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In my opinion CW Supergirl is extremely underestimated and consistently has more high feats than u think.

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1. "400 megaton bomb will kill me" notice Kara was trying to trick Mxyzptlk. Somehow force him to write this code to banish him away to 5d dimension + she isn't omniscient so she also could be wrong about her own durability/resilience. She is reporter of CatCo, no like her stepmother ( doctor ) or J'onn J'onzz ( director of DEO specialising on alien species, their biology ). About "mach 7" Barry said actually "over mach 7". Mathemathically it is correct ( 60% SoL > Mach 7 )

2. Kara is more likely hax in nature by feats. Resistant completely to matter manipulation from Biomax nanotech ( which by feats fix cells, turns humans into nothing, in an instant manipulate human molecular structure in an instant, filtrated entire atmosphere from kryptonite in about 8-9 hours ), absorbtion of solar energy from plants, power bestowal ( Livewire ). Flash hax thunders are mega joke to her ( same one which can upcharge some speedforce barriers/break them or neutralise multiplanet ( potentially multiverse ) threatening black hole with Firestorm help. Proof she is hax resistant.

3. Also Kara is capable of travelling in time and withstanding time travel on her own what is also hax so i think Kara and Flash are more hax in nature ( possibility to slow down time on planetar scale ). Kara herself has limited resistance to time manipulation like in ep17 of s4 against planetar H'ronmeer staff.

4. Also she broke Nth metal ( while weakened by Manchester's moon dust ) same metal which even is said to be ( talking about Legion Ring ) more expensive than entire future ship in small quantity, Staff of Horus released Central City obliterating ultimate destruction ( undamaged ) + magic of H'ronmeer staff is joke to Nth metal ring.

5. In E-38 universe ships travel across space literally by mtfl speed not like in some movies green lanterns via time space portals or MCU via jump points etc. ( Like Daxamian, Kryptonian or Martian ships ). Supergirl has thrown Fort Rozz at speed which reached 12 234 light years away [ Brainy said about message bottle travelling time ( in real life they travel at SoL speed ): "It would take 12 234 years to arrive" ]. Check middle of ep11 s3 Fort Rozz

6. Also she has stopped Exodus ship and in one moment Winn said: "Alex in the 20 seconds ship will be on the other side of the universe", but previously Jeremiah said light speed ( When 20 seconds of show time past, Supergirl was overpowering it using her full brute strenght ). So who would u believe more: Cadmus man performing only dirty work for Lilian Luthor or extremely smart and gifted IT programmer ( so good J'onn deceided to hire him ) ? Not saying Kara has star lvl strenght etc. but this was about to emphasize how strong is she despite struggling/pushing her limits. This cannot be overlooked. Speed to reach second end of cosmos is sth like 60 (10) 000 000 000 light years per second sth like that.

7. Kara is scaling to Reign, the worldbreaker with magnitude 8 [ feats show this was Total Seismic Energy earthquake,' because of tsunamis, core reaching crater, massive storms etc. this should be around 20 zettatons force + Mon-El said it will take 1-2 hours to wipe out the life and transmute planet into Krypton' ] and having powers of Worldkillers she can potentially cast the spell on the Moon to move it with very high velocity to create ultimate solar eclipse for enternity ( ep17 s3 )+ even she threatened to Lena Luthor when she breakes free she will murder Ruby Arias and split this planet into half ( ep20 s3 ) + Alura said Lilith Fountain gives her destructive power and INFINITE strenght [ep22 s3] ( ok definitely not infinite but it must mean it is sth extremely unimaginable power )

8. Notice Red Daughter used full punches at her, same one ( untrained copy of Supergirl ) which created some dangerous earthquake in Kasnia ( not sure how strong but notice range was enormous, created some land slides 2-3 km distance away ( at best Large Mountain i would say, not mentioning it was her basis training ). + literally tanked Harun-El blast which created paranormal phenomena on planetar scale ( ep 22 confirms it is planetar in range and stability ) + possibly it created some faked temporary/additional sun or source of light.

9. Current kara have Red Daughter powers now. If we wanna say this plasma blast in episode 21 of S4 is inquantifible because of Yuda Kal goddess magic, notice the same magic was using planet Earth's instability ( when Reign was destroying/breaking the world from the inside creating Earth's core reaching craters ) to magically transform the planet into new Krypton. Harun-El is definitely planetary or low planetary. Same blast accidentally created massive purple ( ep10 of S4 ) small country lvl storm spreading those thunders at subrelativistic speed and it's magic was able to transmute people into strong metahumans. + kryptonians have weakness to Harun-El.

10. Kara also surpassed Kal-El and by Winn Schott words ( reliable guy by statements ) he pulled tectonic plate too ( s2 ep1 ). CW Superman also send Amazo burrowing him through the ground kilometers away and same robot was shaking the city while being burrowed ( when was escaping in Elseworld part 1 ).

11. She penetrated easily Fortress Sanctuary ( same construction which was able to withstand (completely unaffected) earthquake and Legion ship beam [obliterating glacial mountains in one shot, finale beggining] is a joke to it ) or penetrated Legion ship ( same which withstood full radiation of blue star with ease and unaffected for 12 000 years somewhere deep under ocean rocks [ep7 of s3])

12. Ok when it comes to punching she isn't that powerful ( pre Red Daughter powers ), but kicking, rushing, pushing, lifting, breaking by squshing or attacks blocking she is consistently that powerful + she is pretty good h2h combatant close to Alex and J'onn lvl.

13. As i mentioned b4 she has many haxes. Some time haxes on her own like time travel or time slowing down feat in Elseworlds ( as i mentioned Barry said 'over mach 7' ), matter manipulation resistance, limited time manipulation resistance, thunderclap, her body bestows people with powers like Livewire ( can suck energy from entire city and take down kryptonian demon ). Some reality warping resistance like ep21 feat and scaling to Superman taking full blast of Monitor's book ( u said it is 5-B, potentially low 2-C )

14. About Earth-X Overgirl's explosion:

Classic nuke map.

look at this radius of thermal wave on screen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXVJTkwjy8g&t=44s

0:32-0:39

This radius was literally like to cover large North America-Asia like continent. Curtis Holt ( if u watch Arrow he is extremely smart scientist and his technology from Vixen, Ray freedom fighters and other Arrow episodes so we can safely rely on his statements + "supernova" he means she is gonna implode then explode and it is confirmed she is like nuke, not via solar bomb ) said it is power to destroy the Mid-West. I created on one page 3 possible explosions 2000,3000,3500 teratons of force nukes making centre in the middle od midwest and grey circle shows it is how destructive it is. Heat wave ( pretty consistent and accurate with on screen feat ) is likely as i said large continent+ range and grey circle covers everything in Mid-West ( even North Dakota, Kansas, Nebraska, Missouri, Ohio entirely )

That is definitely 6-A or High 6-A durability, at least because she was completely unharmed but lost consciousness for 15 seconds

15. About "inconsistent" moment: why didn't concrete break from Reign's strike and Samantha could make Kara bleeding with this, same with car's doors"

My answer: ( ep15 of s3 7:33-... ) Kara even admits it doesn't make any sense. Reign was draining power from the planet while standing on the ground. She likely could use magic power to empower car's door and conrete and the strike her "Fist would do this better".

16. Also J'onn has some good feats but about this i would talk in another thread like tagging Kara who was rushing ( according to DEO map ) between mediverians in 1 seconds ( mach 333+ ) so mach 333+ reaction speed etc. but not now

17. C'moon COIE comes this year and heroes must have really power to fight (potentially) multiversal Anti-Monitor. J'onn will probably get amps via Ma'alefa'ak etc. and Lex is gomma do sth evil to destroy heroes etc. + there are rumors Smallville heroes are gonna join but unconfirmed

About statements depends who is saying some implications or calculations. Winn, J'onn, Lena, Curtis, Lex, Cisco, Wells, Brainiac 5 or DEO maps etc. are very reliable becuase rarely shows inconsistency. But rest u see.

In conclusion CW Supergirl should be definitely higher than High 6-A or even at least low 5-B ( likely higher with her Harun-El powers ).

Same as scaling to Supergirl and Reign ( if u will do profile for Samantha ): Superman, J'onn J'onzz, Red Daughter.

Ok idk are u gonna do James Olsen or Ben Lockwood profile but they are only harun-el amped metahumans what is definitely below kryptonians. Lex could surpass her because she took 2 enriched kryptonite laser beams.
 
I already created some posts and u explained well.


SexyBayonetta22 people just lowballs her because they hate her because her show is a garbage.
 
Eh! You can't tag people by mentioning their names like that. And that was really unnecessary, we don't rate characters based on personal bias.

I'd recommend the OP to rearrange his post into paragraphs for easier reading and also provide links/evidence of the feats mentioned, if possible. Then you can message the knowledgeable members about the verse from the Knowledgeable Members List and the Arrowverse (CW) verse page through their message walls.
 
AKM sama said:
Eh! You can't tag people by mentioning their names like that. And that was really unnecessary, we don't rate characters based on personal bias.
I'd recommend the OP to rearrange his post into paragraphs for easier reading and also provide links/evidence of the feats mentioned, if possible. Then you can message the knowledgeable members about the verse from the Knowledgeable Members List and the Arrowverse (CW) verse page through their message walls.
ok thx. but tomorrow or on saturday
 
Listen to AKM and Hell Beast. Break the OP into paragraphs because it's a pain to read through otherwise.
 
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
Btw shouldn't she be upgraded to Relativistic or something like that? The Elseworld "Mach 7" feat was calced to be that.
Flash said "over mach 7" rewatch the scene. Mathemathically it is really correct.

Ok there are some stated outliers like Alura saying Reign has infinite strenght ( power of Lilith Fountain ) or Rory Mich gun is planck temperature. But seriously affecting the core creating magn. 8 Earthquake with tsunamis, storms, core reaching craters etc. + H'ronmeer planet lvl + magic didn't even harm her. Reign and scaling to her Kara, Superman and J'onn should be Low 5-B.


This is massive downplay, not mentioning Kara taking Red Daughter Harun-El magic plasma creating paranormal anomalia on planetar scale creating also faked additional sun/source of light.

CW Earth-38 since S3 aren't jobbing anymore. If she is downplayed, because typical of CW guys aren't consistent so as all MCU, DCEU, Fox, DC universe, Smallville high-tiers
 
I agree with you, at least for most of the part, but it would be helpful if you stopped accusing people of rating characters based on personal bias.
 
Sadly I never finished Supergirl season 3 so can't verify things about it. The worldwide disasters feat does sound promising tho
 
Anyway the proposed (and mostly agreed) revision from the last thread was that we would create a new key for Supergirl.

We don't accept the statements like that because CW generally makes very unreliable scientific statements, like "Mach 7 is fast enough to cross the planet multiple times in seconds" or "3 billion Joules is 3 megatons of TNT" yada yada.

That being said, we shouldn't accept Supergirl saying a 400 megaton attack would kill her too, as we have to be consistent.

My proposal is that she should be upgraded to Tier 6 (Low 6-B IIRC) and Relativistic+. I do think we should create a separate key for that though, as that would **** up the CW scaling.
 
I won't watch the show, but I'm guessing Supergirl grows in power from Season to season? Her capping at Low 7-B seems off.
 
@Spino When did she say that? Also not accepting bullshit statements like "3 billion joules=3megatons" or "mach 7 for lapping the world several times in an instant" does not remotely mean we have to reject statements like a 400 MT attack being lethal to a character, in case you were implying that.
 
I do think that Flash has had much more explicit boosts in power than Supergirl, what had she shown to justify a jump from low 7-B to 6-B?
 
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFa

1. Notice Kara was trying to trick Mxyzptlk. Somehow force him to write this code to banish him away to 5d dimension + she isn't omniscient so she also could be wrong about her own durability/resilience. She is reporter of CatCo, no like her stepmother ( doctor ) or J'onn J'onzz ( director of DEO specialising on alien species, their biology )

2. Kara is more likely hax in nature by feats. Resistent completely to matter manipulation from Biomax nanotech ( which by feats fix cells, turns humans into nothing, in an instant manipulate human molecular structure in an instant, filtrated entire atmosphere from kryptonite in about 8-9 hours )

3. Also Kara travelling in time and withstanding time travel on her own what is also hax so i think Kara and Flash are more hax in nature. Kara herself has limited resistance to time manipulation like in ep17 of s4 against planetar H'ronmeer staff.

4. Also she broke Nth metal ( while weakened by Manchester's moon dust ) same metal which even is said to be ( in Legion Ring ) more expensive than entire future ship, Staff of Horus released Central City obliterating ultimate destruction ( undamaged ) + magic of H'ronmeer staff is joke to Nth metal ring.

5. In E38 ships travel across space literally by mtfl speed not like in some movies green lanterns via time space portals etc. Supergirl has thrown Fort Rozz at speed which reached 12 234 light years away ( Brainy said about message bottle: "It would take 12 234 years to arrive" ).

6. Also she has stopped Exodus ship and in one moment Winn said: "Alex in the 20 seconds ship will be on the other side of the universe", but previously Jeremiah said light speed ( When 20 seconds of show time past, Supergirl was overpowering it using her full brute strenght ). So who would u believe more: Cadmus man performing only dirty work for Lilian Luthor or extremely smart and gifted IT programmer ( so good J'onn deceided to hire him ) ? Not saying Kara on star lvl etc. but this was about to emphasize how strong is she despite struggling/pushing her limits. This cannot be overlooked.

7. Kara is scaling to Reign ( worldbreaker with magnitude 8 [ feats show this was Total Seismic Energy earthquake ] and having powers of Worldkillers can cast spell on the Moon to move it with very high velocity to make ultimate solar eclipse for enternity + even she threatened to Lena Luthor when she breakes free she will murder Ruby Arias and split this planet into half. + Alura said Lilith Fountain gives her destructive power and INFINITE strenght ( ok definitely not infinite but it must mean it is sth extremely unimaginable power )

8. Notice Red Daughter used full punches at her, same one which created some dangerous earthquake in Kasnia ( not sure how strong but notice range was enormous, created some land slides 2-3 km distance away ( at best Large Mountain i would say ). + literally tanked Harun-El blast which created paranormal phenomena on planetar scale ( ep 22 confirms it is planetar ) + possibly it created some faked temporar/additional sun.

9. Current one have Red Daughter powers now. If we wanna say this plasma blast in episode 21 of S4 is inquantifible because of Yuda Kal goddess magic, notice the same magic was using planet Earth's instability ( when Reign was destroying/breaking the world from the inside creating Earth's core reaching craters ) to magically transform the planet into new Krypton. Harun-El is definitely planetary or low planetary. Same blast accidentally created massive purple ( ep10 of S4 ) small country lvl storm spreading those thunders at subrelativistic speed and it's magic was able to transmute people into strong metahumans. + kryptonians have weakness to Harun-El.

10. Kara also surpassed Kal-El and by Winn Schott words ( reliable guy by statements ) he pulled tectonic plate too. CW Superman also send Amazo burrowing him through the ground kilometers away and same robot was shaking the city while being burrowed ( when was escaping ).

11. She penetrated easily Fortress Sanctuary ( same construction which was able to withstand completely unaffected, by this Earthquake and Legion ship beam [obliterating glacial mountains in one shot] is a joke to it ) or penetrated Legion ship ( same which withstood radiation of blue star with ease and survive for 12 000 years somewhere deep under ocean rocks )

12. Ok when it comes to punching she isn't that powerful ( pre Red Daughter powers ), but kicking, rushing, pushing, lifting, breaking by squshing or attacks blocking she is consistentlty powerful + she is pretty good h2h combatant close to Alex and J'onn.

13. As i mentioned b4 she has many haxes. Some time haxes on her own like time travel or time slowing down feat in Elseworlds ( as i mentioned Barry said 'over mach 7' ), matter manipulation resistance, limited time manipulation resistance, thunderclap, her body bestows people with powers like Livewire ( can suck energy from entire city and take down kryptonian demon ). Some reality warping resistance like ep21 feat and scaling to Superman taking full blast of Monitor's book ( u said it is 5-B, potentially low 2-C )

14. About Earth-X Overgirl's explosion check in my next comment ok ?

15. Reffering to 14th point the question: "Why didn't concrete break and could make Kara bleeding from head, same with car's doors"

My answer: ( ep15 of s3 7:33-... ) Kara even admits it doesn't make any sense. Reign was draining power from the planet while standing on the ground. She likely could use magic power to empower car's door and conrete and the strike her "Fist would do this better".

16. Also J'onn has some good feats but about this i would talk in another thread like tagging Kara who was rushing ( according to DEO map ) between mediverians in 1 seconds ( mach 333+ ) so mach 333+ reaction speed etc. but not now

17. C'moon COIE comes this year and heroes must have really power to fight (potentially) multiversal Anti-Monitor. J'onn will probably get amps via Ma'alefa'ak etc. and Lex is gomma do sth evil to destroy heroes etc. + there are rumors Smallville heroes are gonna join but unconfirmed

Andytrenom

Agree Flash should get amped too. Not keeping up ( S4 now i am ) but i believe he should be amped
 
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFa

Classic nuke map.

look at this radius of thermal wave on screen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXVJTkwjy8g&t=44s

0:32-0:39

This radius was literally like to cover large North America-Asia like continent. Curtis Holt ( if u watch Arrow he is extremely smart scientist and his technology from Vixen, Ray freedom fighters and other Arrow episodes so we can safely rely on his statements + "supernova" he means she is gonna implode then explode and it is confirmed she is like nuke, not via solar bomb ) said it is power to destroy the Mid-West. I created on one page 3 possible explosions 2000,3000,3500 teratons of force nukes making centre in the middle od midwest and grey circle shows it is how destructive it is. Heat wave ( pretty consistent and accurate with on screen feat ) is likely as i said large continent+ range and grey circle covers everything in Mid-West ( even North Dakota, Kansas, Nebraska, Missouri, Ohio entirely )
 
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFa

Andytrenom


https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/classic/#


Put the middle of the centre near ( on west from it ) Rochester ( in Mineapolis ). Then write 2000 000 000 or 3000 000 000 or 3500 000 000 kilotons of force.

Grey circle covers entire midwest ( as Holt said ) and orange circle covers entire continent ( consistent with this on screen feat ). Grey- "4.6 psi overpressure; most buildings collapse; injuries universal, fatalities widespread" this is destruction.
 
You are spamming the thread, if you have new stuff to say and a decent amount of time hasn't passed since your last comment, just edit your comment to include the new stuff
 
Andytrenom said:
@Spino When did she say that? Also not accepting bullshit statements like "3 billion joules=3megatons" or "mach 7 for lapping the world several times in an instant" does not remotely mean we have to reject statements like a 400 MT attack being lethal to a character, in case you were implying that.
I repeat to everyone he said Over mach 7.

Kara is not scientist or kryptonian biologist but only reporter. Mxyzptlk isn't omniscient ( even he admited he has limits ) and was too infantuated with Supergirl and recklessly was believing her every word.
 
Andytrenom said:
You are spamming the thread, if you have new stuff to say and a decent amount of time hasn't passed since your last comment, just edit your comment to include the new stuff
U mean to create new thread ?
 
U mean to create new thread ?

He meant "edit your comment and put the new things in it". If you click/touch your own comments, there is an edit button.
 
TacticalNuke002 said:

You are spamming the thread, if you have new stuff to say and a decent amount of time hasn't passed since your last comment, just edit your comment to include the new stuff
U mean to create new thread ?
He meant "edit your comment and put the new things in it". If you click/touch your own comments, there is an edit button.
Don't have time now but maybe tomorrow
 
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFa

I think this calculation is bad. Naruto formum assumes Mid-West is area of shape of circle but isn't. Just look:

https://www.google.com/search?q=mid...sKHS-DCu0Q_B0wCnoECA0QBg#imgrc=wZD9vBZ8cxBYQM:

This grey circle ( from nuke classic map ) should cover entire this area ( destroy entire mid-west ). + as u see the radius: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXVJTkwjy8g

Seemingly as it was to cover North america

3000
for instance 3000 teratons. grey circle covers Mid West assuming middle is at the border of Iowa, Minesota and Wisconsin ( covers purely the Mid-West ) and on screen accurately with Curtis Holt statement heat wave/radiation covers the continent. I think between 1500-3500 teratons is enough and it is literally continent by your scalings
 
Yeah it was Low 6-B

That said if the calc is better rated at 6-A maybe that should be used
 
DMUA said:
Yeah it was Low 6-B
That said if the calc is better rated at 6-A maybe that should be used
In my opinion this Naruto forum calculation is wrong assuming mid west is round area. Watch me comment above, radiated wave is definitely covering continent sized area and grey circle covers the midwest ( centre of nuke is definitely in centre ot mid-west ). Earth-38 characters aren't that inconsistent anymore compared to S2 ( thx to pathethic writers )
 
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