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> he does react to stuff mid-flight IIRC
When?
> Hela catches Mjolnir
She was also tagged by Fodder Asgardians multiple times
> Iron Man dodges Ultron's beams which are as fast as Quicksilver
I remember Quicksilver outpacing all the beams. And Iron Man/Others have been consistently hit by slower projectiles
> Even Captain America could turn around and block Ultron's blast with the shield on his back.
That's an anti-feat for them, not a feat for MHS
When?
> Hela catches Mjolnir
She was also tagged by Fodder Asgardians multiple times
> Iron Man dodges Ultron's beams which are as fast as Quicksilver
I remember Quicksilver outpacing all the beams. And Iron Man/Others have been consistently hit by slower projectiles
> Even Captain America could turn around and block Ultron's blast with the shield on his back.
That's an anti-feat for them, not a feat for MHS
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Catching Mjoner being just thrown at point blank is aim dodging and she's massively faster then 7A Thor, that feat isn't impressive
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Well, to fly one must have equal reaction speeds or they'll crash, and Thor has kept up with people in combat who can land hits on him. One example of reacting while flying is when he blocked the Destroyer's beam while flying.
Seems more like that one is an outlier rather than catching Mjolnir. Hela fought an entire army without a scratch and blitzed the Warriors 3.
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It's not aim dodging as she did it after. Maybe Hela was expecting it, but we see her visibly move her hand.
Edit: Actually, I could be wrong on Hela's arm moving after repeated watches. I'm too tired to notice.
Seems more like that one is an outlier rather than catching Mjolnir. Hela fought an entire army without a scratch and blitzed the Warriors 3.
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It's not aim dodging as she did it after. Maybe Hela was expecting it, but we see her visibly move her hand.
Edit: Actually, I could be wrong on Hela's arm moving after repeated watches. I'm too tired to notice.
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> Well, to fly one must have equal reaction speeds or they'll crash, and Thor has kept up with people in combat who can land hits on him.
The only time when Thor fought something that attacked him when he was flying was the Fire Dragon. And in the scene Mjolnir was visibly struggling to break the sound barrier
> One example of reacting while flying is when he blocked the Destroyer's beam while flying.
He was hovering in place when he blocked the beams. That's not a speed feat for the Destroyer.
The only time when Thor fought something that attacked him when he was flying was the Fire Dragon. And in the scene Mjolnir was visibly struggling to break the sound barrier
> One example of reacting while flying is when he blocked the Destroyer's beam while flying.
He was hovering in place when he blocked the beams. That's not a speed feat for the Destroyer.
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Quicksilver did not outpace Ultron's beams, in fact the beam was even slightly faster than him:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lGV93jELzg&t=9s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lGV93jELzg&t=9s
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Then I'd call that a low end for Quicksilver rather than a speed feat for the beams.
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Not breaking the sound barrier is an outlier. Alright, I conceed there, but Thor still needs to react while flying, do you think Thor could grab Loki mid-flight if he could not? He also catches it upon the hammer's return.
It's not supposed to be a speed feat for the Destroyer, it was a reaction feat for Thor to show he can block stuff while flying. Anyway, I guess I remembered it wrong, he wasn't flying, and conceed there as well.
It's not supposed to be a speed feat for the Destroyer, it was a reaction feat for Thor to show he can block stuff while flying. Anyway, I guess I remembered it wrong, he wasn't flying, and conceed there as well.
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Quicksilver was jogging fairly quickly in dilated time identical to his MHS bullet-perceiving feat.Qawsedf234 said:
When it view it in real time, the beams seem to reach across the length of the truck nigh-instantaneously (to us). Even when I watched the video frame-by-frame it still seemed instantaneous.
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> do you think Thor could grab Loki mid-flight if he could not?
He's shown that he can aim when he charges. He just pointed towards Loki and rushed him. Also by having mach 42 combat speed his reaction speed is like 0.0000694 seconds. Its not like he's moving FTE to himself.
He's shown that he can aim when he charges. He just pointed towards Loki and rushed him. Also by having mach 42 combat speed his reaction speed is like 0.0000694 seconds. Its not like he's moving FTE to himself.
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It does not make sense for Thor's flight speed to be over a hundred times faster than his reactions at all.
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> Even when I watched the video frame-by-frame it still seemed instantaneous.
Crossing a truck in 1/60th of a second would still be garbage compared to MHS speed or even their current ratings. Let alone Quicksilver's speed
Crossing a truck in 1/60th of a second would still be garbage compared to MHS speed or even their current ratings. Let alone Quicksilver's speed
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Thor did not charge in, he was following the Quinjet from a random location and lands on it to stop without damage, showing he can track and suppress his speed in that time. Turns out I was wrong about Loki though, he didn't charge through and take him off. I'm not sure what you're talking about, I'm saying his flight is equal to his reactions.
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Crossing a truck in 1/60th of a second would still be garbage - except it crossed the truck in less than that. How much less, we don't know, but the film makers can't make it too fast or we can't see it.Qawsedf234 said:
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I'm saying he has far to many lower showing to suggest that he has MHS+ combat speed.
> Thor did not charge in, he took Loki off the Quinjet
Landing on the Quinjet doesn't even need to be that fast. MK4 Iron Man could replicate that. Its not like Thor goes 100% every single time he throws his hammer.
> Thor did not charge in, he took Loki off the Quinjet
Landing on the Quinjet doesn't even need to be that fast. MK4 Iron Man could replicate that. Its not like Thor goes 100% every single time he throws his hammer.
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>Its not like Thor goes 100% every single time he throws his hammer.
What about Mjolnir returning though. Kurse reacted to that.
What about Mjolnir returning though. Kurse reacted to that.
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> Crossing a truck in 1/60th of a second would still be garbage - except it crossed the truck in less than that.
It could be 1/600th of a second and still be worse than their current speed ratings.
It could be 1/600th of a second and still be worse than their current speed ratings.
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Thor is also fodder to KurseSpinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
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It could be 1/600, 1/6000, but the film makers have to let us see the beam.Qawsedf234 said:
Just like even when Iron Man is flying at supersonic speeds we can see him.
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Thor is also fodder to Kurse
AP wise only.
AP wise only.
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> What about Mjolnir returning though. Kurse reacted to that.
An outlier. Like the times Batman has reacted to or outpaced Superman-level entities. That or Mjolnir just doesn't go it's top speed every single time it launches and returns.
An outlier. Like the times Batman has reacted to or outpaced Superman-level entities. That or Mjolnir just doesn't go it's top speed every single time it launches and returns.
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Thor is also fodder to Kurse
AP wise only.
Thor isn't scaling to someone that stomps him because "AP Wise only"
I mean come on, do you honestly think differs should scale to god Tiers because "It's just AP only?"
AP wise only.
Thor isn't scaling to someone that stomps him because "AP Wise only"
I mean come on, do you honestly think differs should scale to god Tiers because "It's just AP only?"
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> It could be 1/600, 1/6000, but the film makers have to let us see the beam.
Meaning it has no set speed. Thereby making it unusable. Its only notably fast if you make a ton of assumptions about its speed that have no basis.
Meaning it has no set speed. Thereby making it unusable. Its only notably fast if you make a ton of assumptions about its speed that have no basis.
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Why would this be an outlier? Kurse pretty clearly had the advantage over Thor in both speed and strength, he even catches him while flying, blocks all of his punches, and attacks back easily. Also, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't hold back against Kurse, a total powerhouse with strength much higher than his own.
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Therefore it cannot be used as an anti-feat for Ultron's beam. There is no reason to assume that the beam was far slower when Ultron fired it at Cap than in the Quicksilver-time scene.Qawsedf234 said:
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Thor was losing against Kurse though. Why wouldn't he use his top speed.Qawsedf234 said:
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Because Thor and other Asgardians can keep up with Kursed soldiers both in the movie and in flashbacks. Them being MHS+ doesn't make sense considering that
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> There is no reason to assume that the beam was far slower when Ultron fired it at Cap than in the Quicksilver-time scene.
Except that Cap blocked it despite being frozen in comparison in the Quicksilver scene. Having varable speed means its hard to scale from it without a refrence.
> Why wouldn't he use his top speed.
Because Thor is dumb in-character
Except that Cap blocked it despite being frozen in comparison in the Quicksilver scene. Having varable speed means its hard to scale from it without a refrence.
> Why wouldn't he use his top speed.
Because Thor is dumb in-character
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Algrim isn't just some fodder soldier, he's Malekith's lieutenant. If we do use logic from the comics, which I think everyone, including myself, disagrees with, then he's far stronger than an average one by a long shot.
Thor may be dumb, but he's not that stupid when it comes to combat. This guy surpasses everyone of his physicals, there's no reason to hold back, and actually goes against his strategy at that moment.
Thor may be dumb, but he's not that stupid when it comes to combat. This guy surpasses everyone of his physicals, there's no reason to hold back, and actually goes against his strategy at that moment.
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In the paat other Asgardians fought and killed Kursed soldiers and in the fight itself Thor could react to attacks from Kurse. Why assume that Kurse is fast instead of him being comparable but much strongerByAsura said:
> Thor may be dumb, but he's not that stupid when it comes to combat
You mean like the time where he just stood there as Hulk was getting up instead of dropping the hammer and moving back?
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I changed it btw, it was actually lieutenant.
So they were challenged by them? How many Asgardians, they have weapons, strategies, numbers, Bor, etc. He easily reacted Thor and hit him, they showed this in fight. And this is still assuming that Algrim, the one who became Kurse, is just as strong as a fodder Dark Elf. He even breaks down Asgardian forcefields in the prison.
An act never replicated in any movie.
So they were challenged by them? How many Asgardians, they have weapons, strategies, numbers, Bor, etc. He easily reacted Thor and hit him, they showed this in fight. And this is still assuming that Algrim, the one who became Kurse, is just as strong as a fodder Dark Elf. He even breaks down Asgardian forcefields in the prison.
An act never replicated in any movie.
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> He blitzed Thor, they showed this in fight.
Overwhelming someone isn't a speed blitz per the the page
> Speed Blitz is the act of one attacking their opponent before they are capable of perceiving or reacting to them. Blitzing is different than outpacing, where a character is simply faster than the other. A blitz is more like an all around outclassing in speed.
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> And this is still assuming that Algrim, the one who became Kurse, is just as strong as a fodder Dark Elf.
He has nothing but a meaningless title that suggests he's stronger or weaker than the average elf.
Overwhelming someone isn't a speed blitz per the the page
> Speed Blitz is the act of one attacking their opponent before they are capable of perceiving or reacting to them. Blitzing is different than outpacing, where a character is simply faster than the other. A blitz is more like an all around outclassing in speed.
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> And this is still assuming that Algrim, the one who became Kurse, is just as strong as a fodder Dark Elf.
He has nothing but a meaningless title that suggests he's stronger or weaker than the average elf.
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I changed the word blitz before you made this. I agree that it was inaccurate.
And there's literally nothing to suggest that he's as weak either, or that the Kurse stone was just much more powerful.
Anyway, reacting to Thor makes that an anti-feat. Kurse doesn't have anything actually contradicting this aside from Asgardian soldiers killing other Kurse warriors through unknown means.
Edit: It actually appears that they were blitzed, not the Kurse Soldiers, until the former used numbers.
And there's literally nothing to suggest that he's as weak either, or that the Kurse stone was just much more powerful.
Anyway, reacting to Thor makes that an anti-feat. Kurse doesn't have anything actually contradicting this aside from Asgardian soldiers killing other Kurse warriors through unknown means.
Edit: It actually appears that they were blitzed, not the Kurse Soldiers, until the former used numbers.
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In the paat other Asgardians fought and killed Kursed soldiers and in the fight itself Thor could react to attacks from Kurse. Why assume that Kurse is fast instead of him being comparable but much stronger
> Thor may be dumb, but he's not that stupid when it comes to combat
You mean like the time where he just stood there as Hulk was getting up instead of dropping the hammer and moving back?
Dropping the hammer won't work, I explained in another thread. Either that or PIS.
> Thor may be dumb, but he's not that stupid when it comes to combat
You mean like the time where he just stood there as Hulk was getting up instead of dropping the hammer and moving back?
Dropping the hammer won't work, I explained in another thread. Either that or PIS.
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Kurse deserves his current speed rating, I just don't think that's enough to justify scaling to Mjolnir's flight speed. If he blitzed Thor like how Quicksilver blitzed Captain America I'd be all for a speed upgrade, but he didn't.
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Kurse isn't overwhelmingly faster than Thor, so they should all scale to Mjolnir, or Spider-Man if accepted.
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I think their current speed ratings are fine. Scaling everyone up to MHS+ or Sub-Rel+ seems extreme and has little backing imo.Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
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