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I mean that was clearly a selective crush.
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Ichigo Vs Raven (teen titans)
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Oh damn. Yeah so....whats exactly stopping Raven from one shotting here?EmperorRorepme said:
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Apparently Crush? Other than that Raven has planetary range with magic and can 1 shot.
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Hax took over the site. That's what happened.
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@Emp
It is crush gg since Raven can't resist and has no feats for working while under its effects.
@Kona
It isn't because that is wrong.
It is crush gg since Raven can't resist and has no feats for working while under its effects.
@Kona
It isn't because that is wrong.
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That looked more selective and localized considering not all the hollows chasing that girl were killed, only 1 or 2 of them were.
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Also that girl herself wasnt killed.
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That example with Yammy might be true. https://mangalife.us/read-online/Bleach-chapter-191-page-13.html
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People really need to stop arguing this cancerous shit. Reiatsu is soul manip. Show feats for resistance it or just stay quiet. Multiple users have told you multiple times that it isn't AP based and is soul manip. Anyone who is basing it off of people having similar AP is wrong.Konaguna said:
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Yammys is true but the problem is, that is incredibly short ranged. And as someone said above, Reiatsu is AP.EmperorRorepme said:
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Look at every fight around where Reiatsu isn't just toppling buildings despite soul crushing 7-Cs at the time.
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Because AP and reiatsu in Bleach are based off of reiryoku and your ability to manipulate it. Resistances are not shared by verse equall so you need to bring feats for Raven to not just die. Ichigo just prepping to fight makes his shit visible. Compare this to Yama prepping to fight and there is no change at all.
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No, no it is not. It is the effect one's soul has on another soul. You know what that is? Soul hax. Now bring an actual argument that isn't your incredulity or willful ignorance.
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Ichigo never fights someone who he can reiatsu crush pre TS and after he is massively holding back and not even trying when he can.
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This. I've said this before and i'll say it again. Reiatsu crush is not passive for anyone in bleach who isn't named Kenpachi and Pre TS Ichigo like Anonymous said.
And honestly, I don't believe in Reiatsu crush being an insta kill unless the AP difference between the reiatsu user and the opponent is dramatically big. That said, what does Raven scale to again?
Raven is large planet level (possibly higher ) she defeated her father who was able to make earth to ruins in seconds, and I agree with ichigo not being able to passively spirit crush someone who is equal or stronger than him, and have a strong spirit.
And honestly, I don't believe in Reiatsu crush being an insta kill unless the AP difference between the reiatsu user and the opponent is dramatically big. That said, what does Raven scale to again?
Raven is large planet level (possibly higher ) she defeated her father who was able to make earth to ruins in seconds, and I agree with ichigo not being able to passively spirit crush someone who is equal or stronger than him, and have a strong spirit.
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This is why I was trolling at the beginning of the thread. **** Reiatsu Crush and passive hax in general through every level of existence.AnonymousBlank said:
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What even is this thread?
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@Cal
I agree, its really boring that you can't just have a decentish debate but why must people argue against an established thing every single thread its brought up in, with the exact same or sometimes worse arguments, fail to debunk it as per usual, then rinse and repeat the insanity on the next thread?
I agree, its really boring that you can't just have a decentish debate but why must people argue against an established thing every single thread its brought up in, with the exact same or sometimes worse arguments, fail to debunk it as per usual, then rinse and repeat the insanity on the next thread?
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Okay first off all, calm dow. There is no need to start insulting each other over this (and yes im mostly looking at you Konaguna. Insulting Anonymous was uneccessary and uncalled for). We can debate this without needing to resort to anything disrespectful. Now continuing:
>SBA wont give new abilities or resistance
Well then this is a problem from what im looking at because if we're equalizing energies here, Ravens power is Reiatsu. We can't just remove the qualities of equalized energies for one side but keep it for another. That is cherry picking to make it more convienent for one side of a match. If Raven's energy = Reiatsu then her energy needs to be treated exactly the same as it.
>and reiatsu is being treated as soul hax, read what Ulquiorra said to yammy.
To be fair, this doesnt necessarily mean its hax based. It can also just be that the strength of Yammy's soul is whats crushing Tatsuki's for her soul being clearly far weaker. Just another possibility to this.
>SBA wont give new abilities or resistance
Well then this is a problem from what im looking at because if we're equalizing energies here, Ravens power is Reiatsu. We can't just remove the qualities of equalized energies for one side but keep it for another. That is cherry picking to make it more convienent for one side of a match. If Raven's energy = Reiatsu then her energy needs to be treated exactly the same as it.
>and reiatsu is being treated as soul hax, read what Ulquiorra said to yammy.
To be fair, this doesnt necessarily mean its hax based. It can also just be that the strength of Yammy's soul is whats crushing Tatsuki's for her soul being clearly far weaker. Just another possibility to this.
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Agreed. Thats why for any verse I add onto this site, I back it up with blogs so that the established justification is as clear as possible.AnonymousBlank said:
Not to derail.
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Unless soul hax in Bleach is just limited by the difference in power, I can't answer this.Konaguna said:
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Does bleach have a reiatsu crush page/thread where this Been discussed?
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>Well then this is a problem from what im looking at because if we're equalizing energies here, Ravens power is Reiatsu. We can't just remove the qualities of equalized energies for one side but keep it for another. That is cherry picking to make it more convienent for one side of a match. If Raven's energy = Reiatsu then her energy needs to be treated exactly the same as it.
Because we not gave Raven Reiatsu, she merely can interact with Reiatsu, if we gave her reiasu she have all of these by default
>Pseudo-flight, Spiritual Awareness , Extrasensory Perception, Aura and Resistance to Soul Manipulation
So this become Ichigo vs fanfic Raven, In fact anyone who fight bleach people will have all of that by default, so it become fanfic ur fav vs bleach chars
>To be fair, this doesnt necessarily mean its hax based. It can also just be that the strength of Yammy's soul is whats crushing Tatsuki's for her soul being clearly far weaker. Just another possibility to this.
In case if Im not missing smt, I think people treat soul ability as hax
Because we not gave Raven Reiatsu, she merely can interact with Reiatsu, if we gave her reiasu she have all of these by default
>Pseudo-flight, Spiritual Awareness , Extrasensory Perception, Aura and Resistance to Soul Manipulation
So this become Ichigo vs fanfic Raven, In fact anyone who fight bleach people will have all of that by default, so it become fanfic ur fav vs bleach chars
>To be fair, this doesnt necessarily mean its hax based. It can also just be that the strength of Yammy's soul is whats crushing Tatsuki's for her soul being clearly far weaker. Just another possibility to this.
In case if Im not missing smt, I think people treat soul ability as hax
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@Kona
Please go look at any and all of my contributions to Bleach on this site. Not once have I ever argued/changed my mind on reiatsu crush being soul hax. If you refer to the fandom as a whole, I don't particularly care. I don't speak for others who may be misinformed.
It isn't raw power, I keep telling you this. What it is, is soul hax that stems from the same source as their AP.
@Kukui
There isn't any problem here with not equalising resistances or abilities granted by the energy. If we were to grant someone powers they don't have through verse equal, specifically something their energy has not shown an equivalent to, then we have a problem. I also don't think you can even verse equal Raven's magic to reiryoku unless its something inherent in all beings, exists even within matter as well, allows for one to interact with souls, cause paralysis, fear manip, soul destruction, stat amp etc as a side effect of using it.
Please go look at any and all of my contributions to Bleach on this site. Not once have I ever argued/changed my mind on reiatsu crush being soul hax. If you refer to the fandom as a whole, I don't particularly care. I don't speak for others who may be misinformed.
It isn't raw power, I keep telling you this. What it is, is soul hax that stems from the same source as their AP.
@Kukui
There isn't any problem here with not equalising resistances or abilities granted by the energy. If we were to grant someone powers they don't have through verse equal, specifically something their energy has not shown an equivalent to, then we have a problem. I also don't think you can even verse equal Raven's magic to reiryoku unless its something inherent in all beings, exists even within matter as well, allows for one to interact with souls, cause paralysis, fear manip, soul destruction, stat amp etc as a side effect of using it.
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When did this ever happen? Because the only situation where this was ever implied was with Aizen vs Dangai Ichigo where he theorized that Ichigo converted his reiatsu into raw power but was later proven to be incorrect when Ichigo demolished everything Aizen threw at him, hax or otherwise, and was even acknowledged by Aizen that Ichigo was simply on another level to his form at the time.Konaguna said:
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