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Not anyone till now, unfortunately. Best thing i have is the google translated.
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Immeasurable speed sailor moon ?
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Would any of you be willing and able to translate this please?
Would any of you be willing and able to translate this please?
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Thanks
＞――なんだ!? この光......!
――What !? This light ...!
＞これは このじくうのはざままでずらめく この光
This is this light that shimmers in this warping space-time
＞――ブラック・ムーンのしるし......
--A sign of the Black Moon ...
＞――だれだ?おまえは
――Who are you?
＞ワイズマンがよんでいるわ
Wiseman is reading/overseeing
＞さあきて
Come (with me)
＞――あれは?
--That is?
＞オレたちは「ネメシス｣の内部へおちているのか?
Are we falling into the interior area of "Nemesis"?
＞星の内部なんて融合反応のまっただなかよ
The inside of the star is the middle of the fusion reaction
＞つめたくしずかなわけはないわ
There's no way it's stuffy
＞ここは｢邪黒水晶｣のマイナスパワーでつくりあげたねじれた空間
This is a twisted space created with the negative power of "Evil Black Crystal"
＞ワイズマンの支配する「時空の果て」よ
"The end of space-time" ruled by Wiseman
＞そして あれが あなたたちの新しい城となる ワイズマンの「暗黒城」
And that is the new castle for you. Wiseman's "Dark Castle"
＞ワイズマンの城だと?
Wiseman's castle?
＞――やつは このねじれた空間からいつもあらわれていたのか?
-Did he always appear from this twisted space?
＞――にているこの女......
-This woman in ...
＞.…..…おまえはいったいだれだ?
.… ..… Who are you?
――What !? This light ...!
＞これは このじくうのはざままでずらめく この光
This is this light that shimmers in this warping space-time
＞――ブラック・ムーンのしるし......
--A sign of the Black Moon ...
＞――だれだ?おまえは
――Who are you?
＞ワイズマンがよんでいるわ
Wiseman is reading/overseeing
＞さあきて
Come (with me)
＞――あれは?
--That is?
＞オレたちは「ネメシス｣の内部へおちているのか?
Are we falling into the interior area of "Nemesis"?
＞星の内部なんて融合反応のまっただなかよ
The inside of the star is the middle of the fusion reaction
＞つめたくしずかなわけはないわ
There's no way it's stuffy
＞ここは｢邪黒水晶｣のマイナスパワーでつくりあげたねじれた空間
This is a twisted space created with the negative power of "Evil Black Crystal"
＞ワイズマンの支配する「時空の果て」よ
"The end of space-time" ruled by Wiseman
＞そして あれが あなたたちの新しい城となる ワイズマンの「暗黒城」
And that is the new castle for you. Wiseman's "Dark Castle"
＞ワイズマンの城だと?
Wiseman's castle?
＞――やつは このねじれた空間からいつもあらわれていたのか?
-Did he always appear from this twisted space?
＞――にているこの女......
-This woman in ...
＞.…..…おまえはいったいだれだ?
.… ..… Who are you?
Twisted... lots of words "twisted" "time-space" "space created"
Feels like "space creation / pocket dimension creation", and ... warping...
Feels like "space creation / pocket dimension creation", and ... warping...
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Thanks a lot.
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You are right. No such proof that are similar towards "Waly West ran faster than gambler gods in a race across the universe who could teleport in a unit of planck time" or "sheer movement beyond linear time" or "sheer movement across multiple "dimensions" (not universes as we know it but dimensions like n-D dimensions where n >= 4 such) within a short linear time".
We still have MFTL+ speed feats like "Sailor Moon light up the edge of the universe from the epicenter in four seconds, putting it at 360 quadrillion times lightspeed". Point me the scans and I try to make one (after evaluating two or three stacking calc eval request).
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The universe is infinite in size. The speed calc is out dated and uses a finite universe.
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(breathe)
Thank you. So how infinite is infinite when it has a border? Or is the border an anime-only feat again?
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It doesn’t. The area that's called the edge of spacetime is not in the universe.
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Weren't you arguing infinite speed because space-time is infinite and black lady , "flew" there, she has immeasurable/infinite?
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The immeasurable argument is that she flew to Wiseman's domain which is outside the infinite universe, and only accessible through time travel. And from sending attacks backwards through time.
Infinite speed comes from Sailor Moon lighting up the universe.
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Nah man. Naoko definitely called that area edge/end of space time and shit like far reaches of space time for the lolz.
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Can I have question?
Statement for "infinite universe/space-time" exist in raw or just translation note? Even they did, I think they're just refer to irl theory, not official explanation for in-verse cosmology
Statement for "infinite universe/space-time" exist in raw or just translation note? Even they did, I think they're just refer to irl theory, not official explanation for in-verse cosmology
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It's an official translation note explaining the text. In story, Sailor Cosmos explains that the Lambda power has the ability to turn everything into a static universe. The note defines what static universe is, and the connection to Lambda.
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Wait, the universe became infinite after angel usagi used lambda power? Cause cosmos said the crystal has the power to turn the universe into a static one.
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No. It's about the Lambda power being able to reset the universe and Cosmos is going to use that power when she goes back to her time. Also Sailor Moon had to use the power to undo the damage to spacetime chaos and galaxia caused. I prefer the Kondasha translation which uses restore, rather than turn, which makes more gramatical sense and connects back to the previous speech bubble about the Lambda power being regenerative.
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Thank you. Your help is very appreciated. To me that seems fine to use then.
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From what I recall, I think that we need to apply Massively FTL+ speed based on this thread.
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Is this correct?
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Is this correct?
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What about the infinite speed feat? The majority of people accepted.
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I was kind of lost in the thread, but it appears I did not see a feat of them traveling to the edge of the universe and the text mentions it was done via space time hax.
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The text does not actually say that. i can post the official translations again.
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Oh, you mean light reaching wiseman domain feat? I will let the staff decide. Personally it looks infinite. But then again, that would mean infinite attack speed, and not really scale to combat or movement speed.
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For Sailor Moon's light:
Sailor Moon is on planet nemesis, and her light reaches Wiseman's domain and Tuxedo Kamen who is in the Corridor of Spacetime. These both places are outside the universe and only accessible via time travel.
For Black Lady:
She was able to fly from planet nemesis to Wiseman's domain.
And she was also able to attack backwards in time:
Sailor Moon is on planet nemesis, and her light reaches Wiseman's domain and Tuxedo Kamen who is in the Corridor of Spacetime. These both places are outside the universe and only accessible via time travel.
For Black Lady:
She was able to fly from planet nemesis to Wiseman's domain.
And she was also able to attack backwards in time:
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I don't really see anything that would qualify for infinite speed
Regarding the first one Time travel has never been and never will be something that allows infinite speed in any way, is it simply time travel or support for immeruable speed (which has been deprecated) so no
Second look like Time travel + dimensional travel since it's another dimension/timeline
Third Looks more like space-time hax than speed, neither that things like shockwave don't scale to character's speed (e.g. the recent CRT dbs manga). And even if we take that into account, it's still not infinite speed because infinite speed =/= time travel (or impact across the timeline)
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The sailor moon universe is infinite in size. The light traveled throughout space and time and reached places outside the universe. Same as black lady.
these arguments were already said and refuted already.
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Can the staff please respond?
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That was the original decision taken by everyone who is currently participating except Iamuna, yes.
Although we are favorably arguing for infinitely big dragon ball universe despite it having an edge as infinity can have an edge. So i don't see why sailor moon universe can't be infinite as well. I am not sure whether the SM universe already IS infinite or will become infinite with lambda power.
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Are we arguing for an infinite sized Dragon Ball universe? I am not on that disussion iirc
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Truth be told, I don't really see anything Infinite or Immeasurable looking at those scans. "Attacking backwards in time" is the only thing that sounds close to Immeasurable, but not entirely positive. It just seems like time travel + dimensional travel.
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The universe is infinite in size and sailor moon’s light traveled throughout it and beyond its scope
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And black lady flew from planet nemesis to outside the universe. Meaning crossing over the infinite space.
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I know the universe is infinite in size, but they need to physically reach the edge without any time travel/dimensional travel shenanigans. Also, reaching something outside the universe doesn't require crossing the edge of the universe you were in. You don't need to travel the infinite distance of any of the 1st 3 dimensions to travel the 4th spatial dimension which is not guaranteed to be infinite.
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and what about the light? It’s simply traveling through space and lit up the infinite universe.
A feat that was done twice in the manga?
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Well, that would be a range feat for sure, but there's debate for Infinite scale Area of Effects being treated as having infinite velocity expansion.
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Characters like Necrozma, and Helios and other characters in God of War, have infinite speed for the same type of feat.
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Personally, I just see those as multitude of wrongs don't make a right. And there are talks about those being legit infinite speed feats.
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idk about Necrozma, but Helios from God of War is a legit case due to him using said light as the main thing for fighting, and he is the god of light, so he should be scale to his own light
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