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Immeasurable speed sailor moon ?

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I think that we are waiting for translations and the staff members who are already active here to evaluate what we should do here.
 
I can't do proper translations.

Doesn't seem to be needed at this point, anyway.
 
Okay. No problem.

What do you and other staff members think that we should do here?
 
It seems, so far, that at least Wiseman's light doesn't affect all space-time.

His domain is explicitly another space-time. Unless I'm missing something, I don't think attacking another space time would 100% qualify for Infinite/Immeasurable speed.

But, I'm too tired to read all the arguments in this thread. Maybe there is something to the light spreading throughout space-time that qualifies for speed.
 
Thank you for helping out. I suppose that a speed downgrade is probably in order then.
 
Wiseman’s light? That doesn’t have anything to do any of the arguments.

it’s about the silver crystal lighting up the infinite universe and the rifts.

and about black lady flying from nemesis to wiseman’s domain, which is outside the universe and only accessible via time travel.
 
Thought I saw something on it affecting all space-time, but I could be just misremembering.
 
Almost everyone in the thread agrees the infinite speed feat is legit. Its as straight forward as possible.

The black lady feat is still not discussed fully. Her being able to physically fly into an area only accessible via time travel.
 
Iamunanimousinthat said:
The black lady feat is still not discussed fully. Her being able to physically fly into an area only accessible via time travel.
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BTW she fights the sailor senshi directly right?
And pretty sure sailor senshi at that time where no where close to immeasurable speed and needed time travel methods to reach crystal tokyo. If black lady was immeasurable (Beyond infinitely faster then everyone) why didn't she just blitz everyone? Correct me if i am wrong.
Not to mention they where not shown flying through time, they were flying in that black warped space in the manga. To top it off, she could had just teleported them there.
 
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Physically travel through time without more context is time travel.
Iamunanimousinthat said:
Her being able to physically fly into an area only accessible via time travel.
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Traveling into an inaccessible are is not Immeasurable speed without more context, and time travel is....time travel
Black Lady feats is dimensional travel. Infinite speed is based on the light feat which lit up space-time, but nothing support that Sailor Moon attack speed and movement speed scale to the light
 
Ultra_instinct_issei said:
BTW she fights the sailor senshi directly right?
https://sailormoongallery.org/albums/scanlation_smoon/smoon_act24/012.jpg And pretty sure sailor senshi at that time where no where close to immeasurable speed and needed time travel methods to reach crystal tokyo. If black lady was immeasurable (Beyond infinitely faster then everyone) why didn't she just blitz everyone? Correct me if i am wrong.
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She fights them directly but has the upper hand. She makes brainwashed tuxedo kamen blitz sailor moon and takes her crystal. Black lady essentially wins the fight until Demande betrays her.

if you go back to my argument, and view how the scaling and ratings go back, the senshi don’t get immeasurable speed.


Ultra_instinct_issei said:
Not to mention they where not shown flying through time, they were flying in that black warped space in the manga. To top it off, she could had just teleported them there.
https://sailormoongallery.org/albums/scanlation_smoon/smoon_act23/011.jpg
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If they could have, but they didn’t. Naoko depicted them flying. That’s just the facts.

And let’s not forget Saphirs statement of asking Black Lady if they’re falling into the planet. Falling means movement, he wouldn’t ask that if they teleported.
 
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Vietthai96 said:
Traveling into an inaccessible are is not Immeasurable speed without more context, and time travel is....time travel
Black Lady feats is dimensional travel.
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You keep ignoring the context to make your counter arguments. All the characters have dimensional traveling capabilities and cannot reach these areas.

The area they traveled through is only accessible through time travel.

At least address the full argument, not just part of it.
 
Iamunanimousinthat said:
You keep ignoring the context to make your counter arguments. All the characters have dimensional traveling capabilities and cannot reach these areas.

The area they traveled through is only accessible through time travel.

At least address the full argument, not just part of it.
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I read all, inaccessible without more context mean nothing. Immeasurable require you to be:
1. faster than instant, attacking, countering and reacting to an attack that already struck
2. treat time axis as a distance, you can simultaneously moving and attacking at every points on the axis itself
3. some other cases with extreme amount of context and evidences
Sailor Moon fulfill none of those criteria. And even if we being very generous, take thing at face value, it is Immeasurable travel speed
 
Vietthai96 said:
I read all, inaccessible without more context mean nothing. Immeasurable require you to be:
1. faster than instant, attacking, countering and reacting to an attack that already struck
2. treat time axis as a distance, you can simultaneously moving and attacking at every points on the axis itself
3. some other cases with extreme amount of context and evidences
Sailor Moon fulfill none of those criteria. And even if we being very generous, take thing at face value, it is Immeasurable travel speed
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Eeer, pretty sure most Immeasurable don't actually fit the bill.
 
So, is sending an attack through time an immeasurable speed feat? Forwards through that is.
 
Vietthai96 said:
Well want to sleep, but yes, many verse doesn't fit the bill. And to be blunt, the wiki is like, have double standards when it come to this speed
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We do not intentionally have double standards. We just haven't always had correct evaluations of the discussion threads regarding this subject.

Anyway, I agree about that immeasurable speed seems like an exaggeration here.

What do the rest of you think about the evidence for infinite speed?

Also, can somebody link to all of the said evidence please?
 
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Iamunanimousinthat said:
She fights them directly but has the upper hand. She makes brainwashed tuxedo kamen blitz sailor moon and takes her crystal. Black lady essentially wins the fight until Demande betrays her.

if you go back to my argument, and view how the scaling and ratings go back, the senshi don’t get immeasurable speed.
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Yet the senshi could still react to her to some extent. Yeah, so much for immeasurable.
Iamunanimousinthat said:
If they could have, but they didn’t. Naoko depicted them flying. That’s just the facts.

And let’s not forget Saphirs statement of asking Black Lady if they’re falling into the planet. Falling means movement, he wouldn’t ask that if they teleported.
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Sailor Moon Crystal says hi. You are once again forgetting they were not flying through time axis, they where ALREADY in that space when they were flying.

Vietthai96 said:
then where is the scan, can i see it??

Anyway sleep first, return later
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From what i have seen death phantom warps present from the future and pulls usagi into a portal or something, IF i am not mistaken.
 
Vietthai96 said:
then where is the scan, can i see it??

Anyway sleep first, return later
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Black Lady attacking the main crew in the past:


Ultra_instinct_issei said:
Yet the senshi could still react to her to some extent. Yeah, so much for immeasurable
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??? I'm sorry what?

This is like saying flash isn't capable of immeasurable speed because some characters are able to react to him to some extent.

Ultra_instinct_issei said:
Sailor Moon Crystal says hi.
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And what about it? Sailor Moon Crystal isn't the main canon. The manga is. She didn't use a portal in Manga. Sailor Crystal changes many small details. If crystal didn't exist, what would your argument even be?

Ultra_instinct_issei said:
You are once again forgetting they were not flying through time axis, they where ALREADY in that space when they were flying.
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They were on Planet Nemesis which is in the universe and Black Lady flew them to Wiseman's domain. Nemesis is not in that space.
 
Iamunanimousinthat said:
Black Lady attacking the main crew in the past:

https://64.media.tumblr.com/2473a6bf697dc89eecc8c08a4d1677f1/3b28f7e27cb10ee7-05/s640x960/0e4062fec0b1cdccee9e326f02589d1fefffe448.png https://64.media.tumblr.com/bcfd8a7176b116b0b99c6ac2a16bb8dd/3b28f7e27cb10ee7-c9/s1280x1920/1ed0bbfa2da9c3b6e0e68f32271c68adbcc2d934.png https://64.media.tumblr.com/0e94144a690057083f7e1168f6d751cb/3b28f7e27cb10ee7-45/s640x960/68c103b84d0540f84cb755cfb6c614bc1508c3b9.png
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I hate tumblr link
Anyway, it is not immeasurable speed, according to three scans you give it is again range feat, the shockwave itself have universe+ range. Do you have more scan???
And before you claim that i downplayed the feat. I also have the same feat with Dragon Ball Xenoverse, however it is not accepted as Immeasurable speed

Well, let see staffs opinion on this
 
Iamunanimousinthat said:
And what about it? Sailor Moon Crystal isn't the main canon. The manga is. She didn't use a portal in Manga. Sailor Crystal changes many small details. If crystal didn't exist, what would your argument even be?
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Does it look in any shape for form that Crystal is my only argument? Or are you completely ignoring all my arguments and what almost every staff said?
 
Iamunanimousinthat said:
What argument did I not address?
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"If crystal didn't exist, what would your argument even be?"

You are making it appear as if crystal is the only argument i have. Besides. Crystal IS canon and is supposed to be close to the manga. Stop saying it can't be used because of very slight differences .
 
Vietthai96 said:
I hate tumblr link
Anyway, it is not immeasurable speed, according to three scans you give it is again range feat, the shockwave itself have universe+ range. Do you have more scan???
And before you claim that i downplayed the feat. I also have the same feat with Dragon Ball Xenoverse, however it is not accepted as Immeasurable speed

Well, let see staffs opinion on this
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That isn't a downplay. As you said, it more points through universe+ range. Sailor Galaxia also sent ripples through time which we know definitely is more weak time manipulation then immeasurable speed.
Anyway i will wait for the staff.
 
Ultra_instinct_issei said:
"If crystal didn't exist, what would your argument even be?"

You are making it appear as if crystal is the only argument i have. Besides. Crystal IS canon and is supposed to be close to the manga. Stop saying it can't be used because of very slight differences .
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Well I apologize.

And No. Crystal is not the primary canon. The Manga is canon. Crystal is close to the manga, but it changes things. The profiles are based on the manga.
 
Ultra_instinct_issei said:
say what you like, but crystal is like a thousand times better then that crap of a first anime.
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The original anime has it merits, such as when it expanded on the lore of the manga. But crystal was bogged down by Toei shafting the budget and treating the series like crap. (it's cause Naoko got back her rights and Toei can't make much money from the series. This is why so many other Toei series have multiple movies, and games, and spin offs but not Sailor moon).
 
I have a question tho. The warped space black lady brings diamond to. Is it just called the edge of space-time or that dimension is located that the edge of space-time?
 
Ultra_instinct_issei said:
Which evidence ant? We are waiting for translations for the lighting up space time feat.
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I do not remember well. That is why I asked.

Has anybody accepted the task of translating the raw scans for that feat?
 
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