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You could still have a pocket dimension that's universal in sizeDarkDragonMedeus said:
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Illumina Major Downgrade Part 2
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Also in the Japanese version she says the worlds are scattering into pieces instead of them being separate
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Your main arguments are way to vague, they lack evidence, and they're carried by the undistributed middle fallacy and headcanon.
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You're using the Meta fallacy too,just because an argument may contain a fallacy doesn't make it entirely false.
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They aren't, dreams are dreams, they aren't diferent from one another, It isn't a fallacy, there's nothing indicating that a dream is diferent.
They have evidence, you can't accept it because you already locked your mind that Marginary World can't be 2-B.
You are using headcanon, I am using what's on the game
They have evidence, you can't accept it because you already locked your mind that Marginary World can't be 2-B.
You are using headcanon, I am using what's on the game
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I just want to remind that the staff in the past rejected those same arguments that Zamasu and DDM are using for the same reasons that I am defending, the only thing that changed is Sonic being upgraded
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DMB 1, Shadow was making a blog about the cosmology of the series:https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:ShadowWarrior1999/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_Cosmology
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This is honestly jarring, if 2-B stays, I'm gonna have to revise a few verses.
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Oh the Dream Depot is toast either way.
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Stop thinking that you are correct about everything,Sonic is Sonic and other franchises are other franchises, this is my last coment in few hours
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This, if Marginary World isn't 2-B so is the Dream Depot, they work on the same principleED INFINITUM said:
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So Zamasu keeps repeating that one of the worlds is just a plane.
Yeah, he's blatantly lying.
Stars and galaxies are shown in the dream worlds, when Sonic and the cast fly through Maginaryworld it only shows the dream worlds being in their own bubble. So here Zamasu is spreading false information again.
Yeah, he's blatantly lying.
Stars and galaxies are shown in the dream worlds, when Sonic and the cast fly through Maginaryworld it only shows the dream worlds being in their own bubble. So here Zamasu is spreading false information again.
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https://gyazo.com/9af77812bb13805c80abf22d17b3311a
Also where are these galaxies? I see stars. I see nebulae. I don't see galaxies.
Also where are these galaxies? I see stars. I see nebulae. I don't see galaxies.
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@Cal
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Not only do I not see galaxies, only nebulae, but where even are they? They look like they're in 4DS, but Lumina would be closer to them if they were.
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This is the minigames map, they take place in each dream world
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He's not lying, and it's not very civil to accuse others of lying. He's stating his own interpretation and his own honest opinion. Misunderstanding would be a different story, but he's not lying.
Anyway, having stars or even a galaxy doesn't automatically prove they're infinite in size. And also, stop comparing it to Dream Depot; we already discussed they have different principles and that Dream Depot actually has statements about the dreams being universe sized. Maginary World is the only dream confirmed to be universe sized as Cal and Zamasu have laid out numerous times and people keep relying to heavily on assumptions that the smaller parts inside it are just as big as the totality of the entire Maginary World itself.
Anyway, I still think Illumina should be downgraded to Low 2-C and most of the staff agree.
Anyway, having stars or even a galaxy doesn't automatically prove they're infinite in size. And also, stop comparing it to Dream Depot; we already discussed they have different principles and that Dream Depot actually has statements about the dreams being universe sized. Maginary World is the only dream confirmed to be universe sized as Cal and Zamasu have laid out numerous times and people keep relying to heavily on assumptions that the smaller parts inside it are just as big as the totality of the entire Maginary World itself.
Anyway, I still think Illumina should be downgraded to Low 2-C and most of the staff agree.
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Where in the game is each dream in the dream depot is a universe? It's simple curiosity
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I never even knew about that scan but thanks for calling me a liar ƒæìShadowWarrior1999 said:
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@Cal Nah, the glowing center gives it away.
@DDM Nobody's saying they're infinite in size, and universes aren't infinite in size either unless they're stated to be.
@DDM Nobody's saying they're infinite in size, and universes aren't infinite in size either unless they're stated to be.
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I know you guys run the show here, and I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but staff agreeing doesn't make debatable or flimsy points any more solid here.
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@Theuser789 I said it multiple times on the previous thread, plus it's an total derailment of this own. I said the answer on Crimson's Wall though. And Dino Range Black has even more info on that.
@Shadow, but as Cal wrote, that doesn't really look like a galaxy. And the statement "They may have differences but are the same" simply means they have the same purpose, not that their sizes are the same. And they're still not confirmed to be universes regardless of them being Infinite or finite. Still, even if they were 3-A sized, it wouldn't prove the entiritiy of Maginary World being higher than Low 2-C.
@Shadow, but as Cal wrote, that doesn't really look like a galaxy. And the statement "They may have differences but are the same" simply means they have the same purpose, not that their sizes are the same. And they're still not confirmed to be universes regardless of them being Infinite or finite. Still, even if they were 3-A sized, it wouldn't prove the entiritiy of Maginary World being higher than Low 2-C.
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It just says that it's the dream of the universe, that the universe dreamed it and it contains stuff that's in the universe, not that the dream itself is a universe
Just like Marginary World being dreamed from other realities
Just like Marginary World being dreamed from other realities
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@DDM Is it because of the colors? Well here's another real-life example. That's also the wrong part you quoted, that link was to show that the dream world did contain stars and wasn't just a plane.
The dream worlds being separated from each other in a higher-dimensional space and existing in their own bubbles would indicate that Maginaryworld is 2-B.
The dream worlds being separated from each other in a higher-dimensional space and existing in their own bubbles would indicate that Maginaryworld is 2-B.
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@User, again; completely off topic but that's not the only counter Argument. Future Dream itself has a description about it being an entire universe. But again, please stop talking about it here and talk about it there if you want.
@Shadow, The glowing center only proves its a Nebula, not a galaxy. And again, "4th Dimensional Space" doesn't even look like an actual 4th Dimension and Everlasting has still said it was "Word Salad" at best. And actually, it is said that there has to be some Discussion Mods and/or Admins that approve of a Content Revisions changes to go through. But by the looks of it, every staff member has either said they are neutral or agree with the downgrade.
@Shadow, The glowing center only proves its a Nebula, not a galaxy. And again, "4th Dimensional Space" doesn't even look like an actual 4th Dimension and Everlasting has still said it was "Word Salad" at best. And actually, it is said that there has to be some Discussion Mods and/or Admins that approve of a Content Revisions changes to go through. But by the looks of it, every staff member has either said they are neutral or agree with the downgrade.
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Where can I debate that and where's the statment? And the staff hasn't said any arguments, only Zamasu has, so Just because they say it doesn't make it true
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@DDM When the glowing center is far brighter than the surrounding stars, that does imply a galaxy. Ever calling it "word salad" doesn't mean much of anything. The dream worlds exist separately akin to a representation of a multiverse.
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Everlasting saying something is "word salad" doesn't mean much whatsoever.
Anybody can say it, that doesn't make it a fact because he's a prior staff member. The same way that Matt shouldn't have more of a say on the rating of Illumina compared to me or you just because he created the profile.
Anybody can say it, that doesn't make it a fact because he's a prior staff member. The same way that Matt shouldn't have more of a say on the rating of Illumina compared to me or you just because he created the profile.
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And the staff in the past rejected the same arguments that been made by the same reasons being defended, and I looked at Niarobi blogs and she used the same reasons for the dream depot being universes that we have been using, including being called a world and using it to mean universe and being called real, none about it being universes
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Nairobi's a girl...
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Matt hasn't really given a good reason yes, but The Real Cal Howard has gone into extensive detail, but has given up solely because of the "High demand from the fanbase" and not because he agrees. Everlasting actually did give more reasons on Discord saying it reminds him of Doctor Doofenshmirtz's sound wave through 5th dimensional space. 4th Dimensional Space is literally just the name of the Board and is no different than a regular outer space that connects the other dreams together.
Zamasu has also put a lot more effort and reason into the understanding of the structure. Allow me to copy paste some things Ever said on Discord.
I feel like an important thing with the 4-D thing is the fact that it's called "Fourth Dimension Space", not Dimensional, just dimension. Which makes me think it's just word salad.
He also said alternate Dimensions containing multiple stars or even galaxies =/= Universe sized.
Zamasu has also put a lot more effort and reason into the understanding of the structure. Allow me to copy paste some things Ever said on Discord.
I feel like an important thing with the 4-D thing is the fact that it's called "Fourth Dimension Space", not Dimensional, just dimension. Which makes me think it's just word salad.
He also said alternate Dimensions containing multiple stars or even galaxies =/= Universe sized.
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My mistakeThe real cal howard said:
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Those same reasons need to aplied to the dream depot, that are just called worlds, not even paralel dimensions, the blog even uses my reasons that because they have stars it refers to universes, I will probaly make the downgrade thread later todayDarkDragonMedeus said:
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Isn't the whole reason why Illumina is the goddess of dreams because she's the creator of the Precious Stone, and that's the thing that actually created Maginaryworld
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