Ichigo and Aizen resistances upgrade

[KillerNerd007]

Hello everyone, I have a few proposed upgrades for Ichigo and Aizen. I felt that when reading Bleach these are needed and by the standards of the wiki should also be accepted. Now if I turn out to be wrong about some of these things, alright, but here are my upgrades:

Ichigo resistances:

-Existence erasure: Ichigo was able to exist around Aizen without a problem, even when Aizen was amped and bloodlusted to the point he can damage Ichigo, was still able to withstand the effects.

-Deconstruction (atomization): Kurohitsugi was stated to be atomization, as accepted by the wiki's standards, and Ichigo is also accepted as resisting Kurohitsugi, meaning Ichigo should also have atomization resistances.

Aizen resistances:

-Existence erasure (not via power scaling): We know that in Bleach if you have reiatsu that your body is unable to handle then it ***** you up, we see this with occurrences of when the raw power is too much or when the reiatsu has properties that you can’t resist (Hollows for Quincy, the power of Hollows is something Quincy don’t resist so they get slapped by it) so in this case we know Aizen’s reiatsu has EE properties so the fact that he’s not being negged in a similar way to how Quincies would Hollows then it shows that he can resist it. This should be consistent as Mayuri (someone who has knowledge on every Bankai) states that no weapon can kill Aizen, which includes accepted existence erasure abilities like Yamamoto's.

-All effects of Kurohitsugi: Aizen took a direct hit from his Kurohitsugi at point blank range and didn't get phased by it.

 

[KillerNerd007]

Bump

 

[KingTempest]

You bump after 24 hours. Not 24 minutes

 

[KillerNerd007]

You bump after 24 hours. Not 24 minutes

I didn't know.

 

[Deceived3596]

I'm in agreement with all the proposed additions.

 

[joshpiece]

Bump

neutral on the EE stuff but the rest I agree with

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

I agree as well, the mechanics the verse sets up early and expands upon later make this rather clear cut imo.

 

[Deceived3596]

Bump

 

[joshpiece]

No

imo

no

 

[Deceived3596]

No

1st: Meat Rider

2nd: Tyki Mikk solo's One Piece

3rd: Tank > Your PFP #1

4th: SM Jiraiya > SM Naruto

5th: Yu Kanda outskills both Zoro and Mihawk

6th: Eat Dick and Balls

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Agree

 

[skippy]

Yeah Agree with this

 

[AppleLord]

Didn’t Ichigo butchslapp hado 90 before it did anything?

 

[skippy]

Didn’t Ichigo butchslapp hado 90 before it did anything?

Well we see it fully close and start to take effect and Ichigo was in there for a couple seconds.

 

[Damage3245]

-Existence erasure: Ichigo was able to exist around Aizen without a problem, even when Aizen was amped and bloodlusted to the point he can damage Ichigo, was still able to withstand the effects.

Isn't it only beings who are extremely weak compared to Aizen who get subjected to this effect? (Like humans/fodder Shinigami) Not just anyone.

 

[Arcker123]

Agree to all.

 

[Jibz]

-Existence erasure: Ichigo was able to exist around Aizen without a problem, even when Aizen was amped and bloodlusted to the point he can damage Ichigo, was still able to withstand the effects.

This is only against fodder-kun's though iirc

 

[AppleLord]

Isn't it only beings who are extremely weak compared to Aizen who get subjected to this effect? (Like humans/fodder Shinigami) Not just anyone.

This is why we should have added resistance to all hax to everyone based on having higher Reiatsu.

 

[Jibz]

This is why we should have added resistance to all hax to everyone based on having higher Reiatsu.

I haven't read bleach in a while, but is the EE based on the difference in rebaits causing people to disintegrate?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Isn't it only beings who are extremely weak compared to Aizen who get subjected to this effect? (Like humans/fodder Shinigami) Not just anyone.

No, Aizen’s EE reiatsu aura is just super close to his body, like arms distance. So existing kinda near Aizen wouldn’t warrant resistance, however if you’re getting into distance close enough to touch (Ichigo grabbed Aizen’s face) then it would warrant.

 

[Duedate8898]

Isn't there already a thread for this?

 

[Arcker123]

Isn't there already a thread for this?

There are more resistances covered here than in the other thread

 

[KillerNerd007]

Isn't there already a thread for this?

Its more so resistances being covered.

 

[KillerNerd007]

Isn't it only beings who are extremely weak compared to Aizen who get subjected to this effect? (Like humans/fodder Shinigami) Not just anyone.

Not exactly. When Aizen was being released from the prison, Shunsui told them to not get close and then the guard got his hands erased, then right after that, Aizen tells everyone in the room to not get close to him because they know what will happen, so it could imply that someone as strong as Shunsui, would also get erased.

 

[Duedate8898]

Fine with all of the resistances for Ichigo, fine with Aizen getting resistance to Kurohitsugi. Not agreeing with resistance to EE for Aizen though. The reasonings for weapons not being able to kill Aizen could be because of resistance or it could also be because of his regeneration. That one reason or another that Mayuri mentions isn't really elaborated on, so no on that.

 

[KillerNerd007]

Fine with all of the resistances for Ichigo, fine with Aizen getting resistance to Kurohitsugi. Not agreeing with resistance to EE for Aizen though. The reasonings for weapons not being able to kill Aizen could be because of resistance or it could also be because of his regeneration. That one reason or another that Mayuri mentions isn't really elaborated on, so no on that.

It was there as supporting evidence, but the main points included that Aizen needs a body to resist the effects of his existence erasure (we have 3 total instances of if Reiatsu effects are too strong, than your body will be messed up), yet the fact Aizen doesn't get messed up by this could show that his body has resistances to it.

 

[KillerNerd007]

This is only against fodder-kun's though iirc

Was never stated to be such. The fact Aizen threatens Shunsui's existence as well does show that it works on strong people like Captains.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Not agreeing with resistance to EE for Aizen though. The reasonings for weapons not being able to kill Aizen could be because of resistance or it could also be because of his regeneration. That one reason or another that Mayuri mentions isn't really elaborated on, so no on that.

The argument is more than that. Ichigo displays that in SS Arc, you have to be strong enough to withstand your own reiatsu aura (aka your own reiatsu aura is inherently harmful to you unless you resist it):

We know that in Bleach if you have reiatsu that your body is unable to handle then it ***** you up, we see this with occurrences of when the raw power is too much or when the reiatsu has properties that you can’t resist (Hollows for Quincy, the power of Hollows is something Quincy don’t resist so they get slapped by it) so in this case we know Aizen’s reiatsu has EE properties so the fact that he’s not being negged in a similar way to how Quincies would Hollows then it shows that he can resist it.

Does Aizen's regen cover regening from EE? Cuz it would need to for you to dismiss giving him resistance due to the possibility of being able to regen from it.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Mugetsu was a technique all of Ichigo power and manga kinda shows Ichigo completely erased monster Aizen.
Check this if it can help. Quincy powers does erases things.

 

[LordGinSama]

Aizen can regenerate from EE, he's low Godly.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Aizen can regenerate from EE, he's low Godly.

In that case I'm more neutral on Aizen having EE resistance.

 

[KillerNerd007]

Mugetsu was a technique all of Ichigo power and manga kinda shows Ichigo completely erased monster Aizen.
Check this if it can help. Quincy powers does erases things.

I will mention Aizen's regeneration in the future at some point.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I will mention Aizen's regeneration in the future at some point.

Oh. My bad i sent wrong scans.

 

[KillerNerd007]

Any more mods coming here?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

That’s not how you get staff involvement you’d have to message their walls

 

[Deceived3596]

Any more mods coming here?

No

 

[Reio35]

Fine with all of the resistances for Ichigo, fine with Aizen getting resistance to Kurohitsugi. Not agreeing with resistance to EE for Aizen though. The reasonings for weapons not being able to kill Aizen could be because of resistance or it could also be because of his regeneration. That one reason or another that Mayuri mentions isn't really elaborated on, so no on that.

"なんて力だ…瓦磯まで跡形も無く.
What a power ... There is no trace of the debris."

Aizens black coffin in his butterfly form was stated to be atomization and in his muken form he got much stronger and it now erases things without a trace which aizen Also tanked.

 

[Duedate8898]

"なんて力だ…瓦磯まで跡形も無く.
What a power ... There is no trace of the debris."

Aizens black coffin in his butterfly form was stated to be atomization and in his muken form he got much stronger and it now erases things with a trace which aizen Also tanked.

I agreed that Aizen deserves Resistance to his black coffin, so not sure why you're just giving further proof for that. Unless you're trying to say he has EE with it, which in that case no, the given explanation for the technique would only give it deconstruction, gravity manipulation and space-time manipulation which is the reason no trace of debris is left.

 

[speedster352]

I agree with op fra

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

The only point of contention rn is whether or not Aizen should get EE resistance.

The pro side being that since Aizen can withstand his own reiatsu he resists it (harkening back to when Ichigo was injured by his own reiatsu for not being strong enough).

The con side being Aizen can already regen from EE so he doesn't need to be resisting it.