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Ikki vs Garou (Part 2)

And let's not forget that, while I don't want to get into argument, Garou is also ridiculously skilled. I mean, in more realistic sense than Ikki. But still damn is.
 
Schnee One said:
What will Madoka do?
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Reflect Garou's hits.

@Spooky

Ok but how well can he do this and for how long? Because let's not forget that ikki is 10x faster than Garou in Ittou Shura. It's only a matter of time before Ikki lands a couple of hits.

As for precog ikki dwarfs him.
 
SpookyShadow said:
As long as he wants to. That's also Attack Reflection.
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Again, he'll have to do that against a dude who knows exactly how Garou will act, is overall more skilled and is 10x faster. Not as easy as it sounds.
 
Schnee One said:
@Fire
Can't he just stop attacking after he realizes it won't work? Also regen
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The regen isn't exactly "combat applicable". Besides Stella has much better regen and Madoka overpowered it in 1 shot. 1 Madoka shot and stella fainted with tons of blood spilling out.

If he somehow survives a 1st shot. Ikki will just dokuga no tachi for organ damage until he can't stand.
 
Here we go...

This feels like Yujiro vs Ikki all over again except i feel like Garou has even less of a chance than Yujiro. Still, i can't deny very skilled characters are among my favorites for Vs Matches.
 
Tbh I absolutely hate stupid "skilled" characters in VS matches, but everyone has their own taste. Garou has "real" skill in my opinion and that's why I like him in versus matches.

Garou has Reactive Evolution, that's a thing that makes him so powerful
 
I meant Hero Hunter Garou. Watch him in action. He is supernatural but as a martial artist myself I see that ONE knows how to write a damn martial artist.
 
SpookyShadow said:
Tbh I absolutely hate stupid "skilled" characters in VS matches, but everyone has their own taste. Garou has "real" skill in my opinion and that's why I like him in versus matches.
Garou has Reactive Evolution, that's a thing that makes him so powerful
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I mean no matter what you count, credible or incredible feats. Ikki should still be superior. So skill may not be the reason you like him.
 
This is not what I meant, I just think debates about that can sometimes get cancerous and uninteresting after time. But anyway, you can write on my wall or something like that to not derail this thread.
 
SpookyShadow said:
I meant Hero Hunter Garou. Watch him in action. He is supernatural but as a martial artist myself I see that ONE knows how to write a damn martial artist.
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The problem is the setting.

Garou is in a place where there is nothing too...abnormal going on. Sure there are monsters and stuff but supernatural peaks at mere telekinesis in OPM.

In contrast ikki is a dude with a sword in a verse where conceptual and causality manip are ordinary encounters.

Obviously Ikki's skill would have to be significantly higher to acomplish that without looking like pure asspull PIS. Though what makes Ikki stand out is that the skill stuff he does only looks insane once it is actually pointed out like "hey this is a legit insane skill feat". I had watched rakudai yet rakudai here for the longest time was forgotten it all boiled down to me just stumbling upon a "top 5 most skilled per tier thread" and i started to argue ikki for a spot then realized just how amazing everything he did was. When reading them with 0 knowledge of vsbw and the whole skill debates, i assure you it wouldn't go like "wtf is this skill" and more like "oh interesting", as it would completely fall under the radar. If you actually look at any rakudai reviews not a single person mentions "skill", they literaly mention "Ikki has body strength" which is flat out wrong at least 80% of the time, but not skill. It's a lot smoother than im making it out to be, all due to context, the whole fight just flows through.
 
Anyways, for the debate. This Garou's RE is fairly average. It can't make up for a 10x difference in speed or strength. The 7-A key, however, can go from being one-shotted to one-shotting in moments, what i believe would make this more fair, but ain't the case here. Garou has Instinctive Reaction, Attack Reflection, and some other good stuff. His Technique Mimicry isn't really great, it doesn't allow him to master the martial arts he sees such as the likes of Yujiro and Ikki. God, he's not a master at WSRSF that he has been doing for years. It seems it's extremely good at his High 6-A key, but again, here, it's pretty average. Analytical Prediction is good but Ikki's is better.

Voting Ikki via being waaay more skilled and all that good stuff.
 
I would never talk about Ikki as a character on this site without reading the novel or watching the entire anime. I'm talking about using that in VS Debates. It's mainly a... hobby or something? Welp, side-activity, for sure. I'm not going to deny the fact that Ikki is definitely not a bad written character or that his skill in-verse, while reading/watching is unentertaining. I say it is during VS Debates. I understand what you say, I always adored Garou's fighting style because of the grace and accuracy it was done with, in such a fun way. But I understand.

Will vote later.
 
Firephoenixearl said:
I had watched rakudai yet rakudai here for the longest time was forgotten it all boiled down to me just stumbling upon a "top 5 most skilled per tier thread" and i started to argue ikki for a spot then realized just how amazing everything he did was. When reading them with 0 knowledge of vsbw and the whole skill debates, i assure you it wouldn't go like "wtf is this skill" and more like "oh interesting", as it would completely fall under the radar. If you actually look at any rakudai reviews not a single person mentions "skill", they literaly mention "Ikki has body strength" which is flat out wrong at least 80% of the time, but not skill. It's a lot smoother than im making it out to be, all due to context, the whole fight just flows through.
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I fully agree with this. When I watched Rakudai, I never pictured Ikki as some kind of incarnation of skill, but a dude who used his hard work to fight all kinds of opponents with only his sword.

And yeah, Rakudai was basically forgotten for a while here, there was a time where Ittou Rasetsu Ikki was 8-B, and he had a fair match against Izuku Midoriya (something that'll never happen again).
 
So I guess what im saying is the person who made the first "most skilled character in fiction" basically doomed the wiki beyond repair
 
KGiffoni said:
Here we go...

This feels like Yujiro vs Ikki all over again except i feel like Garou has even less of a chance than Yujiro. Still, i can't deny very skilled characters are among my favorites for Vs Matches.
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It would have been fun to finish that thread. It was fun if a certain someone hadn't turned it into another ikki CRT instead of asking on my wall or made a q and a board. It's honestly the reason a lot of rakudai fights go bad. They aren't even about the fight at some point
 
Firephoenixearl said:
KGiffoni said:
Here we go...

This feels like Yujiro vs Ikki all over again except i feel like Garou has even less of a chance than Yujiro. Still, i can't deny very skilled characters are among my favorites for Vs Matches.
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It would have been fun to finish that thread. It was fun if a certain someone hadn't turned it into another ikki CRT instead of asking on my wall or made a q and a board. It's honestly the reason a lot of rakudai fights go bad. They aren't even about the fight at some point
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Yeah, i also would have loved to finish that thread.
 
I mean, Yujiro got some attacks that ignore durability. Gosh, some literally damage your neurons so you loose control of some fraction of your body. There are pressure points that can make you faint with a light tap, and ones that obstruct your vestibular apparatus so you loose the capability to keep balance.
 
I mean yeah, i'm not debating about the battle, i'm debating on why i think it's fair even when Ikki's dura is so better than Yujiro's AP
 
Yes but like ikki fixed his fried nerves. So in context of the battle it's still a stomp. So we could maybe try 1st key ikki.
 
Firephoenixearl said:
Yes but like ikki fixed his fried nerves. So in context of the battle it's still a stomp. So we could maybe try 1st key ikki.
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That's just one point of it all, it doesn't mean the battle is a stomp. I think it's best for us to not debate this in here.


Yeah Schnee, there's this problem with characters like Yujiro. Either the battle is very decisive for Yujiro and it's boring as all hell or it's perfectly fair and awesome.
 
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