the verse like the Magic stuff from Season 3, Reign, Red Daughter, Manchester Black and yes, i think more feats should be noticed.
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H'ronmeer staff is planetary and very likely higher like Large planet lvl +. It allowed M'yrnn to practically shapeshift into planet Earth having absolutely molecular control over entire mass and overpower Reign smash her. And Kara could hold her own against Reign. Staff of H'ronmeer could even scratch nth metal ring and Supergirl could break large amount of nth metal ( toughest material in existence ). This mustn't be neglected
 
Isn't H'ronmeer supposed to be the God of Death for Martians (at least it is believed in the comics, though he is only a form of Dream of the Endless in reality) ? If that is the case, it's not surprising that his staff can do such things.

Supergirl's profile is rather old and many of her feats aren't noted. Fighting Reign alone should put the verse higher (not up to Tier 5 maybe but still). Pestilence should also be noted for her disease ability (though it might not really change the tier).
 
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Isn't H'ronmeer supposed to be the God of Death for Martians (at least it is believed in the comics, though he is only a form of Dream of the Endless in reality) ? If that is the case, it's not surprising that his staff can do such things.
Supergirl's profile is rather old and many of her feats aren't noted. Fighting Reign alone should put the verse higher (not up to Tier 5 maybe but still). Pestilence should also be noted for her disease ability (though it might not really change the tier).
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Reign casually was breaking the world. Magnitude 8, by affecting the core then all plates are moving crwating craters reaching the core + Harun-El was spreading the it's magic to transform planet into new Krypton. Staff of H'ronmeer magic could moleculary fix everything, overpower and smash Reign ( was screaming from pain but still was fine ). Supergirl has taken this magic blast of Harun-El plasma in ep21
 
That would correspond to Tier 6. Low 6-B alone is about shaking the planet and it could maybe reach the same tier as most of DCEU's profiles (At least 7-A to 6-C, likely 6-B). For the Staff, i don't think it was used at its full power of Supergirl would have been killed (it's a weapon from a god, of course a mere alien would have succombed. Admitting that H'ronmeet is only a god and not a form of Dream of the Endless).

In any case, the verse must be edited i think. It's more powerful than that.

Just to say, what i wrote here is a repost, sort of. I don't know if my first message was sent.
 
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That would correspond to Tier 6. Low 6-B alone is about shaking the planet and it could maybe reach the same tier as most of DCEU's profiles (At least 7-A to 6-C, likely 6-B). For the Staff, i don't think it was used at its full power of Supergirl would have been killed (it's a weapon from a god, of course a mere alien would have succombed. Admitting that H'ronmeet is only a god and not a form of Dream of the Endless).
In any case, the verse must be edited i think. It's more powerful than that.

Just to say, what i wrote here is a repost, sort of. I don't know if my first message was sent.
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I know but https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:DMUA/Standard_Calculation_for_shaking_the_Earth

this magnitude was 8 by Winn Schott words ( reliable scientifically guy ). She was doing earthquake by burrowing/drilling through earth's core causing tsunamis or core reaching craters ( or storm covering madagascar ). That is definitely low 5-b hands down. feats and statements proves that not mentioning Alura ( another specialist of kryptonian religion and some pantheon of their gods, engeenery etc. ) said it is infinite strenght. Not wanking but i just say facts. Supergirl already has threwn Fort Rozz reaching this 12 234 ly distance in 1.5 years or overpowered this exodus ship which entered already mtfl and was being held in Earth's atmosphere. Was about to reach other side of cosmos so likely 80 000 000 000 ly/seconds
 
Scans or bust, cause Magnitude 8 across the entire planet (which would cause like, all buildings to tumble and the planet itself to start to get ripped apart) seems quite a bit much

That said, if he just said it was a magnitude 8 (Like I'd think he did with CW's expert math skills) that'd be 7-B and wouldn't shake the planet whatsoever
 
I think she was causing that kind of earthquake but it was slowly spreading and did not caused that much damages in a instant. It's more like she needed to do it more than one time to affect the planet that much. Besides, Worldkillers's primary goal is to prepare a planet to terraformation, not destruction so even if they are basically living weapon that are more powerful than normal kryptonians, i don't think Selena and the witches would have give them the power to instantly destroy a planet when their gaol is to conquer it. Though they have enough power to cause this kind of destruction but i believe they only can destroy a world together. Though it should be noted that Reign gained Pestilence's and Purity's powers after their death, so she's even more powerful than before after that.
 
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I think she was causing that kind of earthquake but it was slowly spreading and did not caused that much damages in a instant. It's more like she needed to do it more than one time to affect the planet that much. Besides, Worldkillers's primary goal is to prepare a planet to terraformation, not destruction so even if they are basically living weapon that are more powerful than normal kryptonians, i don't think Selena and the witches would have give them the power to instantly destroy a planet when their gaol is to conquer it. Though they have enough power to cause this kind of destruction but i believe they only can destroy a world together.
Though it should be noted that Reign gained Pestilence's and Purity's powers after their death, so she's even more powerful than before after that.
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U know it is really hard to perfectly reflect real life disasters in movie/series. That why statements ( but from reliable sorces or characters like advanced computers or scientist such as Winn Schott ) are important then. The crater ( after 3 minutes of earthquake ) was reaching the core as M'yrnn used it as Nexus point to shapeshift into entire planet mass to stabilize and stop Reign ("Take me to the nexus point"~M'yrnn in DEO. + if we rewatch one Ben Lockwood flashback during this process even some metal factories were collapsing etc. and skycrapers were also collapsing. U know we can discuss more but if Alura says Reign has "infinite strenght" and many other statements. IDK how VS Battle wiki rules works but if we have direct statements from scientist ( or high lvl IT programmer ) we should consider it. Not like statements from random person who has even 0 meaning about some scientific processes or biology or anatomy. Like Jimmy Olsen said fortress key in 1000K ton but Hat ( from Mxyzptlk statement ) says it is 500 tons. So i prefer Mxyzptlk's statement than statement from paparazii/CatCo chief.


+ yes, pre episode 17 Reign could destroy world with 2 other WK. But after killing Julia with Purity and Grace with Pestilence, life essences ( or powers ) got sucked into Reign's/Samantha's body, sanctuary collapsed without living any mark ( as it never existed ) and solar eclipse spell dissapeared. I think if Reign really have powers of 3 WK she really could combine power to destroy the world. Notice those are powers of kryptonian pantheon gods and demons where Lilith demon is confirmed by Constantine to have connection to some demons from hell

Or like Supergirl throwing Fort Rozz at speed reaching 12 234 LY ( Brainiac 5 statement what is definitely reliable source of scientific knowledge ) away star system in 1.5 years. Yep in S1 finale she didn't seem to throw it at mtfl speed, because:

1. Authors thought likely they finished with this story with Fort Rozz once at all and will never

2. Some moments in shows with superhero have some "statue modes" proving they are fast such as catching bullet or outspeeding plane or meteor etc. Just like in Flash series or Fox Quicksilver "sweet dreams" feat or MCU Q. speedblitzing all Avengers.

To end discussion i would say all high, herald, team buster, skyfather, abstract tier heroes are inconsistent, have low showings because of plot reasons. To make plot interesting or just to give more showings for villains etc.
 
Well, it's not like we were really trying to make them realistic. I mean, the main reason why disasters like that appear is mainly because of the need for spectacular stuff. Especially in superheroes shows and movies, where it's all about superpowers. That said, i think the "infinite strength" stuff is more a way to show that Reing is beyond regular Kyrptonians. I don't think she could handle it against beings like angels or gods (since we know they exist in the Arrowverse). So no, i don't think this statement should be considered as true though it's clear she is more powerful than other Kryptonians. Plus, she has the magical advantage and the resistance to Kryptonite stuff.

I've heard about the Lilith thing and i'm kind of curious about it. It could be an alternate counterpart so not the Lilith from the Bible but it's more likely she is since angels, gods and demons are unique (or at least that's how i see it, because i don't think there is more than one God or more than one First of the Fallen). And i really like that kind of things actually. All the mythological stuff with angels, gods, etc. I hope there will more of it in the future. Though i also hope they will be treated seriously and not as in Legends of Tomorow. I like the show but i really don't like the way they tend to turn their threats into ridiculous stuff (like how the defeated Mallus).

The main problem about all of this (aside from the budget) is that characters cannot be too powerful compared to others, otherwise it would be ridiculous. For example, Apocalypse in the X-Men movie is far too powerfull compared to the other Mutants. Same thing for Damien Darhk in Arrow Season 4. When a character is too powerfull, it completely breaks the story and its really difficult to make it "realistic" and logical.

The thing with the Supergirl's pofiles of the Arrowverse is that they're pretty "old" because the tier Low 7-B is based on Supergirl's and old feats so while it shouldnt reach tier 5 for me, it could easily be higher.
 
I know and understand that when character is too powerful story in senseless mostly, but not always.

This not polite threat creator said accurate and good facts about stopping Exodus ship or Fort Rozz at mtfl speed. But u know well that to beat far more powerful opponent u just need some specific hax/powers to neutralise ( magic is magic ) or kryptonite against kryptonians. I think at least low 5-B is ok to me but this is just my opinion. I accept yours u accepts mine as we all respect each other. About Lilith i just said when it comes to this Lilith Fountain from Dark Valley. Dark Valley is some kind of spiritual realm where only way to get into it u must be either mystically enhanced like worldkillers or mystically, accidentally "bump" into it like Supergirl got temporarily during eclipse or power of Brainiac 5 ( i think if Indigo/Brainiac 8, physiologically Colian technoportator who has complete control over her atoms/manipulate them/turn into energy etc. and was immune to phantom zone time-space effects "I am beyond time and space" ). Notice power of kryptonian deities ( Harun-El power is actually power of Yuda-Kal/ Anti-Rao). Kryptonian gods power is definitely planetary by feats itself ( not mentioning martian divine H'ronmeer staff powers either s3 finale feat or Manchester Black doings ).

About Malus and Beebo.. To me Beebo was a gag character. Hence that Beebo is creation of 6 totems and those totems are powers from african gods worshipped by Zambesians. Mallus mere presence was destroying time-space itself and was confirmed threat to universe. Sure Mallus in normal world wasn't semmingly impressive but was destroying thing which human eye cannot perceive.

I think Supergirl should be low 5-B or 5-B especially after fighting Reign and Red Daughter + not mentioning current one has RD powers of Harun-El magic. If she must fight multiversal Anti-Monitor and it is confirmed she will survive the Crisis on 100% ( as Oliver had deal with Monitor ).. C'moon
 
ArkhamDC06

If we really would overuse real life logic in fictional live action superhero universes then we would consider like every average human fro MCU Earth and every CW Earth from multiverse are godly powerful metahumans.

Like in MCU how the hell human can breath/survive/be fine on every planet even plant lacking like Svartalheim or Vormir or Morag ( even risk of toxic gases in atmosphere like methane or H2S etc. or risk of high lvl gravity, powerful electromagnetic field or super pressure, super mach 10 winds etc. ). Or every CW human can resist true absolute zero ( must go to hospital then but barely survive ) or Planck Temperature ( power to create super black hole ).

For an instance Martian Manhunter casually snapping neck of Jemm. Jemm is Saturnian and Saturn dwellers are maybe nigh featless in CW show but watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGaW-c7T4f8

Normal Saturnian even baby by that logic should trait like 12 000 K temp and 2 000 000 atm pressure as a joke/casuality. By that logic Martian Manhunter should be in S1 likely even bilion tonner at least in striking ( scalings to Reign or Supergirl confirms this ), because Saturnia should be then 40 000 tonner casually to walk over core of planet and telepathically communicate etc etc. U see if we overuse real life logic this would be even funny and absurdal.

Not mocking u or vs battle wiki calculations or power scaling but just saying some facts
 
I respect your opinion really, sorry if you felt like i didn't. I just doubt about the Supergirl's profiles being powerful enough to be Tier 5.

Never said that Mallus wasn't impressive, he was actually pretty good. The problem is the way he is defeated. He was shown to be terrifying (especially during the "Exorcist" episode in the asylum) but his demise is treated like a joke. I don't like when villains are treated like that because the show/movie must be fun. I prefer when they're taken seriously. So if gods (i mean like Ares or others) are gonna appear in the Arrowverse, i'd prefer them to be taken seriously.

Again, i don't think tier 5 is possible but as i said, i also think Supergirl's profiles must be editing because they're more powerful than Low 7-B to me. 7-A could be a good start and we could go further. Aside from that, for the Anti-Monitor thing, let's be honest, Kara won't fight it alone. Even if the Anti-Monitor won't be as powerful as he is in the comics (obviously), he will still be at least tier 5 i think (5-B or even 5-A) or even beyond ther is no way Kara will be able to fight it by herself. She must have help to at least face it. Sure Oliver and other "humans" characters will be useless in terms of power against it but there are other superheroes and the Monitor will fight to. Otherwise, it would be iimpossible to face the Anti-Monitor.

Of course, there are Tier feats in the Arrowverse and in Supergirl. And i have no doubt gods like Rao (if he exists in the Arrowverse but i don't see why he wouldn't) are tier 5. Though i have doubts for H'ronmeer. Is he really a god on his own or is he like in the comics a mere manifestation of Death of the Endless (who is IMMENSLY ABOVE even the likes of the Monitor and the Anti-Monitor) ?
 
I mean, CW Anti-Monitor could very well be as powerful as his comic counterpart considering the Arrowverse has a 2-A cosmology. Assuming the latter doesn't get any upgrades somehow.
 
It could yeah. But assuming this, i don't think that the Anti-Monitor will be 2-A, as God himself is 2-A and it would be very surprising (and disappointing) to see that the Anti-Monitor would be as powerful as God himself. Besides, it would make him far too powerful to handle for the heroes. Sure, they will fight Thawne the AM's army but that would be too high. Though i really think he can be 3-A or Low 2-C with ease.
 
ArkhamDC06

About this God/Yahweh/catolic one god, Manny's daddy he is featless. He is completely featless. Anti-Monitor is stated to be far far more powerful than Monitor. Monitor didn't show enough feats but by logic if he prefers to give destiny book to humans to mess with universe/troll universes to test heroes logically Antimonitor should be on pair with book and book must be below Anti-monitor ( who will get feats in next seasons ). I am also suprised why Speed Force is so low. Ok speedforce is omnipresent across all timelines and Earths ( i mean 1, 2, 38, 90, 221 etc. ). Not wanna wank but Flash messing with speedforce was making entire time space to break what is danger to all Earths ( Jay Garrick deceided to stop Flash going at immesurable speeds ). I think Speed force should get high 2-A.

God yahweh should be removed completely because he is featless, we do not even know did he truly created Arrowverse landscape/fiction etc.
 
I do think I lowballed Speed Force honestly. I may try creating a CRT bumping him to 2-A or at least far higher in low 2-C than it currently is, but I'm not sure when I'll be able to find the time
 
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