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Hunter x Hunter Overhaul (Scaling)

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ShadowWhoWalks said:
Personally I wouldn't go higher than pulverization as there are fragments.
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The fragments do not change nor counter the sufficient evidence for Vaporization in both the colored, and the anime interpretations. As explained, explosions still cause very violent shockwaves that go beyond its fireball, and as the fireball does not cover the entire plateu, obviously the surviving rock would be fragmented from said shockwave to some extent.
ShadowWhoWalks said:
Youpi's Rage Blasts was downgrade from vaporization to pulverization due to debris.
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There is no point in telling me this, as I also don't agree with said change. There is no dust in the crater and the very few debris next to a pillar are likely from the pillar itself due to the shockwave.
ShadowWhoWalks said:
The explosion is from exposition about the bomb Netero used. Not being completed expanded doesn't exaggerate the result, so it is still acceptable. Don't see how it is far-fetched.
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It is still a different explosion, with an assumed height. It downplays the result, outright. The destruction caused by the bomb is far wider than the initial expansiob, as shown here.
ShadowWhoWalks said:
Chaos got the height of the hill from an other calc of his using two methods.
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Great. I stand by Chaos' calc then. We will just have to replace the values with the New Meruem height.
ShadowWhoWalks said:
Imo, this panel would be more reliable
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I agree.
ShadowWhoWalks said:
More powerful Aura than pre-training Netero.
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Both scenarios are not to be compared, because they are effectively doing different things. This is due to how Nen works in the first place, if you just raise your Aura with no offensive intent, it will cause nothing but a small pressure to the adversary, but, if you do have an aura with the intent to harm/kill, THEN said Aura will cause something to said opponent, as explained by Wing.

  • Morel being afraid of Gon's offensive aura means that Gon is stronger than Morel, sure.
  • Morel being intimidated by Netero's INOFFENSIVE Aura also mean that Netero is stronger than Morel.

Both are not comparable, however, as we do not know what would have happened if Netero were to direct said aura with killing intent to Morel.

I do know that Nen is supposed to shield you from harm/kill intent from other Nen User, but we know it simply doesn't when one's aura is just too overwhelming, such as Killua vs Rammot, and Knov vs Pitou. The latter not even receiving killing intent from Pitou, just its sheer aura.
ShadowWhoWalks said:
Killua also comments that enraged Gon's Aura is significantly more powerful then before:
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That does not suffice as supporting evidence for your point in particular, as it only suggest "Enraged Gon > Gon", which is very redundant.
 
GodlyCharmander said:
The fragments do not change nor counter the sufficient evidence for Vaporization in both the colored, and the anime interpretations. As explained, explosions still cause very violent shockwaves that go beyond its fireball, and as the fireball does not cover the entire plateu, obviously the surviving rock would be fragmented from said shockwave to some extent.

There is no point in telling me this, as I also don't agree with said change. There is no dust in the crater and the very few debris next to a pillar are likely from the pillar itself due to the shockwave.
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I agree, especially given this scene of the aftermath of Youpi's Rage blast from distance.

I argued for this in the upgrade thread of old.
 
So have you reached any conclusions here already?
 
Okay. It is good that you are trying to find solutions here then.

Can somebody explain what has been agreed so far in an easy to understand manner please?
 
Antvasima said:
Can somebody explain what has been agreed so far in an easy to understand manner please?
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Most seem to agree to re-calculate Meruem's Height in the least amount of steps possible so we can scale some of feats more accurately.

We are still discussing if we should either pulverization or vaporization for Meruem's and Youpi's Rage Blast, but agreement seems to be towards Vaporization.


Gon scaling above Base Netero seems to be rejected by the majority due to lack of a direct comparison between the two.

Other points such as whose calc is more reliable are still being debated with no signs of general agreement yet.
 
GodlyCharmander said:
Most seem to agree to re-calculate Meruem's Height in the least amount of steps possible so we can scale some of feats more accurately.

We are still discussing if we should either pulverization or vaporization for Meruem's and Youpi's Rage Blast, but agreement seems to be towards Vaporization.


Gon scaling above Base Netero seems to be rejected by the majority due to lack of a direct comparison between the two.

Other points such as whose calc is more reliable are still being debated with no signs of general agreement yet.
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Do you think using something like 50% vaporization and 50% violent frag/pulverization seems fine?
 
GodlyCharmander said:
Most seem to agree to re-calculate Meruem's Height in the least amount of steps possible so we can scale some of feats more accurately.

We are still discussing if we should either pulverization or vaporization for Meruem's and Youpi's Rage Blast, but agreement seems to be towards Vaporization.


Gon scaling above Base Netero seems to be rejected by the majority due to lack of a direct comparison between the two.

Other points such as whose calc is more reliable are still being debated with no signs of general agreement yet.
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Okay. After you make a decision, please link to all of the relevant visual evidence, so I can ask a few members for help with calculating it.
 
LIFE_OF_KING said:
What the hell is going on? I tried 15 times to calculate Meruem's height in this scene and the result was always 1.40

I imagine 1.40 is obviously wrong for the character
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Naturally. I still insist on using the Anime for this. While it's not perfect, it's certainly more accurate than the Manga.
 
Probably? The manga is extremely inconsistent in art and according to Shadow same in anime
 
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Theendzero13 said:
It comes via upscaling from youpi
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I see. Then depending on how this thread goes, that value may change.
Theendzero13 said:
I do not know about what 8-A + chrollo calc you are refering, but if it is the human bombs we came to a conclusion that the calc had problems
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That's fine, but I'm just saying that it's still being used in the profiles. So we need to find a scaling alternative for these characters as well.
 
Theendzero13 said:
You mean the 8-A calc used on the profiles?
That one got recalculated to high 8-C , and will be gonne after the revision
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Sounds good. Someone should place all the accepted calculations in a blog or something (or on the verse page), so we can know exactly what we have to work with.
 
Theendzero13 said:
I will be using databook stats as supporting evidence since those have little to no contradictions


God tiers:
Those are proxies until we find better feats for them

Meruem: 1 killoton, far above pitou and youpi, can overpower them with casual attacks

Youpi: 730 tons, his calc, higher with transformations

Pitou (base): 730 tons stated to be the king top soldier by illumi and to have strenght second only to the king in side material

Adult gon: 1 killoton, easely defeated and overpowered base pitou with a nenless kick, pitou was afraid he would go after the king, his binding vow has several similarities to netero's zero hand binding vow and likely has similar power , 10 killotons with rock

Netero: 55 tons, could not damage a royal guard like pitou but due to being an enhancer and having 5/5 stats for nen and body in the databooks he should be far above the likes of uvogin, 1 killoton with zero hand, damaged meruem

(Puppet) pitou: 1 killoton far stronger than before, took many attacks from adult gon before being killed

High tiers:
- uvogin: 55 tons, his calc, chrollo though it was impossible to defeat him with raw power and is physically the strongest of the troupe, 550 tons with big bang impact

-kurapika (with emperor time) : 27,5 tons matched uvo who was using 50% of his power

-chrollo: 27,5 tons hisoka is interested in fighting him than fighting any other troupe member or kurapika , called the strongest member of the troupe in side material, has 4 and 4 stats for nen and body in the databooks while kurapika has 3 and 4

- hisoka: 27,5 tons physically stronger than chrollo

-zeno: 27,5 tons matched chrollo

- silva: 27,5 tons matched chrollo, one-shotted the squadron leader cheetu

- razor: 27,5 tons stronger than hisoka

-base Kurapika: 16,67 tons around 40% weaker than when emperor time is active

-Pouf: at least 27,5 tons the weakest royal guard, could not one-shot members of the invasion team like his collegues, homever as a royal and having
5/5 nen and body stats in the databooks he should be above the likes of hisoka and chrollo who only have 4/4 stats

-Kite: 27,5 tons even with one arm gave small bruises to a newborn pitou who is called the strongest opponent gon and killua ever fought putting it above razor,hisoka and chrollo, gave trouble to knuckle and shoot combined even as a reanimated corpse

CA Killua: 27,5 tons took little to no damage from ikalgo's bullets who can do heavy damage to royal guard trained squadron leaders like welfin who should be comparable to base zarzam, easely took down multiple jets and tanks while fatigued, brovada another squadron leader needed multiple attacks and strugled to take one tank down, one shotted rammot an officer ant, defeated leol's squad composed of 4+ officers and multiple peons without using his yo-yos and only briefily using his nen ability , despite the squad using strategy to gain an edge, has 4/4 databook stats, 275 with ko

CA Gon : 27,5 tons comparable to killua, defeated 3 chimera officers despite getting multiple hits from them he did not suffer any serious damage at all and retaliated with one-shots, 275 tons with rock

Morel: 27,5 tons comparable to killua, can beat squadron leaders without much trouble

Shoot: 27,5 tons comparable to killua

Knucke: 27,5 tons comparable to killua

Knov: 27,5 tons comparable to morel

Illumi: 27,5 tons comparable to hisoka and likely above killua

Phinks: 27,5 tons a little above feitan and comparable to hisoka, up to 275 tons with ripper cycloton( thought he could beat zarzam )

Feitan: 27,5 tons pain packer ignores durability via heat, 275 with ko

Zazam (base) : 27,5 tons matched feitan

Transformed zazam: 27.5, tons with at least 275 tons in durability tanked feitan ko attack but could not seriously harm him

Machi: 27,5 tons comparable to nobunaga though that she could kill hisoka

Nobunaga: 27,5 tons comparable to machi, possibly stronger than phinks as killua was more scared of him than phinks and nobunaga though he could take phinks down

Franklin: 27,5 tons comparable to nobunaga, though he could kill hisoka

Shizuku: 0026 tons lost an arm wrestle to yorknew gon homever she was not using her dominant arm 27,5 tons with blink, conjurers can put can put more aura on their weapons than in their bodies one-shoted full power nobunaga with a surprise attack

Bonolenov : 27,5 tons comparable to nobunaga, 275 tons with jupiter(though he could kill zarzam)

Mid tiers:

GI Gon: 2,75 tons needed rock to match razor's power, 27,5 tons with rock

GI: killua: 2,75 tons comparable to gon, 27,5 tons with ko

Rammot: 2,75 tons stronger than greedy island gon and killua

Genthru: 2,75 tons stronger than GI Gon, 5,5 tons with little flower ( the explosion uses twice as much aura as a punch ) ,
55 tons with countdown( 10 times stronger than little flower )


Low tiers:

Yorknew gon: 0,026 tons performed a feat on this level very early in greed island before getting any physical training

Yorknew killua: 0,026 tons comparable to gon

Pakunoda: 0,026 tons got damaged by yorknew gon and killua but still stronger than then

Kortopi: unknown, lacks physical feats

Shalnark: 0,026 tons comparable to pakunoda, was unsure on his ability to damage a peon chimera ant, far higher with autopilot one-shotted a peon chimera ant

Kalluto: 0,026 tons weaker than shalnark , but should be comparable to yorknew killua


So basically the scaling goes from 9-A from the fodders up to 7-C with gon's strongest attack, but the god tiers scaling is bound to change
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That is the current scaling, if we decide that M3X version of the youpi calc is better we will scale him and those who scale to 275 tons via being over 10 times stronger than the 27,5 tons characters
 
If we do that :
Meruem: 2,75 killotons
Youpi : at least 1,375 killoton , more than 10 times stronger than the 137,5 characters
Pitou: at least 1,375, 2,75 as a corpse
Netero (invasion) : 275 tons, 2,75 killotons with zero hand
Adult gon: at least 1,375 killotons,13,75 killotons with rock
Uvo: 275 tons, 2,75 killotons with ko
Those who used to scale to 27,5 tons and 275 tons with ko become 137,5 tons and 1,375 killotons with ko
Those who used to scale to 2,75 and 27,5 with ko become 13,75 tons with 137,5 tons with ko
Genthru gets: 13,75, 27,50 with little flower, 275 tons with death count
Base kurapika gets 91,67
 
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Theendzero13 said:
If we do that :
Meruem: at least 1,375 killoton
Youpi : at least 1,375 killoton , more than 10 times stronger than the 137,5 characters
Pitou: at least 137,5
Netero (invasion) : 275 tons
Adult gon: at least 1,375 killotons,13,75 killotons with rock
Uvo: 275 tons, 2,750 killotons with ko
Those who used to scale to 27,5 tons and 275 tons with ko become 137,5 tons and 1,375 killotons with ko
Those who used to scale to 2,75 and 27,5 with ko become 13,75 tons with 137,5 tons with ko
Genthru gets: 13,75, 27,50 with little flower, 275 tons with death count
Base kurapika gets 91,67 tons


Maybe we can scale adult gon, meruem,corpse pitou and zero hand to 2,750 killotons because they "surpass the human limits" thus likely making them above the ko strikes of people like uvo
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Actually we don't even need it netero scales above uvo and zero hand is above KO
 
Wait... Are we really going to not going to use a calc because of one's height? What kind of overreaction is that? The Anime models are not perfectly to scale, but their size is consistent throughout the show, it's the best option left...
 
We are not going to abandon the calculation. But first it is necessary to find some reliable reference

Can't we just give Meruem an average height that we use on the wiki? (1.72)
 
Sigh... Welp, whatever, I'm fine with using the world average. Meruem is not from Japan, btw, (in case someone suggests Japan's average) he is made out of several humans, the average should suffice.
 
Theendzero13 said:
I will be using databook stats as supporting evidence since those have little to no contradictions


God tiers:
Those are proxies until we find better feats for them

Meruem: 2,75 killotons, far above pitou and youpi, can overpower them with casual attacks, above zero hand

Youpi: 1,375 killotons, over 10 times the 137,5 tons characters

Pitou (base): 1,375 killotons stated to be the king top soldier by illumi and to have strenght second only to the king in side material

Adult gon: 2,75 killoton, easely defeated and overpowered base pitou with a nenless kick, pitou was afraid he would go after the king, his binding vow has several similarities to netero's zero hand binding vow and likely has similar power , 27,5 killotons with rock

Netero(invasion/regained groove/ post training): 275 tons, could not damage a royal guard like pitou but due to being an enhancer and having 5/5 stats for nen and body in the databooks he should be far above the likes of uvogin, 2,75 killotons with zero hand, damaged meruem, should be stronger than ko , as like ko it uses all of one's aura + life energy

(Puppet) pitou: 2,75 killotons far stronger than before, took many attacks from adult gon before being killed

High tiers:
- uvogin: 275 tons, performed a 55 tons feat while at 20% , chrollo though it was impossible to defeat him with raw power and is physically the strongest of the troupe, 2,75 killotons with big bang impact

-kurapika (with emperor time) : 137,5 tons matched uvo who was using 50% of his power, 1,375 killotons with ko

-chrollo: 137,5 tons hisoka is more interested in fighting him than fighting any other troupe member or kurapika , called the strongest member of the troupe in side material, has 4 and 4 stats for nen and body in the databooks while kurapika has 3 and 4

- hisoka: 137,5 tons physically stronger than chrollo

-zeno: 137,5 tons matched chrollo

- silva: 137,5 tons matched chrollo, one-shotted the squadron leader cheetu

- razor: 137,5 tons stronger than hisoka physically

-base Kurapika: 91,67 tons around 40% weaker than when emperor time is active 916,7 tons with ko

-Pouf: 137,5 tons the weakest royal guard, could not one-shot members of the invasion team like his collegues, homever as a royal and having
5/5 nen and body stats in the databooks he should be above the likes of hisoka and chrollo who only have 4/4 stats, stronger than morel,knov and pre-invasion netero

-Kite: 137,5 tons even with one arm gave small bruises to a newborn pitou who is called the strongest opponent gon and killua ever fought putting it(pitou) above razor,hisoka and chrollo, gave trouble to knuckle and shoot combined even as a reanimated corpse

CA Killua: 137,5 tons took little to no damage from ikalgo's bullets who can do heavy damage to royal guard trained squadron leaders like welfin who should be comparable to base zarzam, easely took down multiple jets and tanks while fatigued, brovada another squadron leader needed multiple attacks and strugled to take one tank down, one shotted rammot an officer ant, defeated leol's squad composed of 4+ officers and multiple peons without using his yo-yos and only briefily using his nen ability , despite the squad using strategy to gain an edge, has 4/4 databook stats, 1,375 killotons with ko

CA Gon : 137,5 tons comparable to killua, defeated 3 chimera officers despite getting multiple hits from them he did not suffer any serious damage at all and retaliated with one-shots, 1,375 killotons with rock

Morel: 137,5 tons comparable to killua, can beat squadron leaders without much trouble

Shoot: 137,5 tons comparable to killua

Knucke: 137,5 tons comparable to killua

Knov: 137,5 tons comparable to morel

Illumi: 137,5 tons comparable to hisoka and likely above killua

Phinks: 137,5 tons a little above feitan and comparable to hisoka, up to 1,375 killotons with ripper cycloton( thought he could beat zarzam )

Feitan: 137,5 tons pain packer ignores durability via heat, 1,375 killotons with ko

Zazam (base) : 137,5 tons matched feitan

Transformed zazam: 137,5, tons with at least 1,375 killotons in durability, tanked feitan ko attack but could not seriously harm him with multiple attacks

Machi: 137,5 tons comparable to nobunaga though that she could kill hisoka

Nobunaga: 137,5 tons comparable to machi, possibly stronger than phinks as killua was more scared of him than phinks and nobunaga though he could take phinks down

Franklin: 137,5 tons comparable to nobunaga, though he could kill hisoka

Shizuku: 0026 tons lost an arm wrestle to yorknew gon homever she was not using her dominant arm 137,5 tons with blink, conjurers can put can put more aura on their weapons than in their bodies one-shoted full power nobunaga with a surprise attack

Bonolenov : 137,5 tons comparable to nobunaga, 1,375 killotons with jupiter(though he could kill zarzam)

Netero( rusty, pre-invasion ) : 137,5 tons around half as strong as his prime, comparable to know and morel, and weaker than pouf

Mid tiers:

GI Gon: 13,75 tons his rock matched razor's full power, 137,5 tons with rock

GI: killua: 13,75 tons comparable to gon, 137,5 tons with ko

Rammot: 13,75 tons stronger than greedy island gon and killua

Genthru: 13,75 tons stronger than GI Gon, 27,50 tons with little flower ( the explosion uses twice as much aura as a punch ) ,
275 tons with countdown( 10 times stronger than little flower )


Low tiers:

Yorknew gon: 0,026 tons performed a feat on this level very early in greed island before getting any physical training

Yorknew killua: 0,026 tons comparable to gon

Pakunoda: 0,026 tons got damaged by yorknew gon and killua but still stronger than then

Kortopi: unknown, lacks physical feats

Shalnark: 0,026 tons comparable to pakunoda, was unsure on his ability to damage a peon chimera ant, far higher with autopilot one-shotted a peon chimera ant

Kalluto: 0,026 tons weaker than shalnark , but should be comparable to yorknew killua


So basically the scaling goes from 9-A from the fodders up to 7-C with gon's strongest attack, but the god tiers scaling is bound to change
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So that is how the currenty scaling looks like, thoughts ?
 
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