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Immeasurable speed blazblue downgrade

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That's just what any random nexus does. No proof of supplementary dimensions here.
Nice strawman but no a random nexus would just different dimensions with relative time to each other with no grander context not a higher dimension with connection to other worlds and different points in time. That X and Y axis are right there, cause if each world's time is it's own line and you go to a different line across a Y axis and have movement perpendicular to any other point across to the other line that would be a 2nd temporal dimension.
 
@ThanatosX Right now we're only talking about the black beast, not the other characters moving in the boundary.

Where the hell does he say he has no idea what the black beast is? Did you read where he quotes the text because nothing in the entire text says he has no idea what the black beast is. Also he's not a normal gateway, he's an out of control gateway. Also the fusion of two characters doesn't debunk it being the boundary at all, the fusion is a being made from the boundary and a grimoire that channels the power of the boundary, Ragna and Nu are one example of the fusion, so Idk why you're saying it's a debunk whatsoever.

Explain again how the black beast isn't accepted when it doesn't have the "needs to move in the realm to time travel" thing that debunks immeasurables for others.
 
Nice strawman but no a random nexus would just different dimensions with relative time to each other with no grander context not a higher dimension with connection to other worlds and different points in time. That X and Y axis are right there, cause if each world's time is it's own line and you go to a different line across a Y axis and have movement perpendicular to any other point across to the other line that would be a 2nd temporal dimension.
A nexus doesn't have to be a dimension to begin with. It can litteraly be anything as long as it connects stuff.

Time isn't a spatial dimension. Going into another timeline isn't ground for Immeasurable speed as far as I'm aware.

Also can I see is it that is supposed to prove that the Boundary is a higher dimension?
 
A nexus doesn't have to be a dimension to begin with. It can litteraly be anything as long as it connects stuff.
You still calling it a nexus is still a strawman cause your making something that's vaguer and easier to beat even though it's never called by anyone in the verse or any of my evidence. Your the only one saying it's a nexus, your blatantly strawmaning at this point.
Time isn't a spatial dimension. Going into another timeline isn't ground for Immeasurable speed as far as I'm aware.
I never said it was a spatial dimension, I've only ever said temporal dimensions/dimensional in reference to adding another axis to time which unless you admit you don't know how time can have multiple temporal dimensions for immeasurable speed.
 
You still calling it a nexus is still a strawman cause your making something that's vaguer and easier to beat even though it's never called by anyone in the verse or any of my evidence. Your the only one saying it's a nexus, your blatantly strawmaning at this point.

I never said it was a spatial dimension, I've only ever said temporal dimensions/dimensional in reference to adding another axis to time which unless you admit you don't know how time can have multiple temporal dimensions for immeasurable speed.
"You're strawmaning, stop strawmaning" isn't the best argument I heard. I just call it what it is. Water is wet. Fire burns. And the Boundary acts as a nexus.

Ooor maybe the person saying that going to another timeline should give Immeasurable speed is in the wrong? Ever wondered why we don't have every guy with dimensional travel at Immeasurable?
 
"You're strawmaning, stop strawmaning" isn't the best argument I heard. I just call it what it is. Water is wet. Fire burns. And the Boundary acts as a nexus.
No, your calling it what it's not called out of your own pure opinion and whim not by any counter arguments.
Ooor maybe the person saying that going to another timeline should give Immeasurable speed is in the wrong? Ever wondered why we don't have every guy with dimensional travel at Immeasurable?
Hey, derail much you dodged my point on if you know multiple temporal dimensions and now your trying to unload a double barrel question on me to keep away from my main points.
 
Overall it really looks like we are going in circle with the arguments, so new points should be brought up because otherwise I think it's pointless to continue the debate since both parties seems unable to reach an agreement

Glass, it seems like your claims have been rejected, both by our staff and arguments provided by regular members. As such, I would appreciate if you try to be reasonable, and help us properly revise the BlazBlue character profile pages' speed sections. This thread is turning into a neverending waste of time, and we need to wrap it up now. Thank you.
So far there is no concrete evidence of immeasurable speed, there is only a claim of immeasurable speed without any solid feats which if we lack context then we cannot apply immeasurable speed in the Blazblue profile. I think we can close this CRT because the number of agreements from members and mods is more than those who disagree
 
So far there is no concrete evidence of immeasurable speed, there is only a claim of immeasurable speed without any solid feats which if we lack context then we cannot apply immeasurable speed in the Blazblue profile. I think we can close this CRT because the number of agreements from members and mods is more than those who disagree
Hold on, did you at least recount before saying that there's just more in agreement than those in disagreement before you make a hasty closing on the thread.
 
I still strongly agree with Thanatos X and QuasiYuri. We should preferably try to hurry up a bit here.
 
No, your calling it what it's not called out of your own pure opinion and whim not by any counter arguments.

Hey, derail much you dodged my point on if you know multiple temporal dimensions and now your trying to unload a double barrel question on me to keep away from my main points.
This...is uncalled?
 
Hold on, did you at least recount before saying that there's just more in agreement than those in disagreement before you make a hasty closing on the thread.
because there is no solid scan showing immeasurable speed. all scans and reasons for the immeasurable speed of blazblue here are rejected even by antvasima,yuri,promestein. and if you have a solid scans, bring it out. don't use scans and explanations that have no correlation even to the point of making a headcanon like" if you don't have certain speed criteria then you can't move at the boundary"
 
... Uh, traveling to another timeline through the Boundary isn't evidence of a second temporal dimension, if that's what's been argued here? My god, if that's seriously the argument...
 
If this argument isn’t going anywhere, and most have agreed against it, then replacing immeasurable speed with infinite would be the next topic of discussion when it comes to fixing their profiles. But until then, carry on. I haven’t read all the comments since most are hard to understand for grammar reasons, but the black beast is still the boundary, there are multiple black beasts (ragnas black beast, nu and ragnas black beast, the black beast relius and co made, and a few others) we’re talking about the main antagonist black beast.
 
Ragna Black Beast is not that different from Ragna x Nu, just his Azure Grimoire goes crazy. Relius i dont know about. There is also a mavolent one stated to exist inside the Boundary (not the Boundary, but living inside it), but never actually appear, and no one scaling to.

I have some solution, why don't brought out the original Japanese scan
 
... Uh, traveling to another timeline through the Boundary isn't evidence of a second temporal dimension, if that's what's been argued here? My god, if that's seriously the argument...
Now that this was brought up, to ask real quick, how would we go about proving something is a second temporal dimension or more? Personally im getting some mixed signals on this particular thing, even being told that true transcendent dimensions themselves would already be a 2nd temporal realm or more.
 
This CRT has Gone too far with many circular argument, derailing, and strawmanning that can be holded

This CRT is seems to be ended, judging by the number of people who agree with this downgrade, I'm still at the same point from the start, agreeing with the removal of immeasurables on blazblue
 
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@Vietthai96 yes it is vastly different, Nu and Ragna aren't out of control cauldrons that literally ooze seithr out of their body.

@Delta333 Black Beast also has a planetary feat in the early series so Izanami's not the only one who has a feat on that level.
 
@Delta333 Black Beast also has a planetary feat in the early series so Izanami's not the only one who has a feat on that level.
Still Izanami is the main one for 5-A as planetary feat is 5-B only, also the fact that Izanami can physically keep up with the main cast already prevented any attempts to put them at low 1-C since performing 5-A feat is difficult for her

Btw count me as an agreement with OP since this thread lasts kinda long
 
Not really, Izanami's not a top top tier character. She loses to rachel who's been nerfed, Relius bodies her, and the rest just can't kill her.
 
Anyways, gonna unfollow this thread since I'm gonna be occupied with some school work and other projects for the next week or so, if the changes are done and the thread is finished before I come back, that's fine, just don't derail the thread any further and tone it down with the insults.
 
I'm a little late sorry but I agree with the downgrade, a bit tired actually to read from page 1 to 6, I had to read while eating lmao
 
No, your calling it what it's not called out of your own pure opinion and whim not by any counter arguments.

Hey, derail much you dodged my point on if you know multiple temporal dimensions and now your trying to unload a double barrel question on me to keep away from my main points.

Saying it's not the best argument out of your own opinion when I call you out on it doesn't dismiss my point that you still did it.
Do I even have to answer that?
Didn't see any Immeasurable speed feats in 6 pages. That's all that matters.
Unless you have some secret proof nobody has posted already, I don't think there's any meaning in going any further.
 
Since it has been decided that we should go through with this downgrade, we need a plan of approach regarding what the speed values should be changed to instead, and which calculation blogs that they should scale to.
 
You can have infinite amount of higher temporal dimensions for all thing in the world, if you can't access and use those temporal dimension with your own sheer speed, physical movement then no, you still not qualify for Immeasurable speed. So please stop using 2nd temporal as reason
 
Since it has been decided that we should go through with this downgrade, we need a plan of approach regarding what the speed values should be changed to instead, and which calculation blogs that they should scale to.
infinite speed should be the next scale characters are changed to, I’ll give scans and the like in a bit.
 
Anyways, the boundary is already accepted as an infinite space. Characters in Blazblue like the prime field devices, most notably the eye of the azure (Noel vermillion) can travel to the deepest part of the boundary.

Here’s an example of Es traveling to the depths of the boundary, after hearing the call of the master unit. She travelled the infinite distance, which qualifies for infinite speed.

These were supposed to be used for other tier upgrades for Es and co, but it’ll work for speed. . For now
 
Anyways, the boundary is already accepted as an infinite space. Characters in Blazblue like the prime field devices, most notably the eye of the azure (Noel vermillion) can travel to the deepest part of the boundary.

Here’s an example of Es traveling to the depths of the boundary, after hearing the call of the master unit. She travelled the infinite distance, which qualifies for infinite speed.

These were supposed to be used for other tier upgrades for Es and co, but it’ll work for speed. . For now
@Qawsedf234 @QuasiYuri @Promestein @DarkDragonMedeus

What do you think about this?
 
I would say that any upgrade n stuff should be done in another thread.

Though I'm wondering, what's the proof of infinite boundary?
 
Well, we are technically downgrading from immeasurable speed, and need to figure out what we should downgrade it to exactly.
 
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