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Ant, i won't bring up the first two arguments of "lighting up space-time" because i assume you have already decided them to be infinite range rather then infinite speed. So i will just summarize the arguments against the latest argument for infinite speed, validity of infinite speed , and finally the anti feats.
You're ignoring all the other people and mods who agree that it is infinite speed. Ant, only gave the example that you don't gain infinite speed from destroying infinite spaces. This is not a destructive feat. You can't ignore the speed of this attack and just say it's only range. That's not how it works.
What's funny enough is that you started this blog by using the screwattack blog. The screw attack bases Sailor Moon's speed off of this same feat. The only difference is that they didn't have the new translation that confirms the verse as infinite. Why is it that when the verse was considered finite, you were fine with the feat being used as speed and not just range, but now that it's confirmed infinite, suddenly the speed feat can't be used?
1.Arguments against Black lady
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Being able to casually roam around freely across linear time qualifies for immeasurable speed. However, traveling to different time periods through movement is a common feat in fiction that often leads to inconsistencies and has been done via FTL travel or running laps around the earth faster than it rotates. This can lead to characters being assigned an additional, independent, speed rating for the ability. This should preferably be evaluated case by case.
So our own pages acknowledge that movement across time and space alone is NOT an immeasurable speed unless it is explicitly stated that it is done by sheer speed alone. Did the black lady do it by sheer speed? Was it stated so? NO. IT wasn't really elaborated whether she did it by speed or by time travel, and it is a bit hard to grasp because it is a manga.
You need to re-read the page. The page says, "
Being able to casually roam around freely across linear time qualifies for immeasurable speed"
Black Lady is able to casually roam across linear time and able to physically enter the rift, a place where people can only enter through time travel.
"However, traveling to different time periods through movement is a common feat in fiction that often leads to inconsistencies and has been done via FTL travel or running laps around the earth faster than it rotates."
There is no scan or page that says black lady feat was done through a ftl mechanic or that one exists. You would have to prove that, which you haven't.
Your argument is that because it wasn't stated outright that it was done in sheer speed therefore it does not apply. That is not a requirement. Sailor Moon doesn't have a narrator that explains everything that's happening on screen like shounen and some comics have. We go by what's depicted on the screen. It's completely ridiculous to deny a verse it's on screen seen abilities because it doesn't hand hold the reader.
We see Black Lady physically fly to a place that can only be reached through time travel. That's what's on paper. She didn't use the time key or teleport, as previously established methods of time travel.
And Heck, the chibi moon page we have already considers it as a form of time travel, considering prince Diamond was taken with her.
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- -: With the Power of the Black Crystal, she can travel through space and time. She used this to the end of space-time
I don't get why you're bringing up the profiles when you created this thread to change what's on the profiles. This is a non-argument. You're essentially saying, "it's not this because we said it's not this". The profiles also say sailor Sailor Cosmos is immeasurable and yet you created this thread to change that.
And funnily, the anime of sailor moon crystal, which is based on the manga, agrees with it since she pretty much goes "**** it" and yeets diamond's ass into a portal. Jokes aside, she clearly uses a portal to transport herself and diamond .
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And yes, it is canon and closer to the original manga then the 1990 anime.
Sailor Moon Crystal, known in Japan as Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon Crystal 
美少女戦士セーラームーンCrystalクリスタル, : Bishōjo Senshi Sērā Mūn Kurisutaru), is a 2014 adaptation of the series written and illustrated by , produced in commemoration of the original series' 20th anniversary. Produced by and directed by (Seasons 1 and 2) and (Season 3), the series was streamed worldwide on from July 5, 2014, to July 18, 2015. Season 1 and 2's episodes were released twice a month. Instead of remaking the preceding it, Toei Animation produced Crystal as a of Sailor Moon and as a more faithful adaptation of the original manga by omitting much of the original material from the first series.
Not to mention the original japanese says something like "
They went to the core of nemesis from it's surface". (Note: I will be using miss dream scanlations, since they are supposed to be "faithful" translation of the original japanese manga. )
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This is further elaborated, albeit differently in the manga or crystal. None of them implies infinite speed.
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She takes them into a pocket of warp space created by the Malefic Black Crystal's negative energy, and controlled by , at the center of which is Wiseman's hidden castle.
(This is done by portal creation.)
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Meanwhile, Prince Demande and Saphir awaken beneath and are greeted by a mysterious woman, who bears the Black Moon symbol on her forehead. She takes them to Wiseman's castle, which lies deeper on Nemesis itself.
This whole section is moot. Crystal is not a 1 to 1 adaption of the manga. They change certain small details, like having Moon kill Beryl instead of Venus or having wiseman kill demande instead Moon and Tuxedo. Black lady using a portal in the anime is irrelevant because she doesn't use one in the manga.
(Not to mention from a production standpoint, it's cheaper to have Black Lady use a portal in the anime, than animate her flying through space like it is in the manga. Crystal is beloved but we all know that Toei is cheap and doesn't ever give Sailor Moon the budget it deserves but that's another whole rant and thing
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I don't understand how this is an anti-feat? The earrings allow them to move freely. This is like saying Hal Jordan isn't really MFTL, because it's his ring that gives him power. This is like saying flash doesn't get immeasurable speed because he does it with the speed force. His profile literally says immeasurable speed with the speed force. All this would say is that Demande and Saphir would get it while having the earings.
It isn't impossible to reach. Chibiusa managed to reach there by herself.
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That's not wiseman's domain. In the very next chapter, Wiseman teleports chibi-usa away and Sailor Pluto confirms that something took her to another space.
Not to mention the original scans imply they simply head deeper into nemesis rather then fly through space time of any sort
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This is a bad translation. The scan I posted has Black Lady specifically say that they are not inside Nemesis.
Also, the crystal episode you posted, has saphir ask Black Lady if they're inside nemesis and she says no. You're contradicting yourself here.
2.Arguments for the Universe Being infinite in size
The Universe being infinite itself is contradictory. First of all in the original manga there isn't any mention of it being infinite. IT was said to be just static and unchanging.
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To further add to this, it is literally stated to have an "end".
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OR an edge if you want to use the new translations.
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And what is an edge?
The outside limit of an object, area, or surface.
Just a reminder, we use what is directly stated in the media more then supplementary materials and guidebooks .
There are two problems with this argument, first is contextually and second is logically.
1. Ignoring the verse outright says time and space is infinite:
Wiseman's domain is not in the main universe. It is outside of the universe, and is a rift. I already posted above that rifts have no concept of distance and direction. Even if you want to claim that wiseman's domain is not infinite, the light of sailor moon, would still have to travel through the infinite universe to reach there.
2. Let's say it is the edge, let's not forget that edge is not a definite finite end. Think of the asymptote, a line that goes on infinitely and gets closer and closer to 0. We can say that the asymptote, is at the edge of zero but never reaches. The same logic can apply here but also:
Infinite places having an edge, end or otherside, is very common in ficition. Even verses like DC, have their entire cosmos surrounded by the source wall, a theoretical end to their infinite extra dimensional cosmos. Or Marvel microverses which are entire dimensions and universes inside atoms. These places in fiction are used to convey the message that these places are desolate, or extremely far and other worldly to the reader, that they are simply not just a regular place in space that can be regularly travelled through.
Infinite sets can have ends. A set of all numbers of 1 to 2, would start with 1 and end with two, but still contain and uncountably infinite numbers.
There are many verses that have multiple infinite universes in their multiverse. By using this logic, we would have to claim that those infinite universes aren't really infinite because there would have to be a place where these these universes end and another start. Yet we don't do that because we know fiction allows for the existence of these things.
3.Anti feats
As we know, there are numerous speed feats in sailor moon after that act 23. Being a manga, it is hard to decipher how fast they actually are. But the manga does heavily go out of it's way to imply and leans on extremely fast MFTL speeds rather then outright infinite speeds.
Ignoring that all speed feats happen in one panel or less. No character is ever tagged by slower natural objects like say a bullet or car. The characters never have any travel time that isn't instantaneous for example, taking two hours to fly from area A to area B.
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This is far after act 23. Does anything imply here they are moving infinitely fast? Very high ftl speeds perhaps, but infinite is straight up headcanon.
How is this even an anti-feat? This is chibi-usa running to Hotaru (who is still a civillian) to warn her and also apologize from running away from her before. She's not in a battle.
Also:
1. Chibi-usa doesn't inherit Black Lady's abilities.
2. This is for infinite/immeasurable reactions/( and attack speed for Sailor Moon). Only god tiers such as lambda usagi, Cosmos, Chaos would keep their immeasurable. And perhaps Black Lady and Saphir and Diamond while having their earings equipped.
They're literally flying into enemy territory. They of course have to be careful where they land.
Also notice the speed feat happening in one panel again.
More feats of the sailor senshi crossing galactic distances at
very high speeds x but x=/=infinite. (You can see the scan where they are shown flying).
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Again. Another scene where they travel via only one panel. Also, make sure everyone note that the first scan happens after the second scan. Chibi-chibi sends a help signal to earth and the girls arrive in the panel right after. The girls move from earth to their location within those few panels on the single page in the second link.
There is no timeframe given except that to the reader it is happening instantaneously in real time.
And then these speed calc
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About time I've done this calc, but the tremendous numbers have been dissuading me. I've often heard people say that Sailors are hundreds to thousands of times FTL. Their true speed is actually much faster than this. Let's take a look: In...
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Why are posting speed calcs as anti-feats? That doesn't make sense. Also these were done before the new confirmation that the verse is infinite.
1. Again I repeat: This is about infinite/immeasurable reactions and attack speed. The only characters who have immeasurable speed are the godtiers and black lady, death phantom, demande and spahire with the earrings. Why are you arguing that Sailor Moon doesn't have infinite speed when that's not what's being argued for in the first place?
2. Since when is that characters that can move at infinite or immeasurable speed shouldn't be able to run.
3. Since when is it that characters that can move at infinite or immeasureable speed can only move at those speed and can't move any slower.
4. That's of Sailor Uranus and Sailor moon. They're comparable. If they were moving at infinite or immeasurable speed, the scene would still look the same, because they're comparable. This would be like saying two flashes aren't capable of infinite speed or immeasurable speed because they're shown running after each other.
5. The running like the wind is a motif of Sailor Uranus, who is the Soldier of the heavens and the sky. (like how Neptune's motif is ocean)
Here is my conclusion:
The Sailor Moon universe is infinite in both time and space.
Sailor Moon was able to transcend both time and space AND light up both space and time.
As well as other places that are outside of the space and time, and are functionally infinite (having
no concept of distance or direction, or a flow of time). (This feat was done
twice in the series at two different times)
This should give Sailor Moon infinite attack speed, and that should scale to other characters as infinite reaction speeds as they are able to intercept and counter Sailor Moon's attacks with their own and other senshi are able to keep with them too.
Mind you now, other characters like Necrozma, Helios (God of War) have outright infinite speed for the same feats. (necrozma has likely infinite because it is not confirmed for sure if the pokemon verse is infinite).
This is honestly as close book as you can get.
As for immeasurable speed:
Currently, only Lambda Usage, Chaos, and Cosmos have immeasurable speed. This stems from Cosmos being able to move through time without use of the spacetime corridor or space distortions. Sailor Pluto has cosmic awareness over time and space to the point where she was able to know that no beings invaded the universe from any of the uncountable alternate universes or traveled through time. Sailor Pluto was not able to detect Cosmos nor ever suspected her of not being from the universe or present time.
Now I said that this was before the changes of immeasurable speed, if this no longer fits then remove it.
However, there is another new translation:
It was believed with the Miss Dream translation that Black Lady entered Wiseman's domain through planet Nemsis. As I posed above, this is a false translation. Black Lady physically flies from planet Nemesis to Wiseman's domain. This means she past through the infinite universe to enter the outside realms where wiseman domains lies.
Wiseman's domain is a rift that is outside space and time. In order to get to rifts like Corridor of Spacetime door, time travel is needed. Black Lady was able to physically fly and reach these places. She is not shown using teleportation, time key, a time ship, a portal, or anyother methods or abilities.
She also gives Demande and Saphir earrings that will allow them to move "freely" as her. This is akin to giving someone the speedforce in order them for them to move as freely as the flashes.
Black Lady is also able to attack backwards in time.
If this counts for immeasurable, the only these characters would get this speed rating: Death Phantom, Black Lady, Demande and Saphire (with the earings equipped), Chaos, Cosmos, and Lambda usagi.
Death Phantom gets it because he was the one that created Black Lady and gave her all her powers and abilities and physicality. Chaos would get it because he is the source of Death Phantom and his power. Cosmos and Lambda usage would get it for being Chaos's counterpart and battling him equally.
The other characters, would get immeasurable reaction speed, being able to keep up with and counter attacks and defend themselves from attacks by Death Phantom, Black Lady, Demande, and Saphir.
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