"I Will Kill Kenjaku" - Kenjaku vs Yuta

[Arkenis]

One can come up and just vote for the first guy's reasons.

If that reason is viable then the fra is fine. If it's not then their vote shouldn't be taken, especially if they aren't gonna explain or argue against the counters already presented for the reason. And its really to see how much the person paid attention to the arguments beforehand. This really has nothing to do with win cons, but if the character has two and their more achievable then its obvious he should be voted for. This isn't the thread for this though, so whenever my thread gets active or you wanna ask a mod then go there.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

This doesn't change anything. One can come up and just vote for the first guy's reasons without reading counter arguments. And how tf would it work if 1 char has only 1 wincoin against a character instead of 2

One wincon/ability from a character wouldn’t prevent it as a second reason could always just be something from the opponent like them not immediately going for the kill in character for example being a reason why the other character would win

 

[M3X_2.0]

Whatever scenario he goes with, he would have the advantage in h2h as sky manipulation would keep Kenjaku away and Jacob's Ladder would instantly kill all the spirits he releases if he makes it his domain sure hit.

Also regarding this, it's funny how they were giving h2h combat to Kenjaku. What will he do? It's a 2v1, one of the characters against you will hit you like a ******* truck, and has enough strength to hold you completely. The other is tanky as hell give his CE pool.

Yuta has: Sky Manipulation to avoid every and all hits; Cursed Speech to make Kenjaku stand still and get clean hits; G Warstaff to predict his movements and avoid it; Dhruv's Shikigamis for distraction and for more damage and Shrine for a surprise attack.

There is absolutely no fvcking way Kenjaku will even bother Yuta on a h2h combat.

 

[Catbowtie]

I made a staff thread specifically for this issue.

Can only Staff talk in the Thread or...?

 

[Arkenis]

Can only Staff talk in the Thread or...?

Yeah, unless one gets permission.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Can only Staff talk in the Thread or...?

A staff needs to give permission to non staff to reply unless they’re the OP

 

[Catbowtie]

Yeah, unless one gets permission.

Gotcha, all I was going to say is that The Hunter matches are a glaring example of people coming in, voting whoever has the most votes FRA, then dipping out.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Yeah, unless one gets permission.

oh fvck

 

[M3X_2.0]

Anyway back to the match, funny how my comment from the Kashimo Vs Yuta thread still holds true to this one:

So, Kashimo will have to deal with:

• Yuta using multiple different CT consecutively
• Having to guess which CTs because he has no knowledge on what Yuta has
• Having to work his way around Sky Manipulation
• Having to worry about Cursed Speech (if he ever fot a second chance that is, first time he won’t know what’s coming)
• If or when Yuta opens a Domain he will get both his hands occupied and won’t fight properly
• 2v1 because Rika is as strong as Yuta and probably tankier.
• Long range attacks
• His opponent constantly regenerates
• His opponent has better stamina

In short, he loses. Yuta takes this.

Let's put your CRT to test @Arkenis. Bunch of Kenjaku arguments were debunked. Let's see how many will still vote.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Unfortunately. Begrudgingly I gotta switch my Kenjaku Vote to a Yuta one. Since most of Kenjaku’s potential wincons have been argued against pretty well

 

[M3X_2.0]

You can still vote Kenjaku if you want, he has wincons.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

You can still vote Kenjaku if you want, he has wincons.

I only say Begrudgingly cause I’m biased against Yuta

 

[Arkenis]

Unfortunately. Begrudgingly I gotta switch my Kenjaku Vote to a Yuta one. Since most of Kenjaku’s potential wincons have been argued against pretty well

You can still vote Kenjaku if you want, he has wincons.

Yeah bro you don't gotta switch. Kenjaku has good win cons, he's a crazy barrier user, its possible he can dismantle Yuta's barrier in a faster time than 3 minutes and surprise Yuta with a quickly recovered gravity hit or retreat and try a different approach. Meanwhile Yuta's only got five minutes to use his techs and after that he's gotta engage regularly.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

One wincon/ability from a character wouldn’t prevent it as a second reason could always just be something from the opponent like them not immediately going for the kill in character for example being a reason why the other character would win

Let's say both chars usually get serious under battle situations, can counter most of each other's hax/abilties, but character A has 1 wincoin that Character B can't counter (let's say Explosion Manip). How are we supposed to vote for 2 reasons?

 

[Tomfer]

I don't think Kenny's domain even targets inanimate objects alongside people. The whole reason Sukuna's domain counters normal domains is that its slashes target everything within its range. So Yuta isn't even at risk here, especially not if he uses a compressed domain.

H2h isn't an issue for Yuta, especially not with Rika in play. Kenjaku gets supersonic+ from Yuki, who is accepted as scaling to CG Yuta, and Yuta is certainly faster than he was before, so speed is in no way an issue for him.

We already know that Rika was able to counter millions of curses, so that's not a problem either. Yuta can overwhelm Kenny with his copied techniques in his domain or while using 5 minute mode. He's got access to Cursed Speech, Sky Manipulation, Dhruv's Technique, Precognition from G Warstaff, Jacob's Ladder, and the like to do the job.

Voting Yuta

Anyway, Yuta FRA.

Kenjaku’s Domain wouldn’t insta-break Yuta's as it also didn’t break Yuki’s SD. Kenjaku also said she’d have better chances with her own DE. Yuta has better barrier refinement then Yuki by feats and statements, and will obviously shrink his own DE once Kenjaku opens his, giving him more than enough time to use JL or any other CT/attacks that will avoid Kenjaku from being able to maintain his DE active.

Funny how everyone says that Kenjaku and Gojo are equal in hand-to-hand when that’s w/o CE, and referring to skill, which JJK isn’t that well known for and even the best fighters like Toji/Maki don’t have much to back them up. Kenjaku’s only hand-to-hand feats are Vs. Choso who, again, isn’t well known for, and a depowered Star-Rage Yuki. If it gets to the point of a physical combat, then the fight is effectively a 2v1 where Rika has enough strength to send Sukuna flying around Yuta’s DE and has enough LS to hold his arms still. Yuta will very likely use any of his Cursed Tools like the steel arms or the arms Yuji used that can withstand Sukuna’s Dismantles. And in combat, Yuta will also use Sky Manipulation to avoid getting hit, Cursed Speech to have advantage over Kenjaku and to get clean hits, and G Warstaff to predict his movements.

Again, Kenjaku’s only offensive CT is Antigravity System and it had a cooldown to be used, and it’s not lethal considering it was not killing/dealing heavy damage to anyone besides when it’s infused on his DE. Cursed Spirit Manipulation is completely useless as Yuta can very much handle any of them by his own, Rika can tear them apart since they’re pretty much shit, also RCT output from both Rika & Yuta and JL. Uzumaki has such a wide charge window that’s just not a real move for him to use. Try to use Uzumaki and Yuta will have like 5 different ways to finish the fight right there. Tiny Uzumakis also won’t work, Yuta has enough CE to constantly protect his body and has previous knowledge about it.

Kenjaku’s only real wincon here is his DE, and that’s not even something he’s actively using as his first move. Even if he does, Yuta will counter, and it will give him enough time to use any of his wincons that are much more certain than Kenjaku’s.

Yuta FRA.

 

[Arkenis]

7 Yuta - 6 Kenjaku. Unless I'm missing someone.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

7 Yuta - 6 Kenjaku. Unless I'm missing someone.

Jack switched his vote. That's 8-5

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Yuta FRA.

 

[Shmooply]

Bush camper for reasons above.

I was right once again.

 

[Da3ggman]

Switching my vote to Yuta FRA

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

10 Yuta - 3 Kenjaku

Real asf

 

[Arkenis]

Thought I was gonna have to ride for Kenny.

 

[Rutæhh]

couldnt yuta change the size of his domain? is that exclusive to when hes in gojo's body

 

[NARONG_SUVAN]

Kenjaku h2h is great but he not gonna survive Yuta and Rika combo.

His only real threat to yuta is gravity and it’s can be easily counter if you already known how it’s work.

 

[M3X_2.0]

10 Yuta - 3 Kenjaku

Real asf

You know what’s funny, everyone in the JJK general thread kept saying Kenjaku wins but when they have to actually prove it they can’t.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Bushcamping mf FRA

Kenjaku's main wincon was always his open domain considering what we saw with how easily CSM was dealt with. With Yuta knowing Gojo's barrier trick he should take it

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

I revived just for this.

IIRC Yuta kept up with Geto in CQC using Rika and that's when he was like 3 months into training, assuming Kenjaku has the exact same H2H capabilities as Geto then he is ******, even if we assume he is better than Geto he is still ****** considering how Yuta took a whole ass year to train with Miguel.

At best they are equals, at worst Kenjaku is ****** when he goes for hands.

Also, just saying but Yuta's CT burnout after a domain last less than a minute given his fight in the CG so even if we assume Kenny destroys his domain Yuta would need mere moments to start going ham again.

 

[Arkenis]

Also, just saying but Yuta's CT burnout after a domain last less than a minute given his fight in the CG so even if we assume Kenny destroys his domain Yuta would need mere moments to start going ham again.

Same with Kenny, they were surprised when he got his back.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Bushcamping mf FRA

Kenjaku's main wincon was always his open domain considering what we saw with how easily CSM was dealt with. With Yuta knowing Gojo's barrier trick he should take it

To be fair, there is a big difference between dealing with Curses manipulated by Kenjaku's intelligence and abilities, and some dumb curses going on a rampage without properly showing their abilities. It was like they were lining up on the bridge just so Rika could squash them.

 

[CBslayeR]

Wasn't the whole reason they jumped him in Shinjinku showdown with Todo and Yuta because they knew Yuta would win; they just wanted to make sure he had as much CE as possible for Sukuna

 

[Arkenis]

Wasn't the whole reason they jumped him in Shinjinku showdown with Todo and Yuta because they knew Yuta would win; they just wanted to make sure he had as much CE as possible for Sukuna

Nah. They wanted them to jump so Yuta wouldn't be away from fighting Suknua with the main force.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Nah. They wanted them to jump so Yuta wouldn't be away from fighting Suknua with the main force.

He said exactly that lmao

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

This is probably my last reply. Not interested in continuing this discussion any futher. I wanted to atleast elaborate on my end because my first arguments were lacking I guess. If this feels like a Yap session, feel free to skip it. I'm not expecting anyone to change sides or anything. So really don't care if anyone interested in reading long paragraphs or not.

Kenny/Geto H2H CQC skills are compared to Gojo. He is gonna use some curses to fend Rika for few seconds and sneaks in Mini Uzumaki and kills Yuta while overwhelming him in CQC. Domain battle would obviously go to Kenny due to Open Barriers. Kenny is implied to be no.2 barrier user in the verse so he can swap conditions and break Yuta's domain if there are any arguments made for Yuta can shrink his domain blah blah blah.

There are other arguments can be made for Kenny but not really interested in long paragraphs spam. So count my Vote on this with the above reasons.

Voting Kenny.

Same argument but gonna add some more stuff looking at Yuta side arguments.

• Kenjaku has DA. He should be able to handle Sky Manipulation with that and switch between Curse Manipulation or Gravity Manipulation. Curse Manipulation can be used to reduce the damage, or Kenjaku can just sacrifice the curses to absorb the damage from Rika's hits if necessary. He also has acrobatic skills. Rika landed hits on Sukuna with the help of Yuta and Yuji assisting her. While Sukuna was a single person with nothing to use as a sacrifice to take the damage, Kenjaku has curses. He can also reinforce them with his CE, IIRC.
• I don't understand why people are acting like H2H skills are being argued as win conditions for Kenjaku. It just gives him the edge against Yuta. Kenjaku, with superior CQC skills, should be capable of dodging hits from Yuta, similar to how Yuji did during the Shibuya incident (though Yuta was holding back his power, skills were never really mentioned there). Even Yuta was complimenting Yuji's skills in that situation. So, I would say Kenjaku has enough of a skill gap to dodge Yuta's hits.
• Kenjaku can buy enough time to switch barrier conditions with his curse abilities, like the one he used in Shibuya (one which messed with Yuji's perception). As we saw with Gojo vs. Sukuna, it only takes seconds to break the barriers with just a hand sign. So even if Rika and Yuta deal with Kenjaku's curse spam, he only needs a small amount of time to switch the barrier conditions. Besides, when the Sure Hit hits Yuta and Rika, they would get cooked (or at least seriously injured). Due to his experience with Yuki, I would say he would kill Yuta before giving him time to recover like Yuki did.
• Kenjaku should be able to counter all of Yuta's copied CT with Domain Amplification, except for Cleave, the energy beam, and likely Angel’s CT. Energy beam can be countered with his own Uzumaki if necessary. Cleave is the only main issue here but need to touch so you know unless it's targetted at his neck or above don't see much of an issue.
• Yuta can't use multiple cursed techniques at the same time. Additionally, Kenjaku should have knowledge of Cursed Speech since Yuta used it against Geto, so I can definitely see him using ear reinforcements to counter it. Charles' CT is useful, but if Yuta uses it, he won't be able to use other CTs as mentioned above (unless it's inside his domain). I would still argue that Kenjaku would use some curses to reduce the damage from Yuta's attacks. He would be prepared this time, unlike the sneak attack he faced in Shinjuku. Angel’s CT is dangerous for cursed spirits, but if Yuta uses it, Rika also gets affected (unless it's only targeted at Kenjaku which is only possible inside his domain). Kenjaku and Yuta's domains should logically cancel each other’s sure-hit effect, similar to how Sukuna and Gojo's domains cancelled each other. So ones sure hit attacking other when both domain are active shouldn't be even argued. When Angel used it on Sukuna, it covered the entire area, targeting Yuji and Todo. So, it's not something easily controlled without a domain's sure-hit effect.
• Lastly, Rika dealt with curses which were on rampage though they were running straight at her on the Bridge without any coordination or aim to attack Rika. Dealing with Kenny's coordinated curses shouldn't be the same when they attack from all sides with Kenny's CE Reinforcements.
• Bonus: Todo implying Yuta not being able to succeed in Killing Kenny even while he was weakened from Takaba fight. Statement comes from a guy whose IQ surpassing anyone in the verse.

So anyway I'm still Voting Kenny.

 

[Arkenis]

He said exactly that lmao

Nah added this

jumped him in Shinjinku showdown with Todo and Yuta because they knew Yuta would win;

They did not know bro was gonna win.

 

[CBslayeR]

i gotta reread sorry chat

 

[That_moron2]

Yuta felt the need to bring Takaba and Todo to the fight with Kenjaku. He has a superior domain, superior skill to Geto who could match Yuta and Rika's combo even if he can't deal with it with skill he can use the gravity to crush them

 

[M3X_2.0]

Lmao

 

[GunshyFever]

Voting for Kenny via Elde's reasonings above.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Bushcamping mf FRA

Kenjaku's main wincon was always his open domain considering what we saw with how easily CSM was dealt with. With Yuta knowing Gojo's barrier trick he should take it

Grace has begun here by the way

 

[That_moron2]

Y'all what about the fact that they just say they have to jump Kenjaku