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not gonna hit him if that is how it shots the fire,
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Humanity's Greatest Tournament Semi-Finals Match 2: Gon Freecss VS Pyro (GRACE)
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koopa3144
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It's a gun, guns are Supersonic, reaction speed Speed here is equalized too Subsonic.
koopa3144
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Fair lol
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Not supporting either side yet, but is Gon's fishing rod flammable? Because that would suck if it is.
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this is the least of Pyro's problems in this match, but why did the battlefield have to be literally surrounding them in water, when Gon quite literally holds like a shit ton of advantages over pyro?
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I'm just gonna assume it isn't flammable. In that case the range game goes to Pyro's side.
koopa3144
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Now correct me if I'm wrong here but Knuckle Bine (the person who blitzed Gon) was High Hypersonic+ while Gon at the time was just High Hypersonic but Gon got passed the speed difference with his Analytical Prediction. Due to Speed being equal Gon is gonna have Pyro's reaction speed of Subsonic vs Pyro's guns which are Supersonic. This is a far higher difference than what Gon's Analytical Prediction has handled before this is not also accounting the fact the this is pre-nen Gon who is much less experienced than Post-Training Greed Island Arc/Start of Chimera Ant Arc Gon. So even if Gon could dodge around most of Pyro's flamethrowers, He's not gonna be able to dodge The Dragon's Fury which shoots a large ball of fire at Supersonic speeds (It also shoots faster on repeat hits). Speaking of Supersonic speeds, all of Pyros shotguns fire at this speed. Adding this to Pyros mobility, range, and experience advantages help fuel my belief the Pyro takes this more often than not.
FantaRin_The_First
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pop Am pretty sure that Gon's reaction speed is going to be left untouched in the same way that Pyro's weapons are going to be untouched even with speed equal in effect due to its weird rules regarding different types of speed.
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What is the AP gap?
Were forgetting something as well, Pyro's flamethrower isn't an instakill.
It is 100% in character for Gon to just close the distance and tank the flames in order to land hits on Pyro. And since there's water nearby I can see Gon noticing this and just face tanking pyro into the water.
And since Gon has the LS advantage he could just overpower Pyro in the water so he couldn't use his weapons'.
Gon can hold his breath for longer so he just wait for Pyro to suffocate.
Were forgetting something as well, Pyro's flamethrower isn't an instakill.
It is 100% in character for Gon to just close the distance and tank the flames in order to land hits on Pyro. And since there's water nearby I can see Gon noticing this and just face tanking pyro into the water.
And since Gon has the LS advantage he could just overpower Pyro in the water so he couldn't use his weapons'.
Gon can hold his breath for longer so he just wait for Pyro to suffocate.
Popted2
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Gon is 6.4 megajoules, while Pyro is 6.9 megajoules,
the difference is minuscule and Gon will even get stronger and adapt to Pyro
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Put me for Gon as well.
Like I said Gon could just tank Pyro's flamethrower to get in close and attack.
Unless pyro uses another gun (Which doesnt seem in character) I feel Gon has this
Like I said Gon could just tank Pyro's flamethrower to get in close and attack.
Unless pyro uses another gun (Which doesnt seem in character) I feel Gon has this
koopa3144
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Gon is not tanking Pyros flames. Pyros flames have been shown to turn people with comparable to him to bones very quickly. Also taking pyro underwater would cause them to either fly out with their jetpack or pull out one of their shotguns which do work underwater.
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After depleting all their HP, I assume? Gon's got crazy stamina and is willing to lose some limbs to win.
Also, I appreciate the chad move to refuse to elaborate how Pyro would escape Gon's grasp - which would stop him from doing either.
What's stopping Gon from using his superior skill to wrap his rod's line (which can take his LS) and just pull Pyro to him?
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He did that in meet the pyro, that feat has nothing to do with game mechanics.
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Question, do flames have a sort pseudo-durability ignoring effect if they don't have the fire/heat resistance towards it or nah? Am wondering since I thought it maybe can be used as a way to somewhat circumvent the small stat gap between Pyro and Gon (which will only exist at the start, but won't once Gon's AD/RE [am not sure which] kicks in and makes him superior to Pyro).
Granted, it still doesn't stop Gon from pulling Pyro in... since Pyro likely only has a baseline Class 5 LS rating and Gon has a superior Class 5 LS rating.
Granted, it still doesn't stop Gon from pulling Pyro in... since Pyro likely only has a baseline Class 5 LS rating and Gon has a superior Class 5 LS rating.
koopa3144
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Supersonic close range weapons + airblast means he's gonna have a hard time getting close without getting burnt, getting shot or being blasted away.
Pyro can burn the rods line easily before they even wrap around him.
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Doesn’t pyro have an oxygen tank?
koopa3144
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I'm pretty sure the tank on Pyro's back is not an oxygen tank.
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Pretty sure it is, since the fuel is located on his flame thrower. Though from what I’m seeing, nothing is really stopping Gon from just ripping it off Pyro if they get into the water
koopa3144
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We have no clue how deep this lake even is. I can't find exactly how high the Thermal Thruster can go but it should be able to fly Pyro out. But this is assuming that the lake isn't shallow and also assuming that Pyro doesn't just burn the rod with their fire breath.
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You think Gon is just gonna let him use his jet pack and do nothing?
Realistically Gon has a MASSIVE advantage due to it being night and it being close to water.
Zetsu plus enhanced senses basically make this an instakill for Gon
Only way I see Pyro winning is if Gon both doesn't rely on stealth and decides to rush in without a plan which is not in character for him.
Eventually Pyro will run out of ammo and from there on it's just a downhill battle.
Pyro could take this if he manages to hit with the flamethrower but once again there is water and Gon could just dodge in and out of range until his flamethrower is exhausted.
From there on analytical prediction allows Gon to get in close and overpower him with his superior LS
koopa3144
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Pyro has 6 flametrowers with 200 ammo, 3 shotguns with 32 ammo Carried, and 3 flare guns. I don't think ammo is gonna be an issue here. Also if Gon can just instakill with Zetsu how was he even allowed in the tournament.
You're forgetting the fact the Pyro has 3 shotguns with supersonic firing speed that they can use if Gon is not in flamethrower range.
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The Neon Anihillator is a thing too lol.
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It’s 8-C so pyro can’t use it
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That's dumb. I know it's because of the vaporization but it's physically weaker than some of the other melees. It should probably be changed because if the vaporization alone determines the AP, that means all the other melee attacks, and pretty much every class as a whole, is 8-C in base.
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According to the wiki Pyro's flamethrower consumes 12.5 ammo per second. Thets 16 second if he holds it.
That x6 is 96 seconds which is a little over 1.5 minutes. Ammo is absolutely a problem because Gon has fought for MULTIPLE DAYS before.
Eventually he's running out and then it just comes down to hand-to-hand which Pyro is hopelessly outmatched in.
Also yes stealth is allowed in this match and since they start not in each others line of site Gon has a massive advantage
Aim dodging and analytical prediction Neg that even at close range
koopa3144
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Once again Pyro has shotguns and flare guns and Pyro won't just go around wasting the flamethrower ammo.
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Knuckle was blitzing Gon to the point where he didn't even notice him moving behind him. A chapter later he was able to contend on even ground thanks to his Accelerated development and Analytical Prediction. So he went from being Blitzed to going toe to toe in 20-30 Minutes (The length of the fight in the manga).
Also you act like Pyro's hand is moving at supersonic, it's not it's subsonic same as Gons.
Even regular humans can aim dodge guns so there is no reason Gon shouldn't be able to. Pulling a shotgun out isn't exactly subtle so there's no way he's surprising Gon. Gon then could just see where he's pointing the Gun and aim dodge
Also you act like Pyro's hand is moving at supersonic, it's not it's subsonic same as Gons.
Even regular humans can aim dodge guns so there is no reason Gon shouldn't be able to. Pulling a shotgun out isn't exactly subtle so there's no way he's surprising Gon. Gon then could just see where he's pointing the Gun and aim dodge
koopa3144
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Pyro can switch to any of his weapons at any time, so they can go from holding a large flamethrower to a shotgun very quickly. The Panic Attack even pulls out 50% faster. Pyro can just pull one of his shotguns out of nowhere and shot at Gon before he can react or aim dodge.
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I think were going to have to agree to disagree.
Realistically IMO Gon takes this 6/10 without stealth and 9/10 with stealth
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Bump (when the hell is this thread gonna finish)
koopa3144
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I still think Pyro takes this more often than not. Even if Gon gets his sneak attack in he's not gonna take Pyro out in one hit. unless Gons hits send Pyro FLYING hes gonna be right next to Pyro, I shouldn't have to explain why this is bad for Gon. Also Gons not gonna be able to tie up Pyro due to their fire breath being able to burn the rod string. All that and Pyros mobility, range, and experience advantages have me keeping my vote for them.
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