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[3-9-0] When there's trouble you know who to call: DIO! (Teen Titans vs. DIO)
Eden_Warlock99
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It's just about the layered fear hax claim. Layered hax is sorta a big deal, ya know.
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No it ain't? I was asked by Flashlight, it was never part of the match.
It isn't on the profile yet, nor do I even have it sorted out yet. There's a slew of shit. We'll get there when I drop the Dio CRT, by then I'll have compiled all the funny stand aura shit too.
I'm not arguing that though, in the match I'm arguing solely it absolutely cripples dudes with supwill and even dudes who have overcome that or have stupid will or don't fear this or that flee on sight. This is enough to straight up incap the TT.
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I mean, that requires her to immediately go for restraining TK(Something she rarely does) and to get past her own fear (Something IIRC Raven often has a hard time doing) AND to roll the dice on the off-chance Dio does verbal-based TS instead of Thought-based.
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Dio FRA, i don't even know how this got this far when they can't even make it past his layered passives this is silly lol
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Adding that Raven can make force fields while completely bound so The World grabbing her is null. Also on fear, how long does it actually work on people with combat experience? The Crusaders ran away after sensing DIO’s aura, but that didn’t stop them from continuing later. Keep in mind they were all affected heavily despite their SW. So who’s to say the Titans can’t get out of it in a similar way when they’re used to fighting villains and Raven can enter their minds plus has Empathic Manipulation? I just find it hard to believe that someone like Robin who’s seen worse than vampires would be too afraid to do anything at all, even retreat. All of the Titans witnessed literal Hell on Earth.
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Dio hax stomps.
MintyBoi1
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I’ve been cooking on Robin’s page and fixing some issues with the others.
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Tfw phasing. But yep let's just ignore accepted powers.
Forever, as long as they're in his presence.
Tf does combat experience have to do with anything?
Avdol LITERALLY FLED THE COUNTRY.
Edit: I lied, his ass fled the continent.
He had combat experience, quite a lot actually, hell he's the dude who took down Iggy before the start of the part. Dude was Part 4-5 Jotaro before Jotaro.
And no, not how this shit works, hate to break it to you but they don't have resistance. At all. You can't even argue supernatural will because Kakyoin had that too and was immobilized, hell Avdol had that too, the ONLY reason he managed to escape was because his prior knowledge of who and what Dio was enabled him to, not overcome his fear, but straight up flee fr his life never to turn back, which him admitting even if he didn't know ahead of time, he would've ended up the exact same as Kak.
Yeah, exactly, and that was 2 months of active training to overcome said fear in Kak's case.
The fact the Crusader's legit have better supernatural will? The fact even with supernatural will Avdol and Kak were crippled basically. The fact even with months of active training or just being a blatant notable exception (Jotaro's will power is 2nd among all JoJo's going by stats), they were STILL effected.
Dogass argument. It has nothing to do with Dio being spooky, it's a supernatural aura, it's hax. Dio didn't even have this in Part 1 really because it has nothing to do with being a vampire. And so? So has every Crusader, Kak was bound and had eyeballs and worms shoved down his throat as he was choked to death, boohoo.
That's very epic and cool and not at all an argument against supernatural fear hax none resist that can effect dudes with legitimately greater supernatural will than them anyway.
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this does nothing when nothing she has can interact with TW, she can't even perceive it lol. it legit just goes through and negs her
MintyBoi1
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Can I get an actual answer from you without all “oh you’re dumb, f you” stuff? It’s like you make every thread you’re involved in 200% more toxic, I can hold a conversation with everyone here but you. But to actually talk about what you said.
Ok fine he can phase. The force fields would’ve still pushed him back before he thought of activating that (DIO doesn’t use phasing on screen iirc and Jotaro only did it once to start Joseph’s heart. Not exactly something often used in battle) and then Raven flies out of range and grabs DIO because she knows he’s dangerous. I’m not ignoring anything.
What do you mean what does combat experience have to do with it? Of course there’s a difference between experienced fighters and randoms DIO mind controls.
Avdol’s experience is vague. All we know is he worked with Joseph and fought Iggy. Not exactly on the level of Bruno or anything.
All of your examples are still first time encounter type things, not prolonged exposure like what I’m asking about. The Crusaders were disabled briefly yes, but then they fought DIO with no reservations. Not much changed between the time they were in the castle and when Kakyoin set up the 20 meter Emerald Splash. I’d much rather we talk about what’s actually shown than just concluding fear hax that works for a limited time is the end all be all.
DIO’s fear hax isn’t even that potent in the grand scheme of things. The description says it can cause nausea and make people on edge but that’s not much to stop the Titans from using their tools. A few could be crippled but I don’t think they’ll all be, at least not for long.
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From what I got, only one TS will happen
And Rae's has no limitation of time
Dio's weakness directly says that people who can TS can move and think during Dio's TS.
If Rae survives for the time TS is happening (made easier cuz she can permit her friends to move) she can keep her TS and they completely and utterly wreck Dio
And Rae's has no limitation of time
Dio's weakness directly says that people who can TS can move and think during Dio's TS.
If Rae survives for the time TS is happening (made easier cuz she can permit her friends to move) she can keep her TS and they completely and utterly wreck Dio
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You have, way to many times for me to even humor you anymore. Read the profiles before you bring up shit that you've been told wouldn't work for those very exact reasons like ten times now before you bring it up again.
Don't care. Don't waste my time.
Yep.
Uh, newsflash, that's the default state.
They need to activate not being intangible.
Imagine being wrong,
Literally the first ever attack Jotaro EVER LAUNCHED, utilized his phasing, passing through prison bars to choke a mf.
There's numerous examples beyond just these 3.
Not even just for Plat, but for all Stands. Literally dozens.
"Dio wouldn't-", he says, ignoring Dio utilizes everything at his disposal (stated) and this ability being the default, not something he has to manually turn on.
Literally passive state. But yes, let's just presume Dio doesn't use a default built in literal basic premise of how Stands work because... Why exactly?
Dio can literally fly, and stop time.
She wouldn't know he's dangerous unless he already did stuff like flash freeze Robin or her killing them, mindhax some of them, bud, spore, etc. At which point he'd already won.
Literally all you've done.
Being experienced doesn't grant you resistances, to anything.
Oh we're talking mind control? That's even worse, there isn't any amount of combat experience that would enable you to just say no to mind control, what the hell are you on about?
We're told he's seen dozens and dozens of Stands and has been in many battles in the past throughout his life. It's WHY they got him to go get Iggy.
And it doesn't matter, combat experience ain't saving them, that isn't how the wiki works.
What? You realize this is a first time encounter, and the runback was months later
AFTER TRAINING TO DEVELOP RESISTANCE TO EXACTLY THAT
Kakyoin literally let Dio yap. Avdol FLED THE CONTINENT.
You think Avdol escaped the continent in like 5 seconds? No his ass was noping tf out for hours and hours.
The fact they were disabled at all, despite Kakyoin literally having trained to overcome that fear, Jotaro being built diff, etc, is beyond enough.
Wow, the dudes with supernatural will that's progressed well beyond what they had before with it being even explicitly noted in the case of Kakyoin and Avdol, doing better, than they did when they didn't have those months of working to overcome it, is somehow helping the TT how?
You love to just ignore context.
There's nothing to talk about. The TT don't resist shit. Dio's fear hax has shown to cripple and been stated to cripple dudes with Supwill.
"It made someone with super natural will vomit, shake uncontrollably, think he was gonna die, and unable to take action, it isn't gonna do anything tho" - you apparently.
He says while not even looking at what actually happened.
Yep, nausea, also made him paralyzed in fear and actively become elated when he realized he was gonna become a minion.
Not how this works, "I don't think-", isn't an argument. None have resistance. Dio's fear manip has effected those who have sup will too if that's the argument. It effected dudes, though to a less degree, who have actively trained to avoid that situation again. They're ******, they'll be like Kak, unable to even move or act.
Which, mind you, is literally on the profile, again.
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The dude who can spam it.
Yeah instead she has a limitation in even being able to use it at all
Reading comprehension. It says, imperative word, "may". Not "will". That is because, of course, they too, need to resist it from the getgo. If they resist time stop, they can overtake his with their own, if they do not, well no shit they can't?
He says ignoring fear manip they don't resist at all regardless of the excessive amount of coping. The mind hax, the fact he's literally MFTL and one time stop is all he needs to kill half of them, spore half them, yadda yadda, etc.
Eden_Warlock99
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'Tis the way of democracy.
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I just got here, and if what I'm about to address is already discussed, please tell me so I can catch up real quick.
I get the fear hax is the key to DIO's win condition, but his Part 3 version isn't the type to immediately use his old vampire abilities right off the bat. There's a really high chance that he'll just go for fighting, and get stonewalled long enough for someone like Cyborg (who has some resistance, though layering makes that worse) or Raven to snap out just long enough to quickly one-shot.
I get the fear hax is the key to DIO's win condition, but his Part 3 version isn't the type to immediately use his old vampire abilities right off the bat. There's a really high chance that he'll just go for fighting, and get stonewalled long enough for someone like Cyborg (who has some resistance, though layering makes that worse) or Raven to snap out just long enough to quickly one-shot.
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Fear hax isn't a vampire ability, it's a passive ability of The World. And also something he used in every encounter he's ever been in, within Part 3 for the most part to some degree.
Also, he does use vampire abilities when the situation calls for it? It's flatout stated?
Literally no? You realize Dio only ever engaged fights he was sure he'd win.
He is explicitly noted to be hyper cautious, never take risks without prior knowledge, and avoids fighting directly or at all if possible.
He also actively tries to recruit first if he thinks someone will aid his goals, even against enemies that want him dead. Which, kinda bad, the TT aren't gonna try to on sight him.
Raven isn't snapping out of anything.
Cyborg doesn't resist every method, and his resistance is negligible as it is.
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I was talking about the spores and vampire hypnosis.
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Spores... He only ever used in Part 3? He didn't even have that back in Part 1. He used Buds and Spores against 3 of his on screen encounters (Literally half the crusaders), and was stated to have used them off screen against the majority of those he's engaged with (Stated in Part 4 of all things). It's also literally his canon lead against usable pawns.
Hypnosis... is literally just something he can do on eye contact. It doesn't need to be a lead when the genius who is stated to use eerything at his disposal and will adapt on the fly depending on the situation can just use it in a instant.
I translated some of this before, but Dio has a lot of random intel yap (this whole thing is just glazing his caution, planning, and intelligence), glazing, or just detailing of why he did shit the way he did. In general, in multiple things. I'm really not sure where this meme of Dio would never do this or that comes from.
